The Pickl that kilt the MDP - Deputy Speaker Spanked - Lingerie
crisfire
(poor poor photoshop skilz)
eRepublik is a game where leaders emerge and change the game with their idea’s, enthusiasm and ability to attract followers that believe in what they are selling. Ive always been a follower of these types of people and eCanada has always or usually had a couple of them floating around willing to stick their necks out with platforms regardless of the possibility of it being ridiculed, laughed at or dismissed and sometimes that happened but more often then not they became hailed as some of eCanada’s greats.
Addy Lawrence, Tyler F Durden, Rylde and Funky24 are but a small sample of these types that with their determination and zeal got me to change political party’s and march to their beating drum, follow them and work for them but when their drum fades due to exhaustion, burn out and in some cases death and sickness the party either finds a new voice or the party fades.
I recently changed my party to the CPF from the MDP because the MDP has been politically taken over by a lethargic group of people that work under the attitude of
“I'm the most inactive member of MDP. I'm not involved with party politics. I assumed that the purpose of the party was to elect the people we want in Congress and to CP so that we could be dick-taters.”- CP candidate Thedillpickl
MDP Party President Jason Welsh hasn’t written an article since day 2348 or even mentioned he was proclaiming himself Dictator for another term the last 2 terms he has been Party President which is the way the MDP picks its PP’s.
I also knew my chances of getting a congress seat were slim after being a wee bit critical of it
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In a dark corner of my mind I always admired Rolo for taking over party’s that became bored and relied on the sheep to keep electing the shepards come election time. Ive always felt that a party that reached a top 5 spot has to not only keep it but deserve to keep it and the MDP in its current form does not deserve that, it needs a voice and a leader that will not only keep it going but will compete with the other top 5 party’s and make them even better. I admire a great many people within the MDP (including Thedillpickl) and hope that one of them becomes the next leader that inspires others to become a more productive and engaged eCanadain. I remember the things PP’s did and stood for a lot more then any CP.
but thats just me
Please Explain Your Actions mr. deputy speaker https://ecanada.cc/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=48887
Ive recently been spanked https://ecanada.cc/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=48888 by the Speaker for what some consider to be perhaps “a misuse/unethical use of power to me”-Congressmen Johnny Cache
I was hoping the Speaker would back me up but alas that wasn’t the case, I’ve been regulated to open and close votes after the appropriate time requirements have passed and/or initiate his removal should he be abducted by aliens for longer then 72 hours. I knew I was a more proactive Deputy Speaker then perhaps some have been in the past but there are precedents where a Speaker will say have at it in his absence from the forums due to life or work schedules so I wasn’t totally off base. Instead three’ish loud mouth newb Congress people who totally don’t understand written down procedures got me spanked and put in the corner. Everyone else either agrees with the results, don’t care or secretly hate me, I haz a sad.
Articles 3 and 4 of The Congressional Rules of Order, this is the part youve all been waiting for!
Article III: Debates
1. The Speaker or Deputy has the duty to alert any non-Congress Member whose participation in a discussion in Open or Closed doors or in-game article has been identified as required.
2. In game proposals - Any congressman wishing to put forward an in game proposal must post their reasons either on the forums or in an article in game and allow 24hrs for discussion before proceeding with the proposal in game. The only exception being pre approved proposals such as funding transfers from an approved budget. If posted in game it is the duty of the poster to alert congress.
3. Forum proposals - Any congressman wishing to make a proposal that can not be made in game must post it in ODC or CDC, depending on the nature of the proposal. There must be a minimum 24hrs debate before the speaker may move the proposal to a vote. The Speaker may choose to extend the length of a debate but may not shorten it.
4. During a debate any member of Congress may make a motion to amend the measure being debated. The proposal originator may choose to enact the amendment or disregard it. The originator has the final say on the wording and layout of the proposal to be voted on.
5. Motions of non-confidence leading to an in-game Presidential impeachment may bypass the 24 hour debate time if the current President has taken control of the government or military for nefarious purposes. All other motions of non-confidence must be discussed for a period of no less than 24 hours.
Article IV: Voting
1. It is the Speaker’s duty to set the length and ratification requirements for a vote taking place on the forums. Votes must run for a minimum 24hrs and require a quorum of 40% of congress as determined by the appropriate forum user-group to be valid, the exception being an impeachment vote, which must be a minimum 48hrs and requires a 50% quorum of Congress members as determined by the appropriate forum user-group. The speaker may extend any vote by 24hrs for a maximum of two times. If, at the end of that time, a clear result is not achieved then the vote is declared to have failed.
2. Unless the speaker gives another option, Members of Congress may only choose to voice an affirmative or negative vote or to abstain. The Speaker must declare what will be accepted as a valid response when presenting the vote. A Member may change their vote until the conclusion of the vote by explicitly stating the change. At the conclusion of the vote the Speaker must tally all votes and announce the results in the voting thread.
3. In order for a vote to be considered valid the Speaker must open a polling thread where Members may register their votes either by replying in the thread or by using the forum polling option. Unless otherwise stated, all votes require a minimum quorum of 40% of congressmen as shown by the forum user group with a simple majority of votes cast to pass.
Boring, imperfect but kinda clear.
I was blamed for locking a tax proposal/debate while a tax proposal/debate was already in progress….but but crisfire I don’t agree with that proposal so I started my own.
See article III number 4
During a debate any member of Congress may make a motion to amend the measure being debated
Why in the heck would we need multiple proposals going on at the same time for the same thing when ANY MEMBER OF CONGRESS CAN MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE MEASURE BEING DEBATED. We don’t, it confuses things and people don’t want to read multiple threads about the same thing so they don’t and democracy fails.
I was blamed for locking the tax proposal by Lance Luckey immediately after he agreed to an Amendment proposed by me and taking it to a vote and bypassing I guess an additional 24 hours of debate. There was about 9ish hours between the time the Amendment was accepted to the time I locked the thread and started the vote. Also would anyones argument or preferred tax rate of changed after Lance agreed to the amendment, would anyone have changed there stance on the whole issue because of the amendment…don’t think so, but convince me otherwise in the comment section or in the eCan forums.
This is where I would point to a part in the CRoO that tells us that we have to add time after an Amendment, it doesn’t so I cant
On the 27th of May a discussion thread was started to discuss tax’s, their has been a few articles outlining what increasing tax’s will bring by almost each point. There was a Proposal that lasted 24+ hours debating a 3% increase across the board where almost everyone disagreed but got the chance to repeat their preferred tax rate, usually not why but there it is. Lance Lucky amended his proposal after I asked him to to 3% work tax only, it seemed like a good compromise between those that want 5 and higher to those who want 1 or 2 points added. Either way There must be a minimum 24hrs debate before the speaker may move the proposal to a vote. The Speaker may choose to extend the length of a debate but may not shorten it. Im covered there it seems.
Johnny Cache then goes on to say “I want to add here for the record as well, that it further adds suspicion that crisfire apparently is now PMing people saying "Vote to raise the WT to 3%". I demand explanations mr. deputy speaker.”
Your demand is my wish
I sent out a Congressional group PM to all congressmen on the eCan forums
Vote to raise the WT to 3%
viewtopic.php?f=66&t=48886
Thank you
There it is.
It has been the prerogative of some Speakers to notify congressmen that a vote is being held so that should a vote pass or fail it wont fail because of lack of particiapation. That’s all I was doing, didn’t say Vote yes or didn’t say vote no. I would never use what little authority a deputy Speaker has or abuse what little authority the Speaker gives a deputy to influence a vote one way or another. To be honest Ive said id like to see the WT at 5% but I could really give 2 shits. Id like to pay for some MPP’s but have very little interest in building up some sort of war chest, didn’t work out to well for the US. Rather see money go back to people to invest in companies or food and weapon programs
In closing Im disappointed in the Speakers decision, Im disappointed that people used my enthusiasm and prerogative to follow the CRoO to try and derail a compromise vote because they didn’t get it there way when realistically we are never going to all agree on something
And most importantly the vote for a 3% increase looks like it will pass in spite of everything \o/
....of course it has to pass an ingame vote now
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I've only been gone for a few days and eCanada goes to shit....
(PS - This is why Noobs are only good for selling their votes and voting as they are told)
ala, the good old days of The Norsefire Empire.....
Oh Rolo. Calm down. Things are all under control.
Yes because somebody who disagrees with you has to clearly be a noob. No chance of equality or superiority, follow the alpha code.
You should try more not to sound like a lunatic. Just a suggestion.
Cris: I'm sorry you felt I "spanked" you.
I apologize, now, for not being clearer with you as to my expectations of a deputy. Those expectations, though I had not verbalized them, are what I have limited you to now. That was all I expected of you, but alas, I did not tell you that.
Further, your defense of the Congressional Rules of Order was brilliant. The ability of a motion to be amended (subject only to the original proposer's consent) was right on. Although it has not been my practice, it has been the practice of other Speakers to PM the entire Congress group on the Forums (or in game) about a motion which had been taken to a vote. Again, you did nothing wrong.
Taking a motion that had been amended (Work Tax from 5% to 3😵 was perfectly fine. The subject matter never changed - the discussion was strictly about the WT which Lance Lucky had begun, and had run for the minimum 24 hours. The fact that it had been amended, in my opinion, as in yours, apparently, changed nothing.
In other matters, you did things which I would not have, but I do not believe you have contradicted the CRoO in any way.
if I get to keep the badge and hat all is forgiven
except Johny and Carter, ill never ever ever forgive those two 😉
You forgot to mention me.
How about you actually calm down. It was a polite request for information however you act like it was a personal attack against you. Still laughing at calling me a noob, haven't heard that one in a while lol.
i am calm
I don't want you to forgive me. You have proven yourself to be exactly the type of person I don't want to associate with (an arrogant and unintelligent jerk). Take care and good riddance.
that hurts on the inside
Sorry to disagree but the discussion is all over the place. The discussion was amended minutes prior to a vote being called for and started. The CRoO defense may be "brilliant" but if it is used to dictate how the vote goes it is twisted.
Amendment accepted -Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:14 am
Topic locked and vote started -Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:49 am
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Crisfire, you should always use your safe word when playing spanking games with Jonathan. Who among us has not learned that the hard way?
Exalted Druid, no more games for you!
lol
@crisfire, Moving to your party after the election. Don't worry, I won't do anything while there. I have my reasons but you are to superior to bother with understanding why.
@Everyone else, I learned a long time ago that I tend to destroy more when working in a party than what I build. Ask Joseph Dinero and Emperor Rick.
As for the rest of the article, I won't even bother. Bro is butthurt 'cause he didn't get to boss people around when JE got back. boo hoo
Congress is back baby ! lol
Dilly4MDPPPPPPPP
Would someone spank me already??
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Why didn't you just launch a coup in MDP crisfire?
It's like...the Job of Party Members
im a follower not a leader
oh. WELL THEN, you shouldn't have told someone who could do it to do it 😛
What convenient timing for me to return.
My god, you recreate yourself faster than anyone xD
Sounds like Congress is business as usual!
Exactly, I do not understand why he's so mad.
im not mad
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Crisfire butthurt because people asked him a question (and did it actually politely, which cannot be said about his answer). Totally seems like a very PROFESSIONAL congressman with more than 20 terms of tenure.
I like how you skip over certain parts just like certain parts of the CRoO
there were a few accusations and questioning of my integrity
Voted for the lingerie
somewhat confusing
basic issue: +/-2%
...i think
I want to spank Crisfire!
This is an INJUSTICE! I see the glove is back firmly on the hand of CPF, being wielded by it's demented minions...
No safe word for you.
away from me demented minion! AWAY!
Ah, politics, it's you.
It's been awhile.
I've missed you, you crazy bastard
You want to know where you lost following your own logic? Right here:
"2. In game proposals - Any congressman wishing to put forward an in game proposal must post their reasons either on the forums or in an article in game and allow 24hrs for discussion before proceeding with the proposal in game."
Pickle wanted to propose something in game so he posted, and you locked it and told him to go away.
He was following the rules, and you decided to change them on him.
If you want to complain about other people not following the CRoO you should do so yourself.
Felt a multiple proposal for a tax change was "attempts to obstruct the business of Congress with frivolous amendments or motions to appeal."
Technically its a frivolous admendment being in a different place then the original tax proposal which as I pointed out to you could be amended properly by anyone in Congress
At the time it was my call and a call that could of been overturned by anyone as well if they bothered to read that part of the CRoO as well
Didnt tell him to "go away either" I explained that anyone in Congress can make a motion to amend any proposal within the proposal.
Thats the procedure, not multiple proposals for the same thing in different threads. He proposes 5% well guess what I dont like 5% so im gonna start my own proposal for 7%, you dont like 7% so you start one for 4%
Its silly, theres a clear procedure for amending something if you dont like it, its debate make a motion to amend and see if it flys.
There's actually a lot of pretty strong precedents for competing proposals that result in "Option A or "Option B" votes on the forum when there's two proposals that overlap.
Given the length of the tax debate before either proposal, and the lack of logic or forethought put into the first proposal, both proposals should have been allowed to run their course. They were different enough that if a person had an opinion it would have been simple to choose between the two.
I've pretty much tried to stay out of this, however...
The problem arose when, on the original proposal I was told, directly or indirectly, that my Idea to ONLY CHANGE WT AND LEAVE VAT & IMPORT TAX ALONE was out of the question. The majority of posters, including Lucky wanted the proposal to change all three. I felt this was an error and that people were no giving due consideration to what they were doing.
Then someone suggested that I start my own proposal, so I did. I laid out clearly what the difference between the proposals were. They were both about changing tax rate BUT THAT'S WHERE THE SIMILARITY ENDED.
Oddly enough the original proposal was amended at the last hour to reflect pretty much what I was asking to be considered in the first place, changing WT only. Difference being 3% compared to 5%. So all the bickering for over a week was for nothing
So all this posturing and dicking around was for naught. Hence what I said on the forum, when people want to talk like adults I'll be back.
read the part of the CRoO that states what to do if you disagree with a call by the speaker or his subordinate
the option was always there to make a motion to overturn the decision
"Oddly enough the original proposal was amended at the last hour to reflect pretty much what I was asking to be considered in the first place, changing WT only. Difference being 3% compared to 5%. So all the bickering for over a week was for nothing"
wasnt the last hour as ive already showed the time punch of the amendment being accepted to the vote, its a little over 8 hours, the entire debate time to the vote was over 30
so the process worked \o/
I say sir why do you display those pictures of my daughters to the bottom of your article?
You need a TL/DR at the top so I can read it, skip all the crap in the middle, and enjoy the pics at the bottom.
wow you really are an asshat
does this mean we wont be buying a bicycle built for two