Libertarian Party President Election Timeline
Claire Littleton
Me, after yesterday’s events...
After commenting all day yesterday on each of Sam’s 9 articles, the eUS forums, countless PMs and IRC for nearly 14 hours... I have come to realize that I’m seeing the same questions and concerns from people today that I did yesterday despite my non-stop efforts of trying to explain why Sam was considered a “threat” to the Libertarian Party and the nation. What it comes down to is that most people don’t understand the time in which these events went down, so I have decided to lay it out for you. I want to state that some of the timeline is going to be rather broad because I don’t know the exact times that his articles and edits were published because when I go back to each of his 9 articles, they all say “Yesterday” and don’t list how many hours ago like they sometimes do. I will guarantee you, however, that my estimates are pretty close and in the scope of things, the exact times aren’t 100% necessary to explain how it all went down.
Let’s being, shall we?
Tuesday, January 11th
Evening - It was a beautiful day and SamWystan was coming into work as one of the parties “elites*” into the Libertarian Leadership Channel to go about his duties of talking about nothing (what we mostly do in there) and talking about his leadership among the Party’s Militia, A.L.A.R.M. Everything is fine.
* The word “elites” here was used to irony that Sam had been a part of the leadership he so denounced in all his articles.
Wednesday, January 12th
Afternoon - I had noticed that Sam had signed up for the Libertarian Party Presidency. I also noticed that Jamarcus had as well. Neither of which had ever said a word or made it known they were interested, including Sam who was in our chatroom everyday. I talked with Party President Iasov and we were concerned with the potential PTO in the Federalist Party as well as the rumors of a Serbian running in the USWP for Party Presidents. I asked Iasov if he thinks if we should ask Sam and Jammy if they would be willing to pull out of the race so that we could send all our voters to those parties if they need aide (as we had done last month, when no one ran against Iasov, with SEES and saved their party). We both concurred that I would ask them.
Evening - I had PMed Sam and Jammy and asked them, not demanded them, if they would consider backing out of the race for ATO efforts in other parties. Jammy wrote back saying that he agreed it would be more beneficial. Sam had not written back, but had removed himself from the ticket with no issues or concerns. All was well in the Libertarian Party.
Thursday, January 13th
Evening - It was a typical evening and I was out enjoying my RL. Croy was in the Libertarian Chat doing his thing as Sam came into the room stating that he is concerned with his role in the overall scheme of things in the Libertarian Party. They had a conversation and it ended with Croy promoting Sam to Chief of Staff within the the Party. Sam and Croy had seemed to resolve any issues and all was well.
Late Evening - I had logged onto the chats and within thirty minutes I was directed to this article published by Sam: So Long and Thanks for All the Fish!. Inside the article, Sam had stated that he has come to the realization that he is sick of this “bad” game and it has driven him to quit. He went on to state that Croy, Iasov and I are “elitists” and fools. I was rather taken aback by this revelation. Also, at the bottom of the article, he stated his intent to once again place himself on the ballot for Libertarian PP. Note: Where Sam notes ”[REDACTED DUE TO CHANGED CIRCUMSTANCES]” in this article, it once stated his intent to run for PP and regardless if he won or lost, he was quitting the game. He would let the Libertarian PP spot just sit there leaving anyone who wanted to run for Congress to run. This greatly concerned the Party Leadership as it would allow threats to run for Congress.** The Leadership discussed this and had decided to try to talk Sam out of quitting.
** For those of you who don’t know what it is the PP does, he selects the final candidates in each state for Congress. This is important for him to do as he can dis-select any threats who would potentially win and therefore give citizenship to foreign enemies, who could then run the next month... eventually leading to our government being taken over.
Friday, January 14th
Evening - Sam had logged onto the chat. We spoke about his article and he had admitted that what he said about Croy and I being fools wasn’t fair. He also stated that he intended to win the Party Presidency and do absolutely nothing as PP if he were to win. He stated that he would turn the party on it’s head. This, to the Leadership, was enough of a threat as it would in essence destroy the party.
Late Evening - The Libertarian Leadership got together to discuss the Sam situation further as he had no intent of reconsidering his quitting of the game. Because of this, we figured out that we would write an article or Mass Message the entire Party on election day and ask them to not vote for Sam as it would lead to the end of our party (because he was still quitting).
Saturday, January 15th (ELECTIONI DAY)
Morning - Rod Damon, Director of the Federal Election Commission, read Sam Wystan’s article regarding him running for the PP of a Top 5 Party to only quit (Remember, at this point, Sam was still quitting even if he won). Rod determined that this is not in the best interest of the nation due to the threat it poses to the upcoming Congressional elections. In turn, Rod wrote FEC January Party Elections, Possible PTO Threat. Notice he never called it a PTO threat, it was only a “possible PTO threat.” Because of Sam’s intent to quit, the motion had been put forth by the FEC to protect the nation, as it is their job.
Noon - Croy wrote the above mentioned PM to the entire party where he states that Sam is a threat. (Sam is still quitting at this point) In the PM, Croy stated that ”Iasov is the official candidate of the Libertarian Party.” Considering that the election consisted of only Sam and Iasov, technically Iasov was the only “official” candidates because Sam was still considered a threat at this point. Many people mistook that as the Libertarians holding a primary where we elected Iasov as the official candidate or the leadership had chosen him. In reality, Croy just used poor wording, but not inaccurate wording since Iasov was the only non-threat candidate at the time.
Afternoon - Sam publishes his first article of the day, They Fear Me. In which he copies Croy’s MM and continues to call the party foolish. Almost shortly after that he publishes Election Day. Not long after that, he publishes his 3rd article of the day, I Have Not Yet Begun To Fight. That article is believed to be published with 14 hours to go until the end of the Election Day. Notice that in this article, he claims he is, in fact, a PTO... though satirical... sort of.
Update: Sam MMed the entire party, minus the leadership, telling them he is no longer quitting if he wins. The Leadership didn't know about this as he left them out of the loop (still can't fathom why) and didn't know about this until he posted that he did it in the comments below (the day after elections).
The USWP and the UIP pledge support to the Libertarian Party to avert Sam’s threat.
Late Afternoon - 4th article by Sam is publishe
😛A Coming Announcement. In this article, he seems to change his tone and hints that he no longer will be quitting if he wins the election. He also notes that this is when he changed his very first article that he posted 1.5 days earlier to no longer state he will quit the game if he wins. Also note that it is now past the ½ day marker on election day. Again, With less than 12 hours left in the election, Sam finally states he won’t quit the game if he wins the election.
Early Evening - Sam’s supporters are getting rabble-roused thinking that Sam had been unfairly ignored and called a PTO threat by the Libertarian Party, so I write an article: I Am Disappoint. In it, I attempt to explain the day’s events so everyone understands why we took the actions we did.
Evening - Sam publishes more articles. The Federalists decide to help in voting.
Late Evening - We find out that SEES has been sending Sam voters despite other parties sending them voters to avoid the Imperialist take-overs. Iasov takes the lead.
Night - Sam publishes a few more articles. Things start to die down. Sam gets on IRC and revels at how “awesome” this election cycle has been. Croy and I disagree with the opinions of Sam and the others and call it all a headache. Sam has a conversation with HobbitTon where he basically called the entire day’s events his version of a “Rage-Quit.” Since it is against eRep policy to publish private conversations, feel free to PM me for the link that HobbitTon had provided me with to prove Sam was up to no good.
Reset - Iasov wins. Sam states he is quitting the game. I PM him apologizing how things went down and Sam agreed that it wasn’t the most opportune, but it was fun and got people thinking. I agreed. I asked him to stay one more time and he said he is finished.
The End
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😉R Version
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1) Rod declared Sam a threat after Sam’s article about him leaving the party for dead had been up for 1.5 days.
2) Croy sent the entire party a PM stating that Sam was a threat hours before Sam changed his mind and decided to actually run the party if he won.
3) The Libertarians and the FEC did what they had to do to avert a problem situation come Congressional Elections.
4) Just because Sam changed his mind with less that 12 hours left in the election day doesn’t mean we should have retracted everything that had been done and said.
That would be like a candidate running for PotUS saying he won’t lead the country if he wins and then changing his mind ½ the way through elections. That doesn’t sound like a very promising candidate, does it?
In Conclusion
I regret the entire day and Sam and I agreed that if he would have run a normal campaign and had no intent of quitting prior to the election, then there would have been no issues yesterday what so ever. You can find that statement in the comments of this article: A Coming Announcement.
~Claire Littleton
Comments
One problem with your timeline. I decided to not quit if I won evening of Friday, January 14th after chatting with you. Admittedly, I probably should have publicized the point.
Also, I guessed that HobbitTon was going to record that conversation. See folks, even HobbitTon isn't trustworthy.
This is exactly how it went down. I hope people will read this article and cease being misinformed. Thanks Claire.
*goes back to working on PP article*
Good read, informative. I hope this gets it into everyone's head why things went down the way it did.
@sam: yeah, if you didn't publicize it, it doesn't change anything.
Iasov, I wouldn't say this is "exactly" how it went down. This is how you and Claire and folks saw it go down. I saw it another way completely.
@SamWystan
When I sent my MM at a bit before reset, I had no knowledge that you weren't going to quit. You can understand why I sent the MM.
@ Sam: Yeah, if you had published that point &/or let anyone know... at all.... then this whole thing would have not been an issue. At all.
Voted, but no mention of me! Booo!
Sam, you apparently saw it as you decided to not quit and figured we would know that telepathically.
So... there's that.
I thought Sam quit... What is he doing here... Although if he's back this is a good thing
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Here's what I believe happene😛
I got the mass-message from Iasov (I guess CRoy sent it through Iasov?) I was like, "damn." So then I personally messaged the party, skipping those I knew were supporters of the leadership (i.e., Iasov, Claire, CRoy, Marxus, s0beit, etc.) saying that the idea of me quitting was a lie, and that I'd stay to build the party if I won. I'm sure people can find that message for you. It was sent rollover on the 14th-15th period.
I'm sorry if I didn't realize I had to publicly tell the other parties about my plans for what I thought was a Libertarian Party election. Remember that folks. Apparently, running for President of your party involves notifying other parties as well.
Man you guys are hardcore 😃
@SamWystan
I sent the MM myself. That's why it was formatted improperly. It was my first time MM'ing EVER.
And yes, someone sent it to me.
No one is saying you needed to publicly tell the party your plans.
You just need to publicly state your intention to run AND be active in the role of PP. That is all.
Anyway, are you staying or going? If you're staying, I still welcome you. If you're going... So Long and Thanks for all the Fish.
"We Apologise for the Inconvenience."
(I started reading H2G2 again today. Gonna read the whole series again.)
(Also, logging off now to focus on article. Later.)
SamWystan: No, but if you would have contacted the leadership with your message stating that you had no intent to quit anymore, then you could have avoided just about everything that happened yesterday.
Why would you PM everyone EXCEPT those who have been so publicly telling everyone you intended to quit? That makes absolutely no sense to me what-so-ever. It's not our fault, in the slightest, that we continued to call you a threat when you didn't inform us of your intent to no longer be a threat.
Because at that point we had only messaged the party. I didn't want to tip my hand to you any more than I had to. I assumed you would've followed up with a retaliatory message immediately if I'd sent it to you folks, probably telling a lie or two. So I attempted to not make your jobs easier for you.
Anyhow, I'll be gone when I stop reading my name on the forums and in the Media.
Well, I know you will believe and say what you want regarding us "making up lies" so there is no point in going into that. You can state that we lied about everything and your followers would believe you. I wrote this to clear up how things went down. There are no lies in the time-line. The time-line is factual. Rod and the Libs decided you were a threat before you MMed the party & changed your article no matter how you look at it.
Claire, I don't think this is going to save you from the people messaging you, if that was the intention. I think your timeline is biased, but if I wrote one, it would be too.
If I want to continue "rabble-rousing" as Michael Porter put it, I could say "the Libs being you?" and that clearly Rod and y'all didn't get your facts straight before you decided I was a PTO threat.
Or we could end all this squabbling and say there isn't going to be an agreed-upon sequence of events for the last couple of days.
You could say that Rod and I had our facts wrong, but we didn't... which is a fact. You didn't tell anyone that you had changed your intent to not quit (including in your article series of the day) until late in the day or in your MM to the party which was after everything had already been done. And even when you did that, you didn't inform the people who were against you.
And come to think of it, the fact you didn't send a PM to any of the leadership makes me think you planned it that way to keep us out of the loop. By not informing us, you made us look like we were still out to get you despite you changing your mind (because we didn't know you changed your mind). That in turn made us look like total bad-guys because your supporters probably assumed we were informed of your change of heart. Well played, dirty, but well played.
Wait. Is there no impeach function for PP? If there is not then I kinda understand being afraid of Sam doing a win & bail. But if there is an impeach, then whats the big deal? If he didn't show up for work, we kick him out. Done and done. But the idea having "official" candidates in a PP is absurd. sadly the party mechanic in this game sucks. You should have to be registered to a party for 3 months before you can run. Its an easy fix.
Unfortunately there is no impeachment function... that is something that I always thought would be a good idea too. Also, I was just talking about how you shouldn't be allowed to switch parties and vote on election days. You should have to be in that party for at least a week to vote for PP. You have good ideas, Citizen 6.
This is funny. The more you try to explain what happened the more I and the public do not believe you. Rod Damon clearly declared Sam a PTO threat not only to the Libertarian Party, but the nation as a whole. Then while belittling Sam for getting outside votes you openly court the USWP and UIP to send votes to Iasov. Then you underhandedly record IRC chats, which you know can not be printed in-game and declare that you have proof of his ill intent. I would be surprised if you actually have them and would not believe them if you linked me to them, because they are easily edited. The one thing I have learned participating in RL politics is that actions speak louder than words and once you have acted own it...
1) USWP and UIP came to us.
2) I didn't record conversations. They were between Sam and HobbitTon and then given to me.
3) Did you not read the time-line? Yeah, Rod declared him a threat hours before Sam decided to not quit the game. What is it that you aren't getting here, CHS? Would you elect someone in your party who had no intention of actually sticking around to run it?
Lies. All that ever comes out of your mouth.
Join the USDP today to soar above this elitist BS!! \o/
ya'll niggaz postin in a troll thread
In fairness, this has got to be one of the craziest PP elections I've seen...and I've seen some crazy ones! 🙂
But I hope now that Iasov has won you can all move on as a party.
PS: Claire still looks kinda hot in that picture...lol
@Claire
'1) USWP and UIP came to us.
Not one person (correction below)has come to me offering any sort of help from any of the other parties. Last month, the Libertarian Party saved SEEs from a PTO because Iasov was the only candidate in our race. This month, when I alerted the USWP and the FEDS of their potential PTO threats and subsequently offered them all the LIB votes we could give, they were nothing but gracious. However, now that the Libs (and nation) are facing a serious threat, not one person from any other party has offered any aide in the slightest.'
I think the above paragraph is a pretty clear 'guilt trip' call for both of those parties to come to your aid.
'2) I didn't record conversations. They were between Sam and HobbitTon and then given to me.'
But you have them and this morning you used them to insinuate his guilt.
'3) Did you not read the time-line?'
Yes, I read the time line and I don't care what happened when. This was clearly an internal matter concerning ONLY the Libertarian Party. Yet you came out in public and using your influence in FEC got Sam declared a threat. You then write stuff like this;
'Why meddle in another party’s affairs if you don’t follow that party’s politics and structure. You are doing nothing but harming a party you have nothing to do with and in the end harming the eUS come Congressional Election time.', while at the same time trying to get other parties to 'meddle' in your party. Had you 1) handled this quietly, internally and 2) not publicly gotten Sam declared a threat by a Department YOU had influence over 1) Sam would have lost and 2) he would have quit and this would have died with him. Instead you decided to make political hay out of the situation and it has back fired on you so bad you are out here the day after your 'hand picked' candidate used snipers to win trying to make yourself look like the injured party.
"(about running) Neither of which had ever said a word or made it known they were interested, including Sam who was in our chatroom everyday." As if they needed YOUR god-like approval.
" We both concurred that I would ask them." -As if your (we being lasov and yours) concurring meant that it was gods word that needed to happen.
"Notice he(Damon) never called it a PTO threat, it was only a 'possible PTO treat.'" That is full of malarky and you know it. It's the same difference.
"With less than 12 hours left in the election, Sam finally states he won’t quit the game if he wins the election." Funny how at that point he was WINNING and if you could have called off any and all snipers, but you didn't. How charming.
I simply hope people see the current leadership for their faults in this matter and their autocratic tendencies and replace them with good people.
Let's see
"The USWP and the UIP pledge support to the Libertarian Party to avert Sam’s threat."
"The Federalists decide to help in voting."
"We find out that SEES has been sending Sam voters despite other parties sending them voters to avoid the Imperialist take-overs."
Now let's look at the results
Iasov 142
SamWystan 119
so yes Sam got what help he could from a (seemingly) besieged party
Iasov got the help from three parties so i'm just going to assume that Sam got more true Lib votes and your whole arguement is straight out of Saul Alinsky's Rules For Radicals, I don't know if you've read it but if you haven't you don't need too
Make Iasov step down SamWystan is our true Party President!
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What Emerick said
What CRoy said
"But I hope now that Iasov has won you can all move on as a party."
X2
This sounds about right. Although in hindsight, I should have pretended to ragequit and run anyway but then say I won't quit if I win, so I could be super popular. Damnit all.
LoL. CHS, did it ever occur to you that people didn't offer to send you votes to your party because no one likes you because you get involved in things that you have no idea about and post offensive comments?
I'm glad this turned into the same 5 people who commented against me and refused to hear me out in all of the articles on election day. I suppose that you guys are really good and loyal people (to Sam) so kudos for that. I wish I could blindly ignore the real issues like you do and full-heartedly follow someone's every word... if that were the case, I could've been Pizza The Hut's biggest ally.
Also, Jamarcus' comment is spot on.
O.o
You know, CHS makes good points.
😶
@Claire
'LoL. CHS, did it ever occur to you that people didn't offer to send you votes to your party because no one likes you because you get involved in things that you have no idea about and post offensive comments?'
ROFLMFAO...what party? When did I ask for anyone to send me votes? I remember a few weeks ago that Syrup PToed the America First Party and I simply acquired another party (without PToing it), renamed it and moved on. As for getting involved in things I know nothing about, you are the one who brought internal party matters out for all of eRepublik to see, you are the one who claimed Sam was a PTo threat to your party and to the country. Since you did that I and other players have the right to free speech and our opinions.
You're 100% Right CHS. You win, stop posting in my articles now as you aren't even in the Libertarian Party and your opinion doesn't matter to me in the slightest.
that's a little better Claire. A little. You finally conceded that honest opinions don't matter to you. Onward to self-realizations!
who says SEES was sending sam votes? we were losing all day and sam was shouting in support of the group PTOing us I was shouting for Draak and lasov and I even sent 2 people to vote lasov since reading sams article the day before I knew him winning could get us some bad congress members and our PTO probably wouldn't
Jemkira, we saw Emerick give the orders on IRC, lol.
Aren, don't have small countries to "save"?
Claire, don't have respect for other nations? I be sure to bring that back up if you run for Prez 🙂. Thanks for the quote!
That sure is a dirty girl in that picture.
That's a stretch, Aren. Do I not have respect for foreign nations because I called them "small"? Or is it because I mocked you for stating you "save" countries? I'm lost at how either of those translates to me not respecting foreign nations. If you are going to be a politico and twist people's words, you gotsta do better than that, homes.
@Claire Littleton; 'Jemkira, we saw Emerick give the orders on IRC...'
I bet you have copies of that IRC chat. Oh right, that can't be posted in-game. So once again you use proof that is easily altered and that can't be used in-game to insinuate someone is guilty of something.
CHS. I don't need proof of that when there were 30 witnesses to it. Try getting on IRC so you can see how it works. You may actually learn how the game works if you do.
On second thought, nevermind... you would be kicked out of just about everyone's chatrooms.
And that is exactly why I am in all those chat rooms under a name you will never know. You want players to join those IRC chats then you kick them out the second disagree with you. I have seen how you and the other elite act in those channels and it reminds me of a daycare center. Fun to watch, but very unproductive.
WHERE'S THE 30 REASONS WHY 30 SHOUTS SMELL?
WHYYYYYY?
They took it down, Gaylord Q. Tinkledink. "Reason: Public Debate," which really means I talked bad about their decision and they are babies.