I am Disappoint
Claire Littleton
Disappointed Face
Who am I disappointed in?
1. Sam Wystan
2. The Un-Informed 2-Clicker
3. The Un-Informed Off-Site Crowd
4. Other Parties
5. Myself
1. Sam Wystan
Out of the blue, two days ago, I am called out on the IRC for causing SamWystan to quit the game. After being a bit blown away, I ask why and I got this: Sam’s Quitting Article. Apparently, the person who I considered one of the Party’s best writers and part of the Libertarian Writer’s Guild and personal confidante (and just appointed Chief of Staff) is calling me a fool in public. Apparently Sam decided to quit mainly because the game sucks. Yes, it’s nothing new, we all know this and that’s why a majority of people quit. He then added in some falsities about the Libertarian Party (which he admittedly stated were satire and falsities to several people) such as stating that we forced him to leave the Party Presidency Race and ignored him in regards to party jobs.
I find both these things interesting. We didn’t “force” Sam to do anything. We asked him if he’d reconsider running for PP because he had never once stated a real interest in running. We thought that if Iasov would run unopposed, then we could aide other parties from PTO attempts in this PP cycle because there were PTO threat rumors in all 5 of the political parties. If Iasov ran unopposed then we could ship every single one of our other 140 (typical) voters elsewhere to help (like we did last month to save SEEs from a PTO). Without saying a word, Sam took himself off the ballot and that was the end of that.
That night, he and Croy (Director of the Party’s Interior) talked and Sam voiced his complaints. It ended with them understanding each other and Croy appointing Sam as Chief of Staff of the Libertarian Party. Then, out of nowhere, Sam put himself back on the ballot and then ran the article that I had posted above. The article clearly states that he intends on running for PP and he is quitting the game regardless if he wins or not.
Why is this a problem? If Sam wins PP and doesn’t plan to do anything and let anyone who wants to run for Congress (as he explicitly states in his article), then any PTO threat in the eUS can run for Congress under the Libertarian Party. If this happens, there is nothing anyone can do because Sam (who is going to do nothing) needs to pick the real candidates and place blockers to avoid the threats (all things the PP does the day before elections). Without an active PP, threats can get into Congress and then let more threats into the country with Citizenship Approvals.
This would undo all the countless hours of hard work that the Libtertarian put into the game in the past 3 months to bring the party back and grow it to the second largest party in the game. It is a slap in the face to everyone who cares about the party. It is a slap in the face to the nearly 400 members we now have. Why is Sam doing all of this? Because he is butthurt and is doing it for the “lulz” to get back at the party for whatever reasons he thinks or make up that the party has wronged him.
2. The Uninformed 2-Clicker
I want to first state that this isn’t directed at all 2-Clickers, just the ones who are vocal without knowing the details of everything and what is going on. I pride myself on being a voice of the 2-Clickers and thus is why the Libertarian Party is set up to give you guys the most possible voice out of any of the parties.
I know that most people who play this game don’t get on the eUS forums or get on the IRC chats, and that is 100% fine. You will get out of this game what you put into it. People need to realize that for the game to be as in-depth (as it possibly can be) that it requires people to take the game off-site and do work to organize and get stuff done. If we didn’t take this game off-site then the game would consist of nothing more than a free-for-all where there are no real countries, wars won’t be organized and politics would be nothing but take over situations. If the game were like this then the average person would quit much sooner than they do now and get bored much more easily.
Where I am going with the preceding paragraph is that people who think the game should only be played in-game obviously don’t know the ramifications of what would happen if it were only in-game. The game has evolved from it’s start and if you want to live in a country that isn’t completely taken over by an enemy, you have to take it off-site.
What this leads me to is all the support that Sam is getting. Lots of you are championing him on and supporting his “freedom” ideals where anyone can run for Congress and do whatever they want if he wins. If anyone can run for Congress then the eUS would literally not exist anymore. Threats would get into Congress and then give their threat friends citizenship. Those of you who are supporting him I feel don’t actually read his papers to see he is quitting because each time I bring it up in the comments, people think I am making it up. He states it blatantly in the article I cited above.
Lastly, what annoys me are the 2-Clickers who are rally around Sam who aren’t even in the Libertarian Party. Several of his votes are from out-of-party people who are voting him because they are uninformed. They are moving to the Libertarian Party to vote, then move back to their party. Why meddle in another party’s affairs if you don’t follow that party’s politics and structure. You are doing nothing but harming a party you have nothing to do with and in the end harming the eUS come Congressional Election time.
3. The Uninformed Off-Site Crowd
You are the people who do have all the access in the world regarding the game. You frequent the forums and IRC and have the tools to figure out what is going on easily. Instead, you choose not to read articles or forum posts or ask what is going on in the chats. Instead, you just support the problem blindly because you either have a grudge against the party or people in the party. What you don’t realize is that this is going to create a giant problem come election time. What does that mean? A bunch of people in Congress who have no desire to be there or are there for ill-intentions. They have the potential to throw off in-game votes and make Congress on the forums weaker (a problem you all complain about) and give citizenship to their friends who will be able to run in future elections.
There is a time and place for you to hold grudges and this isn’t the time nor the place.
4. Other Parties
Not one person (correction below)has come to me offering any sort of help from any of the other parties. Last month, the Libertarian Party saved SEEs from a PTO because Iasov was the only candidate in our race. This month, when I alerted the USWP and the FEDS of their potential PTO threats and subsequently offered them all the LIB votes we could give, they were nothing but gracious. However, now that the Libs (and nation) are facing a serious threat, not one person from any other party has offered any aide in the slightest.
Also, several people in other parties know I have been working my butt off the past 2 weeks trying to rally the parties together to make the best possible Congress this month by working together and running the best candidates in all parties. All these plans are shot to hell if Sam wins.
Upate/Correction: The USWP and UIP has pledged some support. For that, I thank them. The Feds have also just pledged support... albeit late, but it's the thought that counts. Thanks guys.
5. Myself
I am disappointed in myself because I didn’t listen to my own instincts regarding how serious this situation was going to get. I should have done more yesterday in terms of informing the party of the situation and looking at other options to dissolve this problem when it first began. For those of you who love the Libertarian Party and all we’ve done in the past 3 months... I am sorry that I didn’t just take the initiative and do something about this beforehand. Other people in the party assured me the concern wasn’t that great and I listened to them... If our party is lost today, I hold myself partially responsible. I am sorry.
TL
😉R: People need to take their heads out of their butts and realize what it is they are supporting and not just jump on a band-wagon based off lies they’ve heard and just for the sake of doing it.
~Claire Littleton
Comments
I too, am disappoint with the players who are choosing to elect a quitting player to the Party President seat.
This is madness! (& SPARTAA!)
If Samfag wins, I will open threads and submit tickets to remove him. He is a PTO'er.
Sad day for Libs.
Sam has claimed he will not quit if he wins, however I still don't think he should be elected.
With either outcome our party is going to take a serious blow.
He said he would stay if he won and quit if he didn't.
But I hope he doesn't win.
I am dissapoint
And what if Sam wins and does his best? What if he can be better "blockers selector" than Iasov? Any worst case scenario except PTO possibility (which is still here since any PTOgroup may TO some party ranked as 8-9, fill it with themselves and get into top5)...
What I see here is butthurt Sam and butthurt Claire... What I miss is voice from Iasov - it is him who is losing the ballot.
Iasov should win
My Queen, we did great things together. Everyone in the Libertarian Party leadership.
Jelly, CRoy, Claire, Marxus and yes even Iasov despite popular misconception.
Even SamWystan for that matter, even though I've been riding him hard during and after this whole incident, I am not as mad at him as i am disappointed in him.
I'm sorry for the harsh word I've been using lately but i too am disappoint.
I am butthurt, Sean... it's true. I put tons of time and effort into building this party all so that one person could run and destroy everything. If Sam does win and does his best? He already stated (once again, I refer you to his article and hope you read it) that he will do nothing.
You guys got 120 votes for lasov last month with sending votes to SEES. I still think you guys are alright, so go muster the troops.
All Hail the Mighty Libs
"It is a slap in the face to the nearly 400 members we now have."
We may have 400 members, but the eUS only knows like 5 people out of that.
@Claire
Read his latest article, maybe also PM which he manually sent to each libertian, his comments under articles... He has nothing to lose, if he wins he will take a chance to change things, if he loses he will accept it and leave. Fair guy. Fair guys deserve a chance to be given responsibility - and from what I know he already had done a lot for libs.
Bloody hell, at least some fun in here and those boring elections are finally some kind of drama. I am used to flamewars, accusations, propaganda etc but this is democratic and fair political fight.
I wonder why I see that only few people (jelly, claire, croy, Iasov) - so called libs elite - are fighting against Sam. I wonder why many other libs - including 2clickers - gave their vote to Sam.
You are making one big mistake from the point of mass manipulation - the harder you fight against Sam, the more you support his words and the more people believe that Sam is right and has the point.
Oh the lulz.
It's nice to see the eUSA's favorite puppetmistress butthurt once in awhile.
You guys will be fine no matter what happens. I'm glad there's no PTO attempt on the Libs. But I'm REALLY glad Sam changed his avatar back.
Sam Wystan for Libertarian Party President!!!
LoL. ssomo, take your Pa avatar elsewhere. (I know it's really Oregon) Also, I enjoy you.
Sean Bateman there is a problem with what you say and I'll state it clearly.
If SamWystan would have just acted normal and informed us he wanted to run for PP previous to us already gearing up for running Iasov, i would have voted for him to run.
I'm dead serious.
This has nothing to do with "elitism" and everything to do with him flipping out and going completely insane, and they fell for it.
Check my profile, I'm not even a lib anymore so i don't have any ulterior motives and i won't even be in this country for much longer.
Like i mentioned above, prior to this election nobody had anything against SamWystan. Not a single one of us and in fact we admired him to a certain degree.
oh and btw
so far 66 people voted for Sam
so far 46 people voted for Iasov
(10:40eTime)
What does it actually mean? I know you can call some friends for help, I know you have means how to win, we all know how democracy works in erepublik. But even if Iasov wins, those 66 people may feel disappointment and actually LEAVE libs. I think this is good time to learn something
Sean, I guarantee you that over half of Sam's votes aren't even Libs, so I'm not concerned. What is nice to know is that more than likely, all 45 of those votes for Iasov are Libs.
s0beit:
you may be right. He acted like a jackass. He got some guts to do something "epic". I know that feeling, in my previous eLife I had that period as well - nothing to lose, not much to gain. In such a situation you simply do what you consider the most important thing, fulfil your deepest dreams and see things differently. Also, I guess he didn't imagine everything, I believe that some kind of elite exists - even it is result of natural selection and depicts how pasionate players you are.
As I said, it is something new for Libs, some drama and no matter how this ends up, we will remember it for a long time. I don't mind any of you guys but I gave a chance to fair guy 🙂
@Claire
are you reading what you actually write? Sorry, but quoting from your article which is on the top of the page - Upate/Correction: The USWP has pledged some support. For that, I thank them. - I guess that not all votes are from Libs. Besides, this is eRepublik with 200+k citizens, however there are only like 30-40k players (see Bogdan_L stats) - and not everyone obeys "1citizen only" rule.
Lady and gentlemen, let the better win ! Is that fair enough?
I just really hope IF he wins that he treats the party right. There have been lots of rumors flying around about what will happen but I'm not a mind reader.
I'm also not saying he will definitely win, I'm not a fortune teller either.
Believe me, I'm not baiting people to vote one way or the other. I just hope all the rumors are false and the libs can live on.
We all (the people i mentioned in my first reply) have shed sweat and tears building the Libertarian Party from member 1 to 400.
Please don't let it go to waste. Any of you.
You know we'll be doing what we can. It's a big spread. Chat tonight, aye?
I've just read Sam Wystan's article and from what I can tell from Claire's article and that, I think there is something wrong with Sam running for PP just to get back at the party and a few specific people. I think his actions will be hurtful in the end, and though there may possibly be wrongdoing on both sides (emphasis on possibly, I see the evidence mostly against Sam) this whole thing is just ridiculous.
I hope the Libertarian Party turns out ok through this whole affair.
-Tails
Aye, Candor.
@Sean: I'm talking to the USWP, they haven't actually sent anything yet at this time. They are working out logistics.
"People need to take their heads out of their butts"
who's butt is your head up right now, I have played this game long enough to know that is how the top five work, everybody is kissing someone else's ass to get further in this game, making the top five a revolving door of players sticking their heads into the arses of others who are trying to find the room to fit their heads in others holes. You would think at some point the smell of the crap would get to some...guess not
Son, I am disappoint.
"Sean, I guarantee you that over half of Sam's votes aren't even Libs, so I'm not concerned. What is nice to know is that more than likely, all 45 of those votes for Iasov are Libs."
There goes that "AMG its not an official candidate it must be a PTO!" threat again.
"who's butt is your head up right now, I have played this game long enough to know that is how the top five work, everybody is kissing someone else's ass to get further in this game, making the top five a revolving door of players sticking their heads into the arses of others who are trying to find the room to fit their heads in others holes. You would think at some point the smell of the crap would get to some...guess not" X2
Oh look Pumpkin found his way here ^-^
@seeroy suck up to anyone, how is trying to be maxfail 3 working for you?
I voted.
Back to your cage, Pumpkin!
Claire, I too am disappoint.
I love when Pumpkin shows up with his "wit" and "smarts" and his "vast knowledge of what happens in every aspect of the game." Don't cage him.
@littlemind, I only know this forum and the politics side of this game, seeroy is only quoting system0101 (seeroy doesn't have the ability to be original) ""vast knowledge of what happens in every aspect of the game."", I have been asked what makes someone an elite, thanks for the clarification.
You are more than welcome? Your comment isn't very coherent so I will take it as a compliment. You are such a cute kitty.
The libs will come out on top of this. We have an amazing leadership team (/me pats self on the back) and amazing member base.
Also, I rarely get to say it, but thank goodness for the USWP and the UIP.
anti Semite
voted. Apply the fly swatter liberally. You've been swarmed, lol.
Personally, I don't care who the Libertarians vote to be their PP, but they have no right to go out and influence other parties' elections by preselecting a candidate. This is the issue I ran for Fed PP over, and it is also the reason I ended up quiting the Feds. So Sam W. has my good wishes if not my vote.
For the love of God, we didn't preselect anyone for the 1 millionth time. Sam was welcome to run but he was going to quit regardless if he won or not, Samuel Seabury. If his initial plan was to actually lead the party and not flee, we wouldn't have been in this mess today.
"Sean, I guarantee you that over half of Sam's votes aren't even Libs, so I'm not concerned. What is nice to know is that more than likely, all 45 of those votes for Iasov are Libs."
While complaining that half of Sam's votes are non-lib she is mad that 'other' parties won't help her. Nice Logic.
'For the love of God, we didn't preselect anyone for the 1 millionth time. Sam was welcome to run but he was going to quit regardless if he won or not, Samuel Seabury. If his initial plan was to actually lead the party and not flee, we wouldn't have been in this mess today.'
If you select one person to run and ask others not to run against them that is preselecting a candidate. Did the Doctor drop you on your head at birth, Claire? You have a screwy sense of logic.
LoL. I'm not going to fight you CHS, I've been trolled out today. If you'd put as much effort into reading things, you'd see why what has been done has been done.
Are you really Jack Sheppard's sister?
John Gormley, indeed, I am... but between you and I, I can't stand the pompous jerk.
who's Jack Sheppard?
Voted, subbed, and shouted
The Federalists are offering there support to the Libs and SEES
too fail; didn't read
Same old, same old honestly...the eUSA will never change.
DK Inc, tell me about it... almost depressing.
Thank you to the USWP, UIP and Feds for all helping out today.
Also, Thank you to SEES for sending people to vote for SamWystan after we saved your asses last month from Cromstar.
Roll with it, love. Ain't much else you can do without getting upset. If people have voted for Sam, then they have voted for Sam. Look to the future, and what you're going to do when he quits, although you probably have a plan, hmm? 😛
Btw, Josh Frosts kitten is much nicer than George Pumpkinettes. I don't like the latters stare 😒
Yeah, John, my plan was to ensure Iasov wins... Success!