Join The Tax Revolt!
Day 1,463, 04:41
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by Stranger Here Myself
We support candidates pledging to resist the tax hikes:
George Armstrong Custer in New Mexico
Jude Connors in Colorado
Chance Harrison in Alabama
Bennosuke in Florida
WebMastR in New Mexico
Joseph Dinero in Arizona
Discontent with the politicos dividing eAmerica to Class A and Class B citizens? Want to change the EC's failed tax plan? Want to live in an eUS where the government serves you and not the way around?
Join us today, join the Tax Revolt!
We are being invaded. This is how the eUnited States look like now:
We have lost our bonuses. About a month ago - right before the EC's tax hikes - we had 100% bonus on Food production, and 60% on Weapons. Now we have 20% on Food and 0% on Weapons.
Before the tax hikes, an eAmerican worker made a net 0.15 Gold a day. Now he makes 0.11. A worker in Indonesia makes ~0.25, one in Poland ~0.2.
Before the tax hikes an eAmerican worker's net wage could buy 4.65 tanks. Now 3.64. 'One Tank Less A Day Debunked'? O rly?
Do you remember what yo've been told by then-VP Gnilraps explaining the tax hikes?
”The Economics Council's top priority is to create a tax system that will buffer the effects of the rising cost of Gold. The new tax plan is designed to sap foreign importers of greater revenue through increased import traffic, while protecting the position of the USD against Gold.”
White House Press Secretary Israel Stevens quoting Vice President Gnilraps, Day 1430
In reality, Gold/USD is running well over 1000 in these very hours. Foreign sellers are not dumb enough to sell on or markets for less net profits than they can make at home, prices are unaffected - still determined by the market bot's purchase price, and the value of our currency compared to the weighted average of the top 15 economies is falling. See how the gap between us and our enemies in relative Gold prices is widening:
Epic fail, isn't it?
They tell us the invasion is 'natural', 'cyclical', unavoidable - and that we'll come back victorious if we're 'patriotic' enough. Well, not all of s, those taking Job Market offers and paying taxes are of course 'lazy', 'inactive' and 'doing it wrong'.
Do you agree? We don't.
Whenever the self-proclaimed experts' apparently deluded and failed theories are put under scrutiny and get debunked they're down to base insults or sarcastically comment 'terrible elitist'. This rolling joke actually contains the truth. They're firmly convinced they were some 'experts' who hold the only truth, they play 'backroom boys' who'll look after whether you play the game 'correctly' or not, they're bossing others around and dismiss criticism as it was some unpatriotic, unamerican, annoying 'trolling'. They say we're 'doing it wrong'.
And they are doing it wrong. So here's OUR manifesto:
We, the Taxpayers of America, hereby declare these to be our firm beliefs, views and goals:
1.) Every citizen is equal, thus shall be taxed equally.
2.) Every citizen has the right to play the way he wants, thus we shall not try to make him play a different way.
3.) The military budget shall NEVER be allowed to become a security threat on its own. We shall build a military we can sustain, rather than a one that disintegrates exactly when we need it most.
4.) The military's goal is to SERVE THE PEOPLE, not the other way around. If it's better for the citizen to live in a wiped eUS, than it is to live in a free eUS, the military is doing it wrong.
5.) The state shall NEVER take in more in taxes than it needs.
6.) Should the state take in more taxes than needed by accident, it shall look for ways to lower taxes even further, or even reimburse the taxed PRIVATE citizens.
7.) We shall strive for a state that people want to be in, not emigrate from.
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What's the bot do????
Thanks for the supply of cheap propaganda.
😁^ Kemal Ergenekon, main architect of the miserably failed tax plan, who claimed you are 'lazy, inactive, and doing it wrong' if you don't evade taxes' and who is seeing invisible foreign citizens selling weapons on our markets.
He's writing to us from Cyprus ...
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A+++ Article hell if eUSA citizens dont listen to this then good riddins to the eUSA and i will laugh and its Demise for the sheep are too dumb to follow the shepard, let em go off the cliff
You lost your credibility to speak about taxes the day you said countries like Brazil and Indonesia had lower tax income and still managed to live on - when they had x2 the tax revenues of ours and well above the 100k cap. Now go find yourself another online game for your eOccupy eWall Street masturbation.
😁^ thank you for illustrating my point:
"Whenever the self-proclaimed experts' apparently deluded and failed theories are put under scrutiny and get debunked they're down to base insults"
Btw, it would costs 20$ to move from Teaxs to an occupied eUS region if you wanted to fight for eAmerica - which oc you don't.
Keep trolling though, we'd like to show the average eAmerican how the likes of you react to being faced with your failures and lies.
I am not trolling SHM; the moment you lie, you earn your reply. Stop lying and I couldn't care less you exist.
Yes dear, only for the invaders. For other countries you need to be in the EU zone. And Special Forces very frequently fights for other countries than the US - some other thing you didn't know perhaps. You know, alliances and stuff.
But I won't complain, your ignorance of the military module only serves to prove your incompetence in understanding economic policies geared towards helping military efforts of our country.
Witty banter - nice article!
High government spending is good in this game, because transfers are needed to increase total damage output of the country.
This is because the damage function is increasing in strength and rank.
A Social Planner's Problem with identical agents would require no such transfers. But our agents aren't identical. Their damage functions are linear and have differing slopes. To maximize the sum, you need to fill the guys with highest damage first, then the second, the third...
Government transfers to military units are good in this game, because they take money away from clueless people like you, who fight God knows where, chasing this Mercenary Medal here and that Resistance War there; or simply fighting in the first battle they see. That money goes to people who follow orders to maximize our total damage efficiency - those people fight where it matters, when it matters, and deal higher damage than the average net tax payer.
There, the facts you failed to comprehend for what, last two months?
Yes, you are trolling, apparently unable to keep a civilized tone. No wonder. Your tax plan have spectacularly failed.
1) Foreign sellers did not appear on or commodities market. No wonder, you, the self-proclaimed economic guru, the superior 'NBER researcher', the omniscient EC backroom boy, failed to notice a little fact: that there are no markets which you 15% import tax would compete!
2) Prices did not fall because you, the self-proclaimed economic guru, the superior 'NBER researcher', the omniscient EC backroom boy failed to notice that real life supply-demand relations do not work in this game, as there is a market bot buying about 2/3 of the supplies at a price fixed by admins.
3) Yes, I'm perfectly aware that your taxpayer-parasiting militias hardly ever fight for the eUS. We lose region after region, day after day, we're down below the bonses offeredby our original regions for weeks now - and our campaigns of the day point to the third Brazilian battle for the Canaries, or the Great Plains of Hungary. Allies? What do we get in return? We're being invaded for almost a month now - fighting for regions not even giving any new resorces to or 'allies'.
So say what you have to say, we now say: put eAmerica first!
"High government spending is good in this game, because transfers are needed to increase total damage output of the country."
A false claim you've never managed to prove - although called for it several times.
"Government transfers to military units are good in this game, because they take money away from clueless people like you, who fight God knows where, chasing this Mercenary Medal here and that Resistance War there"
"Clueless people like me" are fighting to keep this country on the map - funding orselves, and funding you, stck-up thieves fighting on the other end of the map.
Time to show you, parasites, the way out, and put eAmerica first.
😁^ That proved we need government revenues higher than the natural cap every day.
Then the only argument necessary to prove the need for high Income Taxes is to derive upon the Ramsey Taxation Result: Income Tax is a lump-sum tax in this game, because labor supply choice is discrete, and profitable no matter what as long as net wages exceed the cost of 1 Q5 food. Hence it is inelastic.
Whereas VAT taxes are marginal taxes - they are distortionary.
Hence 25% Income Taxes is optimal.
"A false claim you've never managed to prove - although called for it several times."
max 3x + 2y + z
subject to
x + y + z .Less than or equal to. A
x, y, z .Less than or equal to. B
B .Less than. A
The solution is to fill x first, then y, then z. I just proved it.
Prove that: 3x + 2y + z. Rhetorical question oc, you can't.
Proof that damage is increasing in strength and rank:
http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Military_formulas
Proof that military people have higher STR and Rank:
http://egov4you.info/
(no wonder the backroom boys are trying to hide the budget rundown so desperately: http://eusaforums.com/forum/index.php/topic,13491.0.html National security concerns? C'mon, simply seeking cover for inefficiency.)
"Proof that military people have higher STR and Rank:
http://egov4you.info/"
False, there's zero proof on that there, since egov says nothing about who receives what state funding, neither does it tell us about the strength or rank of members of non-listed military units.
You raise theory after theory and they all got sunk in the storm of facts and actal figures. Sad, isn't it? So keep trolling, and have a nice stay in Cyprus.
This article is not for you, but for those who put eAmerica first.
So Kemal, how's that Max Tax/Max Damage theory of yours working out? Looks like the good ol' USA is getting it's ass kicked. I thought the transfer of wealth was supposed to prevent that?
Here's a fact that doesn't quite fit into your neat little theory: As a citizen of Canada I can now inflict more damage on the enemies of the US than I could as a citizen of the US under your tax plan.
That's a FACT.
I guess maybe in a convoluted way your theory just might work. Players like me who don't want to play the "drones in a commune" game you insist on, can just take our game, taxes, and resources somewhere else and play. Becoming a citizen of another country certainly does allow me to inflict max damage.
Kemal you're a freaking genius!
btw, we also kindly invite those having escaped Soviet eAmerica, you cannot join the party, but feel free to sign up to or forum and share your opinion.
I put eAmerica first when I can just as easily get Chinese citizenship and pump out stuff at 100% bonus with not a care in the world, but even I can see the goals here are ridiculous.
1. Taxed equally? What about the tax regime isn't equal within game mechanics? There's no tax structure; everyone pays a flat rate of 25%. Whether or not people *evade* taxes is a different story entirely, and cannot be handled within mechanics. Encouraging people to commune is to encourage efficiency--wages cannot match the value of communing without being extraordinary.
2. Every citizen can play his own way, he just has to pay the consequences of that decision. I can go to another country lickety-split, but I leave opportunities here behind. That is the reality everywhere. There is no issue of freedom here with taxation, it is an issue of encouraging an efficient behavior over an inefficient one.
3. I don't even know what you could possibly be talking about here. The military organization is not disintegrating--arguably, it's getting even stronger with the new Civilian MUs coordinating damage better.
4. Are you blaming the military here for not winning the US back to all 51 regions? Look at the numbers: Serbia has 22,000 citizens, the US 8,000. Just against one nation we're fighting 3:1, and we still manage to highly contest battles. That's a remarkable achievement.
5. eUS Treasury Gain [removing the outliers when game mechanics broke and refused to donate] was NEGATIVE 1,000 USD a day over the past 2 weeks. The eUS's spending is right in line with its expenditures.
6. See above.
7. Want to do that? Actually propose some real numbers and start a national discourse and debate. Constantly saying 'THE EC SUCKS AND IS RUINING THE COUNTRY' accomplishes nothing but push people away from eUS drama [of which it is by far king of the eWorld]. Think the JCS-eUSAF conflict is bone-headed? This argument is not much better.
Stick to numbers, everyone can respect those.
Good article. You need more specific goals though.
The military IS getting its ass kicked. And people are still using the "we have tons of regions" argument (the doomed argument of the last wipe). I think in the last week I have seen a USA battle as COD like...2-3 times total.
@SHM
"False, there's zero proof on that there, since egov says nothing about who receives what state funding, neither does it tell us about the strength or rank of members of non-listed military units."
Nothing prevents you from asking all branches on how much is spent where. I doubt that they would refuse to provide you with information, but if that is the case, PM me. I might even pay you with my own money if you compile an updated list on who gets what conditional on what.
You are wrong. This article is for people like you - who have a Mercenary Medal whereas the US was under constant attack from ONE the last few months. You are not a patriot, but the exact opposite: an economic libertarian who cares nothing about the country's prowess but his selfish concerns - not only economic, but also political.
@Belizaire
You don't deserve an answer, because you have demonstrated your incapability to follow logical arguments in the past. Enjoy your abandonment of the US - any one of us can go to other countries and earn more.
We have less people and less resources. Hence our government military spending/GDP ratio is higher. What did you expect? This isn't rocket science.
"1) Foreign sellers did not appear on or commodities market. No wonder, you, the self-proclaimed economic guru, the superior 'NBER researcher', the omniscient EC backroom boy, failed to notice a little fact: that there are no markets which you 15% import tax would compete!"
I told you I advocated for ca. 5%. Go tell the rest of the EC and Congress. Still, we have foreign sellers.
"2) Prices did not fall because you, the self-proclaimed economic guru, the superior 'NBER researcher', the omniscient EC backroom boy failed to notice that real life supply-demand relations do not work in this game, as there is a market bot buying about 2/3 of the supplies at a price fixed by admins."
Do you want me to copy paste? There were 3 effects that would drive prices up, but they stayed the same. That means our tax changes acted to keep them down.
"3) Yes, I'm perfectly aware that your taxpayer-parasiting militias hardly ever fight for the eUS. We lose region after region, day after day, we're down below the bonses offeredby our original regions for weeks now - and our campaigns of the day point to the third Brazilian battle for the Canaries, or the Great Plains of Hungary. Allies? What do we get in return? We're being invaded for almost a month now - fighting for regions not even giving any new resorces to or 'allies'."
Stop being such an ungrateful troll. Those people are actually spending their time and sometimes money to see to this country's success, whereas you make tons of money from your economic activities, but invest too little in your strength and rank. And when you hit, you hit in irrelevant battles, as evidenced by your Mercenary Medal. Go to Poland, dear Mercenary, they have 100%/100% bonuses. Why stay here, dear libertarian?
Oh, but I forgot. You couldn't hope to eOccupy eWall Street in Poland, because they wouldn't give a flying ****. How unfortunate!
"I might even pay you with my own money if you compile an updated list on who gets what conditional on what."
I'll help you with the second part. 50 bucks, cough up:
"Total funding / total # of militia soldiers communing * soldiers communing in militia X = funding for militia X"
[ http://eusaforums.com/forum/index.php/topic,13491.0.html ]
So, if militia X has 20 Colonels, it's funding is twice that of militia Y, consisting only of 10 National Forces.
Pretty savvy IMO, and not in any way correlated as to why the floor is currently being wiped with us. _again_ .
That should help out Hekter on his quest for "efficiency" BTW.
He's already half-way there with discovering _why_ it is more profitable/efficient for the state to own companies, hire Colonels on market wages and supply hard-hitters with the produced goods, rather than throw money at Colonels to fight in their own tanks...
... which they can't completely produce themselves anyway.
lolno
@pure_evil
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"You don't deserve an answer, because you have demonstrated your incapability to follow logical arguments in the past."
You're the epitome of a pompous academic Kemal. I could say the exact same thing to you.
"Enjoy your abandonment of the US - any one of us can go to other countries and earn more."
Patriotism is for real life Kemal, we're here to play a game. It's your tax policy that made me and others "abandon" the US. Let's see if you can follow a logical argument -
Aside from whether or not your theory has any merit, this is a game. It's not about just about earning more, it's about playing the game more.
The current political regime favors one segment of the population over another. If you play the game as a drone in a commune marching in lockstep you'll be rewarded. If you choose to defend your country in another manner you're labeled a two-clicker or an inactive and you get your income confiscated and given to someone else who "knows how to play".
You and your cronies labor under the bizarre notion that unless players are controlled in slave pit communes they're not defending their country. That's absurd.
I'm here to play the game. US policy means I play the game less. Other country's policies allow me to play the game more. That's pretty simple logic to follow, I think it's within your grasp.
Maybe the misguided political class in the US will become enlightened someday and not pit one group of players against another. Maybe not.
In the meantime I'm here for Less Tax/Max Game.
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voted, with an objection/clarification on (5). The "needs" exceed 110k per day (100 for donate and 10 for MPP). US needs to build reserves.
Other than that, I've written 3 articles on the topic and have explained why food VAT should increase and Income Tax drop. If people don't want to listen, it's not my problem. Personally I am amazed really, that 1 month under the current tax regime Congress sees no need to discuss a change. As for the EC, they have showed that they are just theories, ignoring (or being unaware of) how economies actually work, so I have no faith in them. They wouldn't get it right even if they wanted to.
PS: The idea of "taxing at max the factor that is inelastic, b/c it is inelastic", is just hilarious. Still, it does not explain why you shouldn't tax in the same way the factor that is even more inelastic and on top of that, a foreigner!
Hekter: Well written comment that is spot on.
Hekter: Well written comment that is spot on.
"2. Every citizen can play his own way, he just has to pay the consequences of that decision."
Life in the USA...our way or the highway.
Canada has a fantastic system of military support, and they can afford it with vast monetary reserves and large deficit spending, as well as relatively stable region bonuses. Being in both Terra and EDEN, the US fights on the same side. It is an excellent choice if you have no ties to the US.
If you refuse to take advantage of the US' provided services, then the fault is merely your own. The numerous outreach programs that exist attest that mostly what is holding players back is laziness. Forgive me if I do not find it intrinsically wrong to tax them most of all for it.
Ooh look, it's SHM writing another massive bitchfest without any solutions of his own. GTFO, troll and take your worthless propaganda with you.
You have been mentioned in today paper!!! http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/join-the-pro-tax-revolt--1909297/1/20
"You're the epitome of a pompous academic Kemal. I could say the exact same thing to you."
As you are the epitome of the ignorant dilettante. You have no desire to learn; only to repeat your beliefs - not ideas.
"Patriotism is for real life Kemal, we're here to play a game. It's your tax policy that made me and others "abandon" the US. Let's see if you can follow a logical argument -"
ePatriotism is for eLife. If you leave your eCountry during its worst time, you become an eTraitor in the eyes of eNationalists. I'm not one by the way, enjoy your stay. If the amount you earn because of resource bonuses exceeds the tax we lost because you left the country - and if you are still fighting for the US, the country didn't lose anything. There is a critical number of people after which it will be detrimental, but it isn't going to happen anytime soon.
"Aside from whether or not your theory has any merit, this is a game. It's not about just about earning more, it's about playing the game more."
This game is a military simulation, and the countries fight over resources. To win against strong opponents, you need a strong and efficient army. You may choose to play however you wish, and the government may try to give incentives to you so that you contribute the most to the overall effort. The government people are also playing the game as they like. There is nothing unethical here.
"The current political regime favors one segment of the population over another. If you play the game as a drone in a commune marching in lockstep you'll be rewarded. If you choose to defend your country in another manner you're labeled a two-clicker or an inactive and you get your income confiscated and given to someone else who "knows how to play"."
If the players outside military organizations fight inefficiently, do you expect us to pat them on the back? This system gives incentives to be efficient, as well as redistributing resources in a better way in the damage maximizing sense.
If you benefit from the resource bonuses of the US, you have to pay its taxes. Simple enough.
"You and your cronies labor under the bizarre notion that unless players are controlled in slave pit communes they're not defending their country. That's absurd."
I am under the bizarre notion that independents are more likely to fight inefficiently, and that they generate less damage output with the same amount of commodities. That bizarre notion is based on data and past experience.
Is it a coincidence that you and SHM have Mercenary Medals where as I don't - like most of the military people? Oh my god, you must DEFINITELY have gathered that medal by fighting for the TEDEN fronts! Just pathetic...
"I'm here to play the game. US policy means I play the game less. Other country's policies allow me to play the game more. That's pretty simple logic to follow, I think it's within your grasp.
Maybe the misguided political class in the US will become enlightened someday and not pit one group of players against another. Maybe not.
In the meantime I'm here for Less Tax/Max Game."
Suit yourself. We aren't obliged to doom the country to failure just to make a minority happy. If you want to change how things are done, run for a legislative or executive position and do it.
Sorry here is the fixed link
You have been mentioned in todays paper!
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/1909297/1/20
"If you refuse to take advantage of the US' provided services, then the fault is merely your own. The numerous outreach programs that exist attest that mostly what is holding players back is laziness."
What a hoot! Unfortunately I believe you're serious.
What you mean is; join an MU, work in a slave pit for a dollar a day, take the food and weapons we give you, and do what you're told. That's what you mean by "provided services" and "outreach programs" eh? What's "lazy" is doing just what you describe.
Forgive me if I'd rather do it on my own...and excuse me if I resent being taxed at a higher rate than the robots.
"Forgive me if I do not find it intrinsically wrong to tax them most of all for it."
Spoken like a true Lib.
Drones in a hive...what fun.
I see you've decided that Mercenary is the new dirty word, eh Kemal.
Hear that Gnilraps?
Oh yes Belizaire, because you hit wherever and whenever you feel like it - assuming you feel like it at all - you are a very cool fighter of liberty and whatnot. Why, you are so liberal and cool that you hit against TEDEN once in a while, just to get a Mercenary Medal which documents your "achievement". Truly, we shouldn't tax you and your ilk. Dollars wasted by you are dollars well spent, in the name of liberty in a whimsical manner.
Really Kemal? You're losing it man...you sound hysterical.
I'm anything BUT a liberal.
I used to be cool, but that was a long time ago.
I fight everyday. Mostly on behalf of the US. I now inflict more damage on US enemies than I did as a US citizen. Thanks for showing me how to achieve max damage by the way.
My "ilk" would include Gnilraps and more than a few of your other cronies. They put a medal in the game. I got one. My bad.
Stop wrapping yourself in the flag Kemal. It doesn't match your eyes.
kemal sikmiş beyler dağılın.
>blaming invasion on taxes.
lulz
"Is it a coincidence that you and SHM have Mercenary Medals where as I don't - like most of the military people? Oh my god, you must DEFINITELY have gathered that medal by fighting for the TEDEN fronts!"
I've been fighting for the eUS 110-150 rounds a day, with tanks, since the invasion has started. I've also spent tens of thousands of dollars on sponsoring MUs (not only the one under my command). Money of my own, not money taken from taxpayers.
You're in Cyprus, claiming it makes you cheaper to move to anti-ONE RWs - not eUS battles of course. And you dare to wrap yourself in the flag and pose as an epatriot? Are you freaking joking?
GnilrapsDay 1,463, 10:27
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as Buchephalus wisely put it: "lol you know your getting to them when they are reduced to base insults."
HekterDay 1,463, 06:31
1) Communes are not more efficient than private companies at all. They produce the same amount of goods from the same amount of work clicks, their 'efficiency' come from the mere fact that they evade taxes and spend the taxes of others instead. Anything else is merely a question of distribution and not efficiency. Yes, it could be handled in game mechanics, raising minimum wage and forcing communes to contribute to state funds. I'm not suggesting that, simply note that the statement they 'cannot be handled within mechanics'. Also 'encouraging' and 'forcing' are not synonyms. you're not trying to convince people to play your way, you're forcing them.
2)"There is no issue of freedom here with taxation, it is an issue of encouraging an efficient behavior over an inefficient one."
Again, there's ZERO difference between the efficiency of a commune worker and one in the private sector. Let me repeat, ZERO.
3) "Are you blaming the military here for not winning the US back to all 51 regions?"
What shall I blame, the weather? We spend 200,000$ a day on that military. For what? Close defeats? Getting s wiped while fighting for the Canary Islands?
4) "Actually propose some real numbers and start a national discourse and debate."
For a zillionth time: I have repeatedly pointed out (unlike the EC, using actual market facts, historical data, research by myself and others and comparison databases, not deluded theories based on real life assumptions) how and why the EC's tax plan is flawed and missing even it's own goals.
I have repeatedly proposed the tax table to be restored as of Day 1429 - and then an open and public debate on how taxes could be gradually lowered. I have been repeatedly trolled, insulted, called an idiot, troll, retard, whatever for that.
This is the national discourse and debate. Not the carefully hidden budget rundown, or the private EC forum.
My weapons are exactly facts and figures. Theirs are insults.
"kemal sikmiş beyler dağılın."
Kemal actually made himself a fool, once he at last understands how the game mechanics work, he'll feel pretty much ashamed.