Dancing with Canada
Day 2,294, 22:17
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by Derphoof
There is no such thing as a good war or a bad peace.
War will always have its consequences and peace will almost always prove to be better than war.
Even in eRepublik, this rings true. Yes, the USA may win wars across the globe. We may be able to assault and occupy the likes of Japan, Canada, and France, but it all comes at a cost. The most costly of these wars right now may be the war against Canada.
While we may be gaining precious resources from their lands, they have made us pay for them with wasted damage. That damage is constantly wasted in RW’s in regions like Quebec and Baja. They are two regions they know we will fight to keep. By having to fight for those regions, we are unable to help our allies to the fullest extent that we can.
Luckily, that hasn’t affected the ability of Sirius to perform on the battle recently. However, it could end up being the difference between a win and a loss in a key battle later on.
Gnilraps seeks to rectify this problem by making peace with Canada and trying to patch up relations as best as he can. However, he plans going about it in the wrong manner.
You cannot simply demand that Canada drop its MPP with Serbia overnight. They would much rather fight the USA than have foreign policy be dictated by it. (No matter how you phrase it. That’s how they will see it.) This is especially true in a Rylde term. He hates that kind of stuff.
The situation we find ourselves in now is based on several months of foreign policy decisions, spanning multiple administrations between our countries. As I made clear in my initial propaganda piece, we had our reasons for ceasing ties with Canada, but they also had reasons for moving towards Serbia. This cannot be undone in a couple of days by an agreement; let alone an agreement ceding land and payment in exchange for dropping an MPP with Serbia.
Canadians hold a lot of resentment toward the USA right now. After all, they supposedly wanted on the side of Sirius from the beginning. However, according to comments, it was not the Spanish or the Polish that turned them away. Nor was it their traditional mortal enemy, the Brits.
It was the USA that initially rejected that offer. The Wild Owl Administration felt it best to occupy Canada for resources than work with Canada. By doing this, the USA burned what little relations it had left with Canada. After being effectively cornered into this position, they will not be keen on having that same nation come back and say “Just drop the MPP and everything will be fine.”
Gnilraps wants to “dance” with Canada. However, his current proposal is more akin to us dragging an unwilling Canada across the dance floor while we whisper “isn’t this fun?”
That isn’t how we need to go about this.
An initial agreement must be reached.
Hostile rhetoric must be toned down.
Relations must be steadily improved over months.
All of this must be done in earnest by both sides.
This is the way to eventually pull Canada away from Serbia and back over to Sirius, where they supposedly initially wanted to be.
They know that we are anti-Serbia and they understand that. They too were anti-Serbia before this last shake-up occurred. Yet, they were also anti-Spoland as well. However, after their attack on the UK and our rejection of their proposal to join our side, they were left with Serbia & Co as their only option.
They know that any enemy of Serbia is welcome on our side. The MPP with Serbia is the only thing most Americans truly find unacceptable. However, right now they are much more inclined to trust Serbia than they are to trust us.
I may not always like the foreign policy decisions of Canada. However, I do like many of the people and I respect them and their willingness to fight.
If you want peace and stable relations with Canada, you must treat them as a fair partner and respect them as you would any other nation. Ultimatums and Brute Force are not going to make them like us or trust us.
Don’t be an aggressive dance partner. Be fair and gentle, assuring it is as fun for them as it is for us.
It takes two to tango.
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First for prospects of peace and stability.
Second for Pony.
Why aren't you running for Potus? Finally someone who makes sense
Sadly, I don't have the time right now for such endeavors.
Sounds good to me.
"You cannot simply demand that Canada drop its MPP with Serbia overnight. They would much rather fight the USA than have foreign policy be dictated by it. (No matter how you phrase it. That’s how they will see it.) This is especially true in a Rylde term. He hates that kind of stuff."
- Or an I-Bleed-Blue-93 term. Or a DMV3 term (should he win, gods forbid). Oinyo might have stood for it. No other self-respecting Canadian CP ever would.
"Hostile rhetoric must be toned down."
- See above. You must be out of your god-pounding mind. The hostile rhetoric is the best part.
"The MPP with Serbia is the only thing most Americans truly find unacceptable."
- I would be ashamed of myself if it were the ONLY thing.
You won't sweet-talk your way into our policymaking, either.
1.) Or an I-Bleed-Blue-93 term. Or a DMV3 term
When I said, "You cannot simply demand that Canada drop its MPP with Serbia overnight" I thought I made it clear that it didn't matter who was in office. I'd just venture to say that Rylde would be the hardest negotiator out of just about any CP.
2.) "The hostile rhetoric is the best part."
Sure, it's certainly fun. I can troll all day long if I want. However, it isn't conducive to a productive environment between our two nations.
3.) I would be ashamed of myself if it were the ONLY thing.
Although Americans don't hate Serbians in RL, the USA-Serbia rivalry is one of the fiercest in the game. One day, we may be on the same side. Who knows?
But for now, Serbia is our sworn enemy. So, while we may love everything else about Canada, an MPP with Serbia could easily put the whole nation out of favor with Americans. Although I'm sure some Americans dislike more than just that MPP.
4.) You won't sweet-talk your way into our policymaking, either.
I wouldn't want to sweet-talk my way into Canadian policy. I'd want to shore up relations and build them to the point that Canada would willingly choose Sirius over Asteria.
The tone of your very cogent and sweetly-worded article reads as, "Though they may be a bunch of mad rubberheads now, eventually we may be able to persuade them over to the correct (i.e. American) way of thinking. With constant gentle admonishments and persuasions and lots of hugs and snuggles." We need a "Mommy" no more than we need ham-fisted buffaloing.
There is no "correct" way of thinking. This is a game.
We can only hope that through negotiations and positive actions, made in good faith, we may come to earn each other's friendship and respect once more. You're right. Canada does not need a "mommy." It needs friends and allies.
Canada can make it's own choices. The American people would simply hope that, after future months of positive relations, the people of Canada would choose the USA over Serbia.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
The eUS can burn.
The only good Kanadian is a dead Kanadian.
Right back at ya, eagle-hugger.
Publius that sound like serbian just mixed up abit with another words 🙂
P.S. Canada change your mind eUSA will forgive you and come in a good side...Great days will come 😉
eUSA will forgive us, will they? That's rich.
So you are going to forgive us for what? being invaded without provocation? While your at it will you also forgive Japan and Mexico, what a kind and generous person you are!!
Fun Fact: a Majority of Bald Eagles are actually Canadian Born, as Bald Eagles come north to breed before going south for the nice weather.
How do you like your RW Pub? Bean burrito or cheese & whine?
Because of this comment, I decided to start coming back to Erepublik. You are hilarious, dill, and for your amazeballs comment, I am going to award you with 1000 CADbucks. Spend them on tanks and kill all the eMuricans you can.
We were wiped by Spain for 8 months and there was nothing we could do to them while they held our regions because of global circumstances, and we came through alright in the end.
How do you think we'll manage if the US tries to take us off the map and we know where your 4 soft spots are and it hasn't even started yet?
You have 4 bonus regions that can be RW'ed every 36 hours or so. That means that we can constantly and consistently keep RWs up at ALL times that are classified as "must win" by your leadership. That doesn't even factor in the chance of us actually pulling of the occasional victory and making you waste time and energy NE'ing whatever country held the region we happened to liberate.
We were a pain in the ass to a country that shouldn't have been able to feel our sting, imagine what we can do to a country that gives us clear access to it's soft underbelly.
Very true. If a half-wiped, small population country with a low tax rate has more to spend than the intact, medium population with a high tax rate.
Which do you think will run out of money first?
You completely underestimate how much wallet money eCanadians are willing to spend int his game lol
Oinyo? The most reasonable, least xenophobic CP when I lived in Canada?
And you went for a 2nd term, and they threw you out on your ass for not being a warmonger.
But, hey, if it's important enough to you guys to waste real money to get a temporary advantage in a browser game, spend, baby, spend.
I'm sure the Admin appreciates your efforts.
We don't need to spend RL money. You think we don't have enough people making 1000CC+ a week with basic resource bonuses and bot buying to keep RWs up most of the time? I make 2k a week off WRM in a wipe, that's enough for me to RW and one other person and I'm not even a big fish.
If that's all true, Muglack, Canada will not only have all its' territories back in a week, it'll be a world power and occupy the US in two weeks.
Best of luck with that!
Vote from eJapan...😣
Makes sense.
I shall vote.
But your still weird for your pony ways.
Good luck with that. This invasion has made me strongly anti-US.
Quite frankly, I don't care that you want to mend our relationship. At no point did anyone in eCanada want this to happen. You guys decided to invade us. You guys decided you didn't want us in Sirius. You literally forced us to ally with Serbia, and then used that as reasoning for invading us. You wanted to permanently wipe us (good job on that one by the way).
And now that you've figured out how much of a pain in the ass we are, you want us to work on mending relations and eventually choose Sirius over Asteria? Are you kidding me? You know what a great way is to get countries to join your alliance? Accept them when they show interest instead of denying them and then invading them because they got denied.
"You did X. You did Y."
Wow. I didn't know that I held such power. Hell, the people of the USA didn't come together and collectively make these decisions.
Don't throw out such blanket statements.
The denial of Canada in Sirius is by no means an action endorsed by the whole of the nation. At no point was such a decision taken to congress, nor was the populace consulted. Such action would have been taken unilaterally by the CP, as an alliance matter.
In Canada, Congress has a lot of control over foreign policy than in the US. In the USA, the Executive makes most of the foreign policy decisions.
As you know, nuances in policy and personal opinions can easily change from one president to another just as easily as it does in RL. The current CP has a certain distaste for Canada that surpasses most, resulting in our current state. A possible PotUS like Gnilraps has already shown a completely different tone.
"Don't throw out such blanket statements."
Why not? The US gets to.
Kanadians are stewpid.
They don't know how to FA right.
They are weak.
No alliance can trust them.
Also, I was glad when Gnilly ran for PotUS. I thought there was a chance things could start to normalize. Then the condition that we must unfriend Serbia came up. Not gonna happen.
Sure. Americans do it, but it doesn't mean I like it when they do. Blanket statements never accurately portray the situation accurately.
The condition to not MPP Serbia could easily be dropped and it sounds like Gnil has already changed his mind on the subject. After all, he already voiced approval of the ideas in this article.
Such a condition is stupid and blatantly violates the sovereignty of Canada, rendering it unable to make its own decisions.
So Wild Owl is your scapegoat now. He is to be thrown under the bus. Very well, have him write an official apology to eCanada, either before or after he is ousted from office.
Gnilraps has a different "tone," but plays the same song. The assumption seems to be that we are marginal or an afterthought. We have proven this not to be the case. A few of you have the common sense to recognize it now. Others clearly do not.
When Canadians like Thedillpickl endorse a USPOTUS candidate like gnilraps, that tells you a lot.
An Apology from Wild Owl would not mean much now. Most eCanadians remember what it was like last time we were allies, fool me once shame on me, fool me twice......
There is such a thing as a bad peace....In RL atleast.
Well written article that actually makes sense and looks at the issue from the viewpoint of many Canadians.
However, I feel there is a lot more work to be done than both countries imagine. It will be an interesting time coming up that surely won't be lacking in the drama department.
Even if a "deal" is cut, I don't expect it to be upheld by the Canadian population given the latest terms I have been seeing in the media.
Thanks for the compliment.
There is absolutely more work that should be done. Fostering a better relationship between nations is more than simply signing a treaty and saying some nice things. It takes hard work, dedication, cooperation and good intentions to create a good relationship between nations.
I do not believe the terms of an agreement would be as reported. I certainly do not believe Murika would force Canada to drop the MPP with Serbia.
Yeah, I am unsure as well; but even giving up regions won't be an appealing proposition either.
Only time will tell I suppose!
Canada ❤
Just to be plain, this article has merit but the Serbia thing is a wall. There is no point at even discussing alliance partners unless US leave Sirius first. Un-MPP Poland and Spain and then we can discuss Serbia...
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Exactly. As I replied to you before, such a condition is stupid and blatantly violates the sovereignty of Canada, rendering it unable to make its own decisions.
As Gnilraps has voiced his approval in the comments, I believe he has come to a similar conclusion.
Thank you for expressing Canada's point of view in such an beautiful equine fashion.
Why does the USA leadership say we have been enemies for years. You asked us to join CoT. You promised us brotherhood. We jump at the opportunity. We threw everything we had at Spoland on your behalf. We maintained an MPP until the end of December. The only reason it was not renewed was because your MoFA told me as CP, the USA was interested in a land rental.
So I ask you, why does this administration keep trying to spin us as long time enemies? We never joined your enemies the last alliance shuffle. You cannot expect us to do the same again. We suffered long and hard for that last time.
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Such rhetoric has been limited solely to this administration. It was not used in prior administrations, even after the collapse of CoT. The harsh rhetoric is simply the PotUS's personal opinion. As I said in an earlier comment, he has a distaste for Canada that surpasses most.
The spin you talk about is simply to further the views of the administration.
It is not rhetoric or spin. It is treachery, lies and bile. And the people backed it up.
Hell when you guys were being wiped we even offered to break on NAP with Spain and NE Poland just to support you guys. We do nutty things like that.
The Gnilraps term for it is "wacky."
Xander, to be fair I have been talking to several in the US that think this is BS and are tired of the leadership. Many had hoped that Gnilraps would bring a fresh face to US politics. Kinda looks like that's not gonna happen. (Little late to change horses in the middle of the stream Gnilly. Sorry.)
Derphoof, the hatred toward Canada goes back a heck of a lot further than Owl's presidency. Try Oblige's presidency, and possibly even further back. His love for SPoland, and the ingrained hatred of Canada, particularly Rolo, by numerous govt players, has been around a dayem long time. Go read some old forum posts, or comments on articles relating to the subject. The Serbie MPP is just the latest excuse being used. And for the record, most Canadians know we (our mil) refused to fight against them back then, and refused this round also. Someday, maybe the US govt will come to their senses regarding our Northern neighbors. But I won't hold my breath.
If the USA ever truly wishes to mend fences with Canada, and I don't believe they really want to, they just want resources, it will take more than a pat on the back and a few cc each month.
Oh I know that there is an ingrained hatred of Canada that spans back for years, but it is not a feeling from the general populace. That is a sentiment that comes from a select few.
There's a whole subforum of Diosist sentiment devoted to hating on "snowloving Swedes and Kanadians."
Yeah, mending a relationship cannot be done with simply some CC and a reassurance that everything would be okay. it would take a lot of effort from both sides to see a course redirection in our relations.
Terrence and Phillip ❤
/me farts in The DarkKnight's face and laughs his flappy little head off.
@Derphoof. I'm going to put this as plainly as I can.
I don't mind the fact that eAmerica invaded. It made the game interesting and I learned a valuable lesson in this game. The misleading statements/articles that led to eAmerica invading eCanada were childish at best. We did not betray eAmerica. We actually tried to stand next to our big brother to the south. But instead of letting us in. You slammed the door in our face and left us out in the cold. Like you wrote above. We had no real choice. In actuality, this eCanada is a product of your current administration's making.
However. What's really pissing me off, is that the language coming from some of your citizens is not only childish, it's insulting. I understand that the actions of the few are damaging the reputation of the many. But we can only be so civil when it comes to eAmerican arrogance.
If the eAmerican administration has something real to offer. We are always open to considering the offer. Just please don't act like your doing us a favour when the deal benefits eAmerica much more then eCanada.
If you're going to offer us shit. Don't act like it's cake. At least have the decency to call it shit!
To the general eAmerican population. I'm sorry for putting so bluntly if you're offended. But your elitist leaders are to blame in this matter.