USA, do you really know what is happening?
Bloody Valentine
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Hello eRepublik,
I recently wrote an article in your national press to actually know why the U.S. are attacking France while we are not enemies, not members of Phoenix and our relations were recently neutral and improving. I did not get the official answer I wanted, I'm a little disappointed.
Instead, I collected comments from citizens who surly can not agree on a unique reason, valid and consistent. Without much difficulty, I have concluded that U.S. attacks were not really justified and that its people are hiding behind false pretexts to give good conscience.
But every war has its reasons, as well as IRL than IG. Take the recent examples of battles:
- Eden VS UK: Revenge of the departure of the United Kingdom of Atlantis (it-long ago)
- Peru vs Brazil: The TO of Peru by the Polish
- Argentina vs Indonesia: Indonesia Expel High areas in South Africa
... ..
Whether economic, historic or strategic, there is always a reason to declare war on a country. In our case, I'm still thinking but I do not see any worthwhile:
- 'Helping to keep the Spanish conquests' : Come on! France has fewer than 8,000 people and has no money anymore. Do you really think that Spain needs help to achieve this? Poland takes care enough already ...
- 'The U.S. does not want that France supports the United Kingdom to defend' : This argument is totally wrong for the same reasons as previously mentioned. In addition, the UK has 17 MPPs and is defended by Phoenix. According to this logic, US should attack all the countries of the alliance and first, the strongest...
- 'Revenge of the WWII': No credible. For us it was already a vengeance, because you had orchestrated the French Toast and you know that very well. Moreover, the peace treaties signed between our two countries prove that we were perfectly capable of moving each forward and make a clean sweep of these events.
- 'France is a member of Phoenix': false propaganda! Contrary to some comments received, France is NOT a member of Phoenix, but of the Entente, an neutral alliance and has no connection with it!
About this, I take some words from Josh Frost, your President I have been respecting a lot during his first term, which I hope will be sufficiently rational to think again about the consequences of this war. Josh Frost said in the official statement :
My foreign policy is:
1. Reach out to disenchanted Phoenix nations and offer them an alternative.
I sincerely hope that your president will keep his promises. Even if France has received assistance from the United Kingdom (we were absolutely not in position to refuse), France is a country which for the month of October is proud to be neutral and independent. And despite our situation we do our best to stay! France is not in Phoenix and for the moment, really don't want to be!
However, the Polish and Spanish occupation (and recently American) on our land, you are bringing us to Phoenix because we have no other choice! In other words, we are neutral but YOU are sending us to your covenant enemy! It is completely illogical and goes against the policy proclaimed by Josh Frost! And this is based on any valid reason and no concrete goal! Why seek to destroy a country that is not your enemy?
We started off well, a few months ago to become more friendly, but now these acts (rather opportunistic, admit it!: P) are just ruining everything ...
American people, Mr. Josh Frost, it is still time to change your decision. I'm so disappointed by your behavior and my fellow citizens too. However, if you think about it for a second time and you act accordingly, you could make real friends for a long time!
😃(I really wanted to end my article with an happy smiley because France isn't crying, we are just perplexed... ok, I'm perplexed
😛)
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FRANCAIS
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Erepublik, bonjour,
J'ai dernièrement écrit un article dans votre presse afin de savoir réellement pourquoi les USA attaquent la France alors que nous ne sommes pas ennemis, non membres de Phoenix et que nos relations étaient dernièrement neutres et s'amélioraient. Je n'ai pas obtenu la réponse officielle que je souhaitais, j'en suis un peu déçu.
A la place, j'ai récupéré des commentaires de citoyens hargneux qui n'arrivent pas à s'accorder sur un motif unique, valable et cohérent. Sans grande difficulté, j'en ai conclu que les attaques des USA n'étaient pas vraiment justifiées et que ses habitants se cachent derrières de faux prétextes pour se donner bonne conscience.
Pourtant, chaque guerre à ses raisons, aussi bien IRL que IG. Prenons les derniers exemples de batailles :
Eden VS U.K : Revanche du départ du Royaume-Uni d'Atlantis (il-y-a très longtemps)
Peru VS Brézil : Le TO du Péru par les Polonais
Argentine VS Indonésie : Expulser l'Indonésie des régions High en Afrique du Sud
…..
Que ce soit économique, historique ou stratégique, il-y-a toujours une raison de déclarer la guerre à un pays. Dans notre cas, je réfléchis toujours d'avantage mais je n'en vois aucune de valable:
' Aider l'Espagne à garder ses conquêtes ' : Allez! La France compte moins de 8000 habitants et n'a plus d'argent. Pensez-vous vraiment que l'Espagne a besoin d'aide pour y parvenir? La Pologne s'en charge déjà suffisamment...
' Les USA ne veulent pas que la France aide le Royaume Uni à se défendre : Cet argument est totalement erroné, pour les mêmes raisons que celles précédemment évoquées. De plus, le RU compte 17 MPPs et est défendu par Phoenix. Selon cette logique, il faudrait que vous attaquiez tous les pays de cette alliance, surtout les plus forts...
' La vengeance de la WWII ': Non crédible. Pour nous c'était déjà une vengeance, puisque vous aviez orchestré le French Toast et vous le savez très bien. De plus, les traités de paix signés entre nos deux pays prouvent parfaitement que nous étions capables d'aller réciproquement de l'avant et de faire table rase de ces évènements.
' La France est membre de Phoenix ' : Propagande mensongère! Contrairement à quelques commentaires reçus, la France n'est PAS membre de Phoenix, mais de l'Entente, une alliance neutre et qui n'a aucun lien avec elle!
A propos de ceci, j'aimerais reprendre quelques mots de Josh Frost, votre président que j'ai beaucoup respecté lors de son premier mandat et qui, je l'espère, saura être suffisamment raisonné pour réfléchir à nouveau sur les conséquences de cette guerre. Josh Frost a dit, dans cette déclaration officielle :
My foreign policy is:
1. Reach out to disenchanted Phoenix nations and offer them an alternative.
2. Sway neutral countries over to the EDEN alliance
J'espère très sincèrement que votre président va tenir ses promesses. En effet, même si la France a reçu l'aide du Royaume-Uni (car n'était absolument pas en position de refuser), la France est un pays qui depuis le mois d'Octobre est fier d'être neutre et indépendant. Et malgré notre situation nous faisons notre possible pour le rester! La France n'appartient pas à Phoenix et ne le souhaite pas!
Cependant, l'occupation Polonaise et Espagnole (et récemment Américaine) sur nos terres nous pousse à aller vers Phoenix car nous n'avons pas d'autre choix! En d'autres termes, nous sommes neutres mais VOUS nous envoyer vers votre alliance ennemie!!! C'est totalement illogique et va à l'encontre de la politique que Josh Frost proclame!!! Et cela n'est basé sur aucune raison valable et aucun objectif concret! Pourquoi vouloir anéantir un pays qui n'est pas votre ennemi?
Nous étions bien partis il-y-a quelques mois pour nous entendre cordialement, mais voilà que ces actes (assez opportunistes, avouez le!
😛) viennent tout gâcher...
Peuple Américain, Monsieur Josh Frost, il est encore temps de changer votre décision. Je suis tellement déçu de votre comportement et mes concitoyens aussi. Cependant, si vous réfléchissez une seconde fois et que vous agissez en conséquences, vous pourriez vous faire de vrais amis pour longtemps!
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USA are imparialists and hypocrite. Nothing else to say but nice try, if the actual perdidency is more perspicate that could rule.
"une alliance neutre et qui n'a aucun lien avec elle!"
Tu y vas un peu fort là... On a de sacrés liens avec hein.
Et si on nous pousse vers PHOENIX, rien ne nous oblige à y aller non plus. Et puis ça m'étonnerait qu'elle veuille de nous...
Nya, t'as pas compris le but là 😉
whats wrong? france can sign peace with spain in the same conditions you wanted for USA when you attacked them.
France is no memeber of phoenix but you have alliance with hungary, russia, indonesia, brazil,....
... because we are trying to survive against Poland, USA, Spain and whole EDEN 😃
France, do you really know what's going on? France refused three peace treaties and broke two ceasefires.
The only choice left is to wipe France out to erase the MPPs.
That's what the President told me.
Its pretty simple.
US allied with Spain
Spain was getting pushed out due to Hungarian mpp
US then decides to help our ally because they have had trouble
not that hard
the us is not hypocritical impierialists we attacked France because there was a misstake and france was free to attack the us and block the united states from invadeing england any further
not saying france would have done it but it was possible. i wasnt backing the plan to invaded france either now or when spain invaded
i allways thought spain could make a deal with france spain could take 2 or 3 regions from france and call it even you know?
but then it turned in to a full scale war which was both fun and kinda sucked lol
well maybe when the UK is out of the way we can try and make a truce between Entente and Eden
id rather france be our buddys then enemys 😃
the us is not hypocritical impierialists we attacked France because there was a misstake and france was free to attack the us and block the united states from invadeing england any further
=> lol. You've see the situation in France? We've no money, no region, we're dead and you think we can block you? xD
@Aurelius: I really appreciate your answer. Probably the most intelligent I have received for the moment. But there is one false thing you sai😛 "and begged PHOENIx to forgive you." >>> We didn't. Really. And we are are still not begging anybody.
euh ... c'est moi ou il n'y a que des moches sur la photo ? 🙂
Vive la France et le Québec libre
"About Vengeance, eSpain is getting revenge on you for wiping it out."
They destroyed our hospital q5 isn't enough?
If it is because of MPP : believe me the Asturias iron is a bad experience (August 2009), I imagine that the US too.
It's just "defensive" MPP.
REMEMBER CANADA?
This must be a joke.
scotspirit one minute ago
REMEMBER CANADA?
> So why Canada didn't attack us? x_x
what is canada seriously ?
"They destroyed our hospital q5 isn't enough?"
You tell us. You NEVER accepted peace talks before or after Paris. It was obvously not enough for you.
EDEN could be hours ago from taking over your last region and resetting all those mpp´s.
Next time choose wisely your leaders.
However, once Upper Normandy falls, I hope we can give eFrance back her territory and finally be able to focus our attention on our real enemies: Phoenix.
@F.L.S After the Battle of Paris there is a Q5 hospital in North Calais 😕
After these months of war (bugs thank you, thank you Lyne, thank you admins) it become very hard and the USA are coming ...
"US allied with Spain"
No, US has become Spain's slave ... It's different.
France is slave of nobody.
When France think it's time to stop attack,
France don't obey blindness to an Alliance.
You had a piece of evidence, a few months ago.
We stopped attack on you, despite alliance's orders.
You are not any more the country of the freedom, it's time that we take back the Statue of Liberty for us. For it's REAL home.
this kind of language PHOENIX will not tolerate, we are all one!
we are brothers! france, you canot ask serbia and hungary for help and tomorow be friend with EDEN
France had to leave PEACE because you had no voice or vote with those gangsters.
Tried to appease US to avoid revenge, and never cared about other EDEN countries. Not enough.
tihomir bancov 6 minutes ago
this kind of language PHOENIX will not tolerate, we are all one!
we are brothers! france, you canot ask serbia and hungary for help and tomorow be friend with EDEN
=> We don't wanna be friend with Eden, never.
We just want to know why USA attack us.
Martinmalin: Are you retarded? US is not by any means Spains slave.
We are an alliance, we aren't doing Spains bidding we are helping them out.
When you help someone who asks for it, you arent their slave, you are their friend. Maybe you don't know the difference.
If we were Spains slave, then why would we have ended the war with France before?
Also: You forget that the US didn't want to invade France now. Its a preemptive strike. France denied three peace proposals and broke
two ceasefires. If you wanted your country, you wouldn't have done that.
Tihomir: They can do whatever they want its their country, I'm sure their grateful for the help but they can choose for themselves what road to take.
You are wrong : you can see USA want remove UK of the map, Spain want do the same with UK... Same motivation for these countries.
When a revenge is : we detroy you... muhahah epic win... sorry, but if a country says after, we can start the diplomacy.. it's not enought.
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new president -) new agression. Stop to be hypocrite.
The diplomaty will start when Efrance will be complety destroyed.
So easy...
Well I must say....
Thanks for (finally) some intelligent replies and remarks (especially Trent and Aurelius)
Nice to see there are people we can talk to instead of watching the usual "France fail" or "France must be crushed".
But really, I doubt we'll ever come back to have close relations with EDEN.
We tried, and look where it brought us.
eSpain invaded us, proposed unacceptable treaties of surrender and then asked for help from ePoland and eUSA to finish the job. Not to forget eSpain will never accept total peace. Just look at what their press is saying about the eFrench day after day.
EDEN just wants us cruched. Phoenix is helping us.
It maybe a bit too simple, but the reality is here.
So for americans, eFrance must accept the defeat when you or your allies win, but America didn't when we won, so fun ! We have refused an ashame "peace" treaty, like you during WWII. No difference.
And your "preventive war", in traditional american fashion, against us was totally unjustified, we were NEUTRALS, so if Phoenix asked us to attack you we didn't. Now it could be different, and it's your fault...
"proposed unacceptable treaties of surrender"
False. When Spain had HALF France conquered and was ready to assault Paris China mediated and a meeting was scheduled. Spain openly proposed either a TEMPORARY occupation of one of 2 France´s high wood regions or a one time pay in gold, in exchange for a retreat. Time or amount could and should be negotiated, and ceasefire would be inmediate.
France´s representatives never attended the meeting. That same day they had started begging Phoenix for some mpp´s, instead of facing reality, and shortly after lost Paris.
Tonight Phoenix has paid for 6 (so far) RW. That won´t save you either. We are going to reset those mpp´s.
honnetement, si tu veux que ton article garde un minimum de credibilite, ENLEVE CETTE PHOTO, par pitie !
@ m60a3tts (pick an easier name to copy next time please 😛)
You know eSpain always wanted to keep Aquitaine forever 🙂
And the meeting didn't quite happen like that....
Had Spain wanted Aquitaine we would have retreated after denying you from the use of hospitals and place an H5, a D5 and 3K citizens there. No way for France or Entente to get it back.
We never wanted that, we wanted revenge and fun. Now we want those mpp´s.
"Tonight Phoenix has paid for 6 (so far) RW. That won´t save you either. We are going to reset those mpp´s. "
Its going to be hard becouse the wall is 1 million high this time 🙂. If you open a new battle and somehow win that you have to look up tohe RWüs becouse we can hit any of them to zero and France is safe 🙂.
Bien dit mon gars. Voted
At this point eFrance needs to be wiped off the map. Unfortunately, those MPPs are too much of a liability for the eUS to ignore. Maybe with no regions left, your leadership will come to their senses and the negotiating tables and we can end this pointless war.
I was very pleased when then Pres. Frost made peace with France and had hopes of setting up a NAP or at least a state of benign neutrality between our nation and yours.
Just let it go... you can be sure that the eUS will demand terms that will see France back on the map with many of it's regions. The majority of our citizens are tired of eSpain's revenge escapades and harbor little ill will against eFrance. It's time to end this.
cry more 😃
Thank you Bloody Valentine. Maybe using the word begged was to strong. However, I was impressed upon by newspaper articles from eFrance, at the beginning of the eSpanish campaign, proclaiming that eFrance had learned its lesson and the president didn't speak for eFrance. Shortly later the president that had signed the deal with the eUS was thrown out of office. This was what I referring to. Maybe it wasn't fair to lable such things as begging, and perhaps the image seemed stronger from the perspective of an outsider reading the articles than it would have been otherwise.
My response: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/a-simplified-article-on-why-the-eus-is-attacking-efrance-1189361/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/a-si[..]/1/20
Belle mentalité de collabo, bravo.
Those who've been playing this game for too long are convinced that time goes by pretty fast on eRep. And one day, the US will find itself in a very bad situation, and believe me, this time France will not hesitate in hurting you guys.
France took its chances and refused to block the US during the last part of the NA campaign. Obviously, that was a huge mistake.
tihomer France is not a part of PHX, as much as Eden has pretty much been trying to destroy them, they are not part of PHX, they do however share a common foe.
Most US citizens can't even locate the USA on a map. Sad, they found us, random I presume.
"france was free to attack the us and block the united states from invadeing england any further"
You perfectly know we can't actually attack USA in one to one... we do have enough to do with Spain and Poland on our regions...
And you say we are with Phoenix now ... LOL , you just helped us to...
At first Entente was NOT with phoenix ( look at Ukraine's MPP ) but we had to sign MPP to fight again the whole EDEN forces... don't be so hypocrite...
The only one that could really attack you with MPP activated was UK and to attack them you didn't need to invade France, that's a false excuse...
And let me laugh, Spain wanted a huge amount of Gold to sign a peace treaty, you perfectly know we would have never signed ( Even if we wanted it, we couldn't pay... )
USA gives them a good feeling but they only show their imparialistic mind ( as IRL ? 🙂 )
I just find pity that after US/Canada -France peace treaty you help Spain to destroy completely a small country..
Frost was the president who tried to TO France in July...
What happen next => the big war where Canada and Spain disappear.
We did not aggress you first, you did it. We attacked you as an answer to your way of playing.
France was defensive, you made it offensive.
Now, our pride (Congressmen) and commitment to PEACE fooled us in September, when the French government wanted peace with Canada, USA and Spain...
Jacobi can attest it.
Now, we deserve this situation. It is to you to give us something to trust you and improve our relationship. If do not you want France with PHOENIX or any alliance which will fight against EDEN, give us, otherwise there will be another revenge and Canada, Spain and USA will lose all their territory once again.
As you know probably, History is a perpetual repetition of events. We can talk about a thousand years of war between England and France IRL...
"And let me laugh, Spain wanted a huge amount of Gold to sign a peace treaty, you perfectly know we would have never signed ( Even if we wanted it, we couldn't pay... )"
That´s BS. You had your chane and chose war, quit whining now. It´s not eUSA fault. Spain activated all Entente mpp´s and kicked your a$$ anyway; then you jumped into Phoenix arms; there´s no point in crying like a baby before eUSA.
"Its going to be hard becouse the wall is 1 million high this time 🙂."
Wall is 120k. 9 Hours ago I was the first to hit and was about 100k. All RW´s have between 60 and 120k walls also. We´´l see what happens in 14 hours, because EDEN will try to win all of them and Phoenix just have to tank in one.
I just saw meza's comment and I laught a lot.
Actually that is quite true 😁, when some americans from N-Y in politics studies told me that Senegal was in South America, I just fell and laught right in front of them.
Geography and History are not importants subject in America I guess 😛
Chaud l'image extra large qui rentre même pas dans mon écran large :hap:
This article is useless.
USA= ennemi
spain= ennemi
poland= ennemi
Whole Eden is our ennemi, our only goal is to erase them from erep map.
HAIL ENTENTE
HAIL PHOENIX
ps: personnaly i will never sign any agreement with spain/usa/poland...
Personally you can migrate now after losing upper Normandy.
Excelent job, eUSA. WTG.
EDEN should continue by defeating UK and then move against serbia and hungary.