Self-sufficiency, Co-dependency & Independence [eKosovo]
Janko Fran
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Self-sufficiency, Co-dependency, Independence, Freedom & Self-determination
Self-sufficiency
I play this game for 2 years (since eRep v1.) and although I haven't bought a single gold (yet), I have been investing all my gold I've earned into companies. I've built many companies myself or in joint ventures, I got some companies from Plato, I've given some away and I've sold some. Today I have 23 different companies and I am wondering how much is enough and how much of my normal daily needs do I produce?
Time to Draw a Line and Sum Things Up
So, let's see...
Daz Dillinger - Our Daily Bread
Daz Dillinger - Our Daily Bread
Daily needs
Daily you can spend and recover 2400 health points. (Not counting the candy bars or golden health packs.) You can also normally make 240 hits per day (Again, not counting the candy bars, and presuming that you are not going to work in your companies that day). If you use Q5 weapons, you can make 240 x 2.0 = 480 basic damage points (x your strength influence).
Weapons or Food... What are our Priorities ???
Weapons or Food... What are our Priorities ???
Daily production
But how much of these daily needs do you actually produce?
I did the math for myself:
Bread and fruits
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😛75 %
With 4 Q1 and 1 Q2 food company I produce 900 Q1 food equivalent, which is 1800/2400 health points per day or 75 % of my food needs. (Of course, this depends on number of resources my country gets, and currently we have only 1 food bonus resource.)
Grain
Food Raw Material: 76 %
With total of 7 FRM companies (3 Grain Farms and 4 Fisheries) I cover 911/1200 FRM, which makes 76 % of my daily needs.
Weapons: 27 % (or 61 % if we count food fights)
With a Q4 and a Q2 wep company, I make 13 Q4 and 13 Q2 weapons per day, which is enough only for 78 hits (out of possible 240 hits per day). That makes 13*4*1.8+13*2*1.4=130 basic damage points, which is 130/480 = 27 % of daily needs.
The remaining 162 hits I could use for FF (food or fist fights). That would make another 162 basic damage points or additional 34 %.
Combined I can get up to 61 % of my basic damage points.
Gun food
Weapon Raw Material: 63 %
With 9 WRM companies ranging from Iron Mine to Rubber Plantation I make 1514 of 2400 WRM (2400 WRM is needed to produce 48 Q5 weapons, which is enough for 240 hits per day). That covers 63 % of daily needs for WRM.
Total self-sufficiency: 69 %
My total self-sufficiency is the average of my self-sufficiencies in Food, Weapons, FRM and WRM production:
(0.75+0.76+0.61+0.63)/4= 0.69 = 69 %
Codependency in Relationships
Codependency
How codependent am I?
I did the math and realized that if I am going to hire employees, it is worth only in Q5 raw material companies (Rubber Plantation and Hunting Lodge) or in high Q manufacturing companies (Q5 and possibly Q4 weapons and food companies, of course, depending on resource bonuses and salaries on the job market).
eRepublik Co-dependency
Finally I have employed 5 employees in Q4 wep company and 5 employees in my Rubber plantation company.
Q4 Weapons:
Employees in my Q4 weapons company produce 13 * 5 Q4 Wep = 65 Q4 weapons, which is enough for 260 hits, or 260 * 1.8 = 468 basic damage points.
They also spend 5*520 WRM = 2600 WRM and 5*52 EGP = 260 EGP per day for salaries.
Total gain would be: 1624.35 - 766.35 - 260 EGP which makes equivalent of 24 Q4 wep (at average price of 24.99 EGP per Q4 wep, and 0.33 EGP for WRM).
Weapon raw materials:
My employees on Rubber Plantation company produce 325 * 5 WRM = 1625 WRM and also spend 260 EGP per day for salaries.
Total gain for WRM would be 536.25-260=276.25, which is equal to 837 WRM or additional 11 Q4 weapons.
The rich and the poor
The Rich and the poor
Additional weapons and WRM gains combined make another 35 Q4 weapons available for spending each day. That would be another 140 Q4 weapon hits free to spend (or 52 % of basic point damage).
So my codependency can be transformed into basic damage points (BDP):
CC = Codependency surplus in local currency / Price of Q5 weapons * 2.0
If we combine that with 13 Q4 and 13 Q2 weapons which I make, then it is enough for 140+52+26=212 hits or 192*1.8 + 26*1.4+ 22*1 = 382 basic damage points out of 480, which makes 80 % of basic damage points.
There is still some room for FF (food fights). I can still make 22 FF to get to 240 hits per day (if I for some reason decide not to work that day).
FF = (240-Number of hits from weapons produced by myself - Codependency hits)*1.0 = 22*1.0 = 22 BDP.
So that makes all together 382+22=404 BDP out of 480, which is 84 % of my daily needs for weapons.
How rich or poor am I in total?
(0.75 + 0.76 + 0.84 + 0.63)/4 = 0.75 = 75 %
Rich and poor gap
So in total I can cover 75 % of my needs. That still makes me poor. And I believe that there are very few people who are rich, that is, can cover their basic needs, both in eRep and in RL.
The Guess Who - Rich World Poor World
The Guess Who - Rich World Poor World
Public International Poll
Q1: How much percent of daily needs of food do you produce?
A1: {Number of Q1 food equivalent / 1200}
Q2: How much percent of daily basic damage do you make?
A2: {Sum (Number of Wep x Wep Q x (1+ 0.2xQ)}
Q3: How much percent of daily needs of food raw materials do you produce?
A3: {Total FRM / 1200}
Q4: How much percent of daily needs of weapon raw materials do you produce?
A4: {Total WRM / 2400}
Q5: How self-sufficient are you?
A5: {(A1 + A2 + A3 + A4)/4}
Q6: How rich or how poor are you in total?
A6: (A1 + A2 + CC + FF + A3 + A4)/4 = 0.75 = 75 %
Oh, yes, and of course, one more question:
Q7: Would you like to see eKosovo in the game as independent country?
A7: Yes or no?
Kosovo Flag
eKosovo in eRepublik
Personally, I'd say, yes; why not, it would be very interesting to see that. It would add some more resources to the game and fighting over them would make this game more interesting. And it would definitely put the strongest eRep nation to stress and endurance test. But that is only my opinion, and it is on you to decide for yourself.
Independence or
Freedom and Self-determination vs. Force
In RL independence is a matter of freedom and self-determination. In general if people of some region, in this case Kosovo, decide (or have decided) that independence is what they want, then it is only force that can make them stay in their former state or country (in this case Serbia). However, that can not be enforced forever, only for a certain period of time, and even if it does happen, then it has very little to do with freedom and human rights. The same principle applies to Palestine, or Northern Ireland, Catalonia and Scotland if you want. The only difference between Palestine and Scotland for example is that Scots haven't decided to become independent from the UK (yet) as they still feel that they have more reasons, perhaps mostly economical, to stay in the UK than to declare independence from it. The big countries like UK, Spain, Romania or Serbia and many others have fear of that happening to them, and it is only fear which keeps them from recognizing such states like Kosovo or Palestine.
However, as once was sai
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Freedom cannot be given... It can only be taken away.
by David Allan Coe
(Or it can be won).
That's why (as someone once said):
Freedom is never free.
Faithfully yours,
Janko Fran
P.S. For our Serbian readers I recommend this great article from eRepublik archive:
Ekskluzivni Intervju sa eKosovom
It's written over a year ago and it still holds for the most of things said in it.
Addendum:
I found a very interesting statement by a player calle
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maverick10 Dodge Knight: Its a simple retention tactic by Admin, made to look 'fair' to the eRep community; in truth they've simply been blackmailed by the Serb pop. lol
Historical Reasons
Thanks to Hostilian and his comments, I did some research of Kosovo history and have checked his claim that "Kosovo was Serbia for the last 15 centuries."
If you look at wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo) or any other page which describes Kosovo history chronologically, you can make a summary of Kosovo history through (military) occupation and control of different forces during the history. More or less precisely it would look like this:
-160BC-476 [636 years] Roman Empire (Italy)
500- 850 [350 years] Byzantium (Greece) 350
850-1018 [168 years] Bulgarian empire (Bulgaria) 168
1018-1190 [172 years] Byzantine/Serbian/Bulgarian Empire (Greece/Serbia/Bulgaria)
1190-1389 [199 years] Rascia (Serbia) 199
1389/1455-1912 [523 years] Ottoman Empire (Turkey) 523
1912 [1 year] Montenegro (Montenegro) 1
1913-1915 [3 years] Serbia (Serbia) 3
1916-1918 [3 years] Bulgaria/Austro-Hungary (Bulgaria/Austria) 3
1918-1929 [10 years] Serbia/Kingdom SHS (Serbia) 10
1929-1941 [12 years] Yugoslavia (Serbia) 12
1941-1944 [4 years] Italy/Albania/Bulgaria/Germany 4
1944 [1 year] Albania/Yugoslavia (Serbia) 1
1945-1990 [45 years] Yugoslavia (Serbia) 45
1990-1995 [5 years] Independence Republic of Kosovo/Serbia 5
1996-1998/1999 [3 years] Serbia/Kosovo war Serbia 1.5 Kosovo 1.5
1999 [1 year] USA/NATO intervention -Serbian troups withdrawal Nato 0.5 Serbia 0.5
2000 UNMIK
1999-2008 [10 years] UNMIK and KFOR UN/NATO 10
2006-2008 [3 years] Talks about Kosovo status (failed in 200
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2008-2011 [4 years] Kosovo Independence 4
If we simplify it a bit and assign different empires, kingdoms and states to their modern successors, this would, more or less, sum up to this:
Italy 636+4 = 640
Turkey 523 = 523
Greece 350+86 = 436
Serbia 43+199+3+10+12+1+45+2.5+1.5+0.5 = 317.5
Bulgaria 168+43+3+1 = 215
NATO 0.5+10 = 10
Kosovo 2.5+1.5+4 = 8
Germany 1 = 4
Austria 1.5 = 3
Albania 2 = 2
Montenegro 1 = 1
2159.5
So, over 2000 years of history makes historic reasons for not one, but 10 countries to behave possessively to Kosovo. And there is only 6 stars on the flag of Kosovo, representing different nations there today. Kosovo's total population is estimated between 1.9 and 2.2 million with the following ethnic composition: Albanians 92%, Serbs 4%, Bosniaks and Gorans 2%, Turks 1%, Roma 1%. Can they live together there in peace and who can secure that all feel well there? Albanians or Serbs?
EDIT - Conclusion
I've started with this article dealing mostly with e-economical issues, mentioning the eKosovo question only at the end; as it is very actual, so I thought it would be more interesting and it could attract more attention.
Of course I got rather strong response and exchanged many ingame messages mostly with players from eSerbia, which made me realize one thing of which I was not fully aware. For Serbs the question of Kosovo is mostly sentimental issue; because their history is based on a myth. They are aware that there is not much they can do about Kosovo and they are probably aware that Kosovo is lost for Serbia most likely forever.
However, in fact Kosovo is independent (at least from Serbia), although some countries didn't recognize that fact yet.
One More Possible Scenario
I'd add one more possible scenario regarding adding eKosovo to eRepublik. I didn't want to mention it before the poll takes place, in order to minimize the possibility of influencing its results. Anyway, here we have two colliding interests and it is only a matter of which one will prevail. The one is admin's need for money (not to say greed, someone could be insulted, but it's expensive to develop games these days). The other is Serbian stubbornness and sentimentality about Kosovo (and Metohija). As the situation develops, it seems to me that eSerbian lobby is too strong in this game (even for Admins) so I'll mention it here.
There is a possibility for eKosovo to be added as part of Serbia until the day eKosovo is recognized by 100 UN members (currently 81 + Taiwan) and fully accepted to the UN. Then eKosovo's status could be changed to independent country. In this way RL history could be repeated in eRepublik ([e-]Serbia losing [e-]Kosovo (once) again). How would Serbs feel if that happens (again)?
The only question is what will prevail, pragmatism and need for money (greed?) or Serbian stubbornness, steadfastness and sentimentality about Kosovo? Which one looks more promising for eRepublik future? Honestly, none of these looks very promising to me, but future always finds a way to surprise us, don't you think?
Faithfully yours,
Janko Fran
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Comments
Dinomaxx
No eKosovo without ePalestine!
Q7 - Kosovo and Metohija only as part of eSerbia.
End of story.
free eKosovo from Serb imperialistic pretensions
Kosovo and Metohija is Serbian.
Q1: How much percent of daily needs of food do you produce?
A1: 75 %
Q2: How much percent of daily basic damage do you make?
A2: 27 %
Q3: How much percent of daily needs of food raw materials do you produce?
A3: 76 %
Q4: How much percent of daily needs of weapon raw materials do you produce?
A4: 63 %
Q5: How self-sufficient are you?
A5: 60 %
Q6: How rich or how poor are you in total?
A6: 73 % (poor)
Q7: Would you like to see eKosovo in the game as independent country?
A7: Yes.
Q7 - Kosovo and Metohija only as part of eSerbia.
End of story. x2
And what about Q1-Q6?
@Janko Fran
This is a public, false propaganda!
Media war, information has been falsified in order to fueled many players to surrender the idea of quasi state!!
un -subscribe !
KOSOVO IS SERBIA !
KOSOVO JE SRBIJA !
Kosovo is SERBIA!!!
end
Q7 - Kosovo and Metohija only as part of eSerbia.
End of story. x3
I produce 100% of all my needs. Who say that I need to use all FF that is at my disposal.
Like we would say: cover how big is your blanket (pokri se koliko ti je velik pokrivač).
If you don't have enough to cover all the FF and to buy weapons for that then you need to invest more money to industry and your companies, simple as that. Fight is optional, not mandatory.
Unsub, izvini mislim da ti nikakve veze nemas sa Kosmetom.....
v&s
I'm covering all my daily needs, what means that I fight as much as I can produce, plus goods received through donations. So, I think I'm rich xD
And yes, I'm voting for free Kosovo...
No eKosovo without ePalestine!
A7: Yes
kosovo is free state and that is true end of story
Palestine is a free state and that is true end of story.
If Kosovo is free, Palestine is free.
Q1-Q6 pokrivam 100% svoje potrebe u foodu.. proizvodam i visak koji prodajem i za koji kupujem tenkove.
Proizvodim dovoljno oruzja da se uvijek mogu boriti s oruzjem, ali preferiram q5 wep.
KOSOVO IS A COUNTRY..KOSOVO IS NOT SERBIA!!!
Q1: How much percent of daily needs of food do you produce?
A1: 87%
Q2: How much percent of daily basic damage do you make?
A2: 92%
Q3: How much percent of daily needs of food raw materials do you produce?
A3: 75%
Q4: How much percent of daily needs of weapon raw materials do you produce?
A4: 66%
Q5: How self-sufficient are you?
A5: 80%
Q6: How rich or how poor are you in total?
A6: 80%
Q7: Would you like to see eKosovo in the game as independent country?
A7: Not mine do decide...
Kosova is free state and that is true end of story.
slobodno Kosovo
I don't fight 240 times per day--I have 11 companies of my own, plus one employer company I work for, and I train (usually basic only), so there goes 130 health. I generally fight around 100~120 times a day, so my total food consumption (including work/train) is around 1200~1300. I have 2 Q2 food companies, and the raw materials I produce is about 75% of daily needs, but I overproduce food, so I can sell and buy the necessary food raw materials to keep the food factories running, plus keep some profit.
Weapons production is a little trickier, depends on how many times I fight a day with Q5. I only fight with Q5, so my 12/day (or 15 with increased production) isn't enough for 100 fights, but I can hire a helper to produce an additional 12 / day for about 120 JPY (around 0.12 gold), and then I have more than enough, plus my weapons raw material companies generally generate the necessary amount to sustain this.
tl;dr - I am basically totally self-sufficient, rarely if ever use monetary markets (currencies destroyed by Platobot), have very little interaction with players in-game, except through limited article comments like this. eRep has became a BOOOOOOOORING spreadsheet simulator with little personality.
eKosovo may or may not be part of eSerbia, it doesn't really matter. With the declining player base (now under 200k and far fewer active/non-multis), the last thing eRep needs is another new country (which just turns into PTO-land anyway).
slobodno Kosovo
QAAWIM YAA AYUHAL KOSAVAR!!!
free kosovo
Kosovo was Serbia for the last 15 centuries. Today it is NATO occupied territory of Serbia. Tomorrow it will be NATO-free region Serbia again.
Okinawa is Japan, Zagorje is Croatia, Provance is France, Tuscany is Italy and Kosovo is Serbia.
v+s
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-lifethinker-1-1874790/1/20
lifethinker strength over 7k. Free bread to everyone!
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dont have any idea about metohija but kosovo is kosovo.. kosovo has their own congress and most of the population support independence.. its enough for me to say KOSOVO IS KOSOVO..
And how about Republic of Srpska Krajna? They wanted independence from Croatia too. But all they got is etnical cleaning.
How can you decide who does my street belongs to? And what reason other than pure trolling and acting maliciously against Serbs do you have?
F off Kosovo and Metohija, you had other views about Krajina Serbs' right to self-determine their faith.
@Optimus Prajm aka jebpreprv
If I was going to be ironic, I'd say that they got what they provided.
But actually, they have evacuated, that's all. Simple as that. And I hope you know it. Everything else is pure propaganda. Your account proves that. However, if they stayed, it could have been another story...
Why have they evacuated? Perhaps there was an earthquake, or tsunami?
Or perhaps, they remembered WWII genocide over their mothers and fathers...
@Mare Magare
Why have they evacuated? That's really a good question. And you should ask that the Serbian leaders who have ordered the evacuation. My guess is that they had some other plans, perhaps to move Serbian population where it was important to them, for instance to Republic Srpska in BiH or in Vojvodina or in Kosovo. In all these regions Serbs had troubles to make majority.
If they could blame Croats for that, then even the better.
The alternative explanation would be that they evacuated out of fear. However, I don't remember Croats deserting Vukovar and Dubrovnik or people of Bosnia&Herzegovina deserting Sarajevo during constant shelling and bombing over several months. Are perhaps Serbs cowards? That is not their reputation, but I am starting to wonder...
Kosovo mora ostati slavenska zemlja
nije kosovo nego HOSovo...
So feeble running from the slaughter are cowards? I remember rumors of hundreds of thousands of Croatian refugees in past wars. Are they cowards, with only heroes living in Vukovar and Dubrovnik?
And answer my first question, what reason other than trolling do you have to support independent eKosmet? I can see many fair Croats resisting to that hypocrisy, why don't you too?
Optimus Prajm aka jebpreprv Day 1,413, 02:58
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Mare Magare Day 1,413, 03:04
1h 2m ago
In 1974 the nations and nationalities of Yugoslavia through the constitution defined the status of the republics and autonomous provinces. According to the constitution of the autonomous province of Vojvodina and Kosovo have cultural autonomy, bilingual signage and education to the majority language in these provinces (Hungarian, Croatian in Vojvodina, and Albanian in Kosovo ). Also republics and autonomous provinces that make up the federation republics in Yugoslavia have the right to self-determination and secession from the federation of republics, or Yugoslavia. "Republic of Serbian Krajina", was never defined as a special region with any dokument declared in SFRJ , and as such does not legally exist, nor has it ever existed. Hence the declaration of independece "Republic of Serbian Krajina" was legally unfounded, .....
Interesting article. Voted. I think it would be nice if the eworld could evolve from the real world one. So if epalestine wants to be created, it could. If erep admins could add a region of west bank and gaza, and rename jerusalem district to 'West Jerusalem District' then this could take place.
My only fear of adding kosovo is the endless stream of mind numbing slogans that we here greeks and fyrommers going on about. Sadly with the death of ideology, all that is left if petty nationalist sounds bites.
[Aminta] Exclusively, Plato's plans for Kosovo!
"eKosovo is… ?" NO MAN'S LAND?!
http://tinyurl.com/aboutKosovo
Kosovo DO NOT deserve to be FREE. Kosovo IS SERBIA. Serbian people and culture so stop making stupid Advertisments.If kosovo become independent here on this game he will be captured immediately from our side or from the mothers land and that is SERBIA. sorry for the bad english.
@ dinosauruss i think your english is fine. Your lame-arsed petty nationalism, however, is predictable and boring. Ask yourself. What does this REALLY mean. This national pride based on contested histories of blood and pain. Why do we hold on to such false stories, written by others to satisy their own narrow political agendas? Stop being Pawn in the political games of others and devise a mind and set of values for your own. It will set you free of so much hate and misunderstanding.
@Donosauruss
I Agree with Kafka. No mantras or paroles like this:
"A does not deserve to be B." or "A is C.",
will help in this discussion.
I don't see any strong arguments from your side.
@Aminta Makedonecot
[Aminta] "eKosovo is… ?" NO MAN'S LAND?!
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-aminta-quot-ekosovo-is-hellip-quot-no-man-039-s-land--1874484/1/20
That's a good article, I'd only add to this that people from every region could decide where would they like their region to belong to (something like a political RW during the elections dates).
@Mare Magare, please read the article and my comments once again. I believe I was clear and I already answered your questions.
Kada das mali prst, dok trepnes ode cela saka! To kosovo nije pitanje samo danas i juce, to kosovo se postavilo samo a pitace se i sutra!
free eKosovo from Serb imperialistic pretensions
Q1: How much percent of daily needs of food do you produce?
A1: 50%
Q2: How much percent of daily basic damage do you make?
A2: 140% - Jeli ovo uopce moguce? xD
Q3: How much percent of daily needs of food raw materials do you produce?
A3: 65%
Q4: How much percent of daily needs of weapon raw materials do you produce?
A4: 40 %
Q5: How self-sufficient are you?
A5: 74 %
Q6: How rich or how poor are you in total?
A6: 74 %
Oh, yes, and of course, one more question:
Q7: Would you like to see eKosovo in the game as independent country?
A7: Yes !
Kosovo is Serbia! a region of another state cannot be represent as an state itself!
If we talk about de jure status, Kosmet is part of Serbia, although disputed by minority of UN members.
If we talk about de facto status of RL Kosmet, it is Serbian province under NATO occupation since 1999.
Where is "independent Kosovo" you talk about Janko?
So, I ask you again: Who are you to decide about Kosovo and Metohija? It is my backyard! You are incompetent and unqualified to judge on that matter.
All answers you offer are based on ignorance, which you maintain through comments. I don't need to meet people like you, online or in RL, ever. You are the reason why we will all quit this game some time soon.