[EN] Final Destination
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As many of you asked for an English version of my latest article, here it comes -- as a separate article, since putting it in the original one would extend the eR limits
😉.Thanks to Wisniowiecki, you can also read it in Hungarian. Bulgarian readers can enjoy a translation made by Netso and chukcha. Here you can find it in Russian.
The original version contains approx. 6 A4 pages and is available only in Polish.
If you by any chance become sick while reading longer texts, please push the button “back”.
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Diplomacy in eRepublik usually requires actions hidden in secret IRC channels and rarely happens on eR press.
Keeping most of actions taken by governments secret, leads to possible manipulations of the facts in order to present them in the favorable (or not) light, depending on the intentions. For example, the president of country XYZ crowned himself in public as the King of the Backyard, but ‘forgot’ to mention to his citizens that he owes someone 1300 g for several months. There was a rule in our alliance: we settle all arguments and misunderstandings on IRC. Similar guidelines work in Phoenix.
How is it possible, that internal flame wars in PHX stay on IRC (i.e. whining against country H for not providing suitable help in the battle erasing country S from the map), yet everyone can admire our internal problems in the media? Well, something seems to be wrong
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Usually (and often rightly) the leadership is blamed for such problems. But what to do, when the leadership 2.0 not only failed to stop the waves of ‘EDEN FAIL’ articles, written by EDEN citizens, but even increased their number?
It seems that the roots of our EDEN tree are being bitten by pests other than just the 'bad leaders'.
What did EDEN try to achieve?
The purpose of the state in international relations is primarily to meet its own needs. Foreign policy, therefore, reflects the interests of the nation. This permanent war is won by those who are able to persuade others to adopt certain behaviors. It is not a problem at the level of the alliance, if the allies share a common goal.
Such a goal for EDEN was to remove PEACE’s presence from North America. We all played like a clockwork then – the need for a common defense made EDEN really speak as one voice. The alliance had a certain right to call itself a true ‘Brotherhood’.
However the moment came, when Alaska, Manitoba and Nunavut returned to their rightful owners. We had to set a new goal – and that was to take back the PHX/PEACE high iron regions in Asia in December of 2009.
Grinch – I will beat all of you before Christmas
I am still amazed by the truly marvelous preparations for the Asian operation taken primarily by the American diplomacy. They began in the days when the Hungarians were fortifying their American regions.
The US in Asia played an amazing diplomatic game, which led to cooperation with India and China and the K.O. of diplomacy of countries such as Hungary, Iran and Indonesia. Nevertheless, the first attempt to pass through Japan failed in Kyushu. Something in EDEN stopped working properly at that moment. Romania and Greece claimed, that they had found a much better way to Asia in Turkey. Since the operation was just impossible to perform, several stronger EDEN countries took the long-awaited opportunity and attacked their neighbors.
Every single operation other than USA-in-Asia was not supported by EDEN HQ. The HQ however couldn’t have ordered the respective president to hold their fire, as the presidents, not HQ, enjoy the privileges such as having the necessary buttons and legitimacy of the population – so they decide.
As a result, 5 countries: Spain, Romania, Greece, Poland and Croatia activated powerful Phoenix MPPs. From this lovely menu, only Poland had a serious, achievable plan (leaving Syddanmark as a last region, that was changed during the invasion), only Spain didn’t activate a Hungarian MPP, only Croatia managed to finish Slovenia quickly, only Greece had not move too far and only Romania lost some significant core regions.
This is the period I consider to be crucial for the dissolution of the 'Brotherhood' part in 'Brotherhood of EDEN'.
'Brotherhood' is solidarity and comradeship presented the other side regardless of the circumstances. It should be natural and authentic. Was this so-called Brotherhood presented in December? On one hand, the official justifications for the small invasions were goo
😛PHX damage had been split, we all had our baby booms etc.
But what happens when we look at those things from a different perspective?
From the diplomatic side, everyone failed, more or less, as it was really rare when a MoFA managed to bring some allied help for an open battle. The coordination was tragic at some moments (‘Hey, we have just tanked down an 800k wall, see that!’, ‘…Yea, but why no one cared to mention you were going to do that..?’). The cooperation was just fatal (I remember a visit paid on #af by one of ZDRUG commanders and his bitter disappointment at the lack of support to invade Slovenia; the attack itself, by the way, was completely spontaneous). The propaganda was, of course, ‘excellent’
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What happened to the common goals? Well, take a look at the Serbian bridge to Asia and HK still shining in the Hungarian crown and just answer.
What is the problem of EDEN?
If I had to name it, I would say that EDEN proved to be unable to carry out offensives. After the first lost battle in Kyushu, the unity of minds simply disappeared. All major countries ate their neighbors for breakfast instead of focusing on a long-term goal: to strip Phoenix out of its sources of gold and rush to the offensives after that happens.
Why were we unable to be an offensive alliance? Well, that can be explained by a long and exhaustive defensive war somewhere overseas. We can also bring the obvious fatigue caused by being in defense for so long. In my opinion, however, the cause lies elsewhere: we have different definitions of ‘fun’ and different national interests. Surely, everyone wanted to strip the Hungarians out of HelloKitty. Additionally, everyone wanted to have a war for fun and a baby boom.
I do not know whether it’s possible to fulfill the wishes of such a large group of countries, in which each one, regardless of the size, has an equal voice. For a sense of 'brotherhood' in EDEN, December was, despite the stunning victories in Paris, Saarland, Lionking, Marmara or Prekmurje, a bitter pill to swallow. The departure of obviously hurt Romania and nearly blackmailing EDEN HQ by Canada (a withdrawal of all representatives until the invasion on UK is performed), were severe beatings. The concept of the transformation of EDEN to EDElaNtis by creating a presidential council, not only would bring the good, old ATLANTIS problems back on board, but also paralyze the decision-making process in times, when the situation in eRepublik changes several times a day. Organizing the HQ elections twice in one week is a big question mark for the current solidarity inside the alliance.
We can add an unsuccessful invasion on the UK, which in theory could not have been lost and was meant to last only 3 days. The actions of countries however showed that the ambitions of countries can spoil even the best military plan (Canadian president conquered Scotland, which effectively deleted Norway and her MPPs from the ongoing invasion; The US leaders were reluctant towards Poland gaining a high iron region for the sake of iron prizes and thus rescheduled a planned attack on London).
The bad leadership was finally changed and, surprise, the problems, such as opposite interests and bad communication, were not eliminated. We have all seen it yesterday, when Croatia did not receive sufficient help and as a result lost her ticket to the Western Europe (edit: yes, WE -> Asia). Who is to blame this time? Ugly HQ, lazy western part of the alliance, sleeping Americans, eastern lobby seeing Turkey as the only right way to Asia or perhaps Croatia itself, for feeling secure with over 400k points of wall? I guess all mentioned parties carry a little bit of fault.
All of this has happened before
History shows that empires are formed and eventually fall. It is also true when we think in terms of alliances instead of states. Looking at EDEN, the alliance is slowly dying, collapsing under its own weight. Phoenix, which was originally supposed to be a small alliance of the strongest PEACE countries (only that everyone invited a friend, which lead to PEACE 2.0), has similar problems.
The question is whether we, considering the approaching changes in version 2.0 and the common disheartenment towards the current eWorld order, are going to repeat the history once again and build another alliance on the ruins of EDEN, which will start as a mini-EDEnlaNtis and after half a year grow into a power inviting half of the world in.
I do not know, if a better solution wouldn’t be simply… to mix the EDEN-PHX teams and create bunch of smaller alliances, members of which would be connected by some realistic goals.
In smaller alliances, at least the problem of the direction of expansion would be limited. Taking Greece as an example – what’s the main goal of Greece? To destroy Turkey. That does not particularly correspond to the national interests of Sweden, which, because of the geographical location, is much more interested in Germany or the United Kingdom. Who then would make a better partner for Greece? For example, Bulgaria, which doesn’t share a warm relationship with Turkey and right now can forget about any expansion to the north.
At the moment it seems that the EDEN and Phoenix are held together simply because no one can afford to withdraw from an alliance and loose MPPs while the opposite superpower still exists.
An obvious obstacle in this rather utopian vision is clearly the eRepublik history. Would Hungary leave Serbia for an alliance with Poland? I do not think so. There would be a mass of voices: ‘Hey, Hungarians, we invaded Croatia together so many times and now what, you just leave us?’. Would it be possible for Serbia and Croatia to become allies? Probably not so much.
Despite it all, it’s always nice to dream that the diplomatic efforts one day will be able to change the somewhat worn formula of the game. What would happen if Poland, Spain, Croatia, Hungary and Serbia broke free of the burden of the history and formed an alliance together?
For me, that’s the sound of the REAL FUN in eRepublik.
Special thanks to Clemens for correcting my language mistakes o7
The real subject is whether the transformation from bipolarity to multipolarity in er is needed atm, so please stick to the topic in your comments
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Comments
To international😃!
vołted do internaszynal!: D
international jak byk
Votado i do international 🙂
jak by był Adds do tego artykułu 2 minuty i by już był w international imo 😃
Once again, awesome art.
Votado!
Oh, now that final sentence makes sense 🙂
Vote!
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Why Croatia?
What about Indonesia, Russia, Brazil, Turkey, Argentina?
@TheSixthPandava -> you mean the example alliance at end of article?:3 - It's just example of what regional alliance could look like (all countries are in one region >_<😉
nice idea, ving !
keep trying 😃
//Manedhel
Agreeable wall of text 😉
Every eRep veteran will agree that those giant alliances have been boring for quite a while..
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"The US leaders were reluctant towards Poland gaining a high iron region for the sake of iron prizes and thus rescheduled a planned attack on London)."
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That's news to me *rolleyes*
No idea where you got that from..
Just look at the damage stats for the NoB battles to see how eagerly the US helped Poland.
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"We have all seen it yesterday, when Croatia did not receive sufficient help and as a result lost her ticket to the Western Europe."
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In order to receive help, you have to ask and coordinate the efforts.
We, for one, were not asked for help or included in any coordination.
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what about a booming egermany? Currently forming taskforces and cells to infiltrate great forens, blogs communites and building up contact this the press? That would sound like fun😁 100k Germans would be really fun😁
""We have all seen it yesterday, when Croatia did not receive sufficient help and as a result lost her ticket to the Western Europe."
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In order to receive help, you have to ask and coordinate the efforts.
We, for one, were not asked for help or included in any coordination."
huh,then our prez is a liar
to who should i trust? >.<
Jak mówiłem, eng i do inernational! 🙂
TRUST NO ONE!
so what, i nthe past Brasil was sending troops to aid USA invasion to Canada ( that failed)
rany nie chcę mi się tego czytać x_x fajne to ? XD
rany nie chcę mi się tego czytać x_x fajne to ? XD
Tak, zavotuj i sprawdź PL wersję, pełną, koniecznie (na pw musisz do Vin napisać)
"huh,then our prez is a liar
to who should i trust?"
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I can just tell you what I know, TT.
The eUS military was not asked for help or included in any coordination regarding these battles.
I can't tell you what was going on at a political / diplomatic level, though.
Without coordination or in other words without sharing a plan and asking for specific assistance it is hard to provide any solid help.
I see this mainly as a shortcoming of EDEN HQ which apparently lacks a lot of internal communication.
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The US <3 Croatia and I fought with some personal Q5s in the Croatian battles.
yea,i know all that sh*t(i was a vMoD few months ago 😃),but anyway,it is sad to see eden acts nowadays...eden act like a strong,muscle stupid man without a brain XD
i'd say that croatia lost that battle due to incompetent leadership in the first place(although they say that they knew about that incoming penix action and called alliance for help,i think they realized that aprox 2 hours b4 the end of the battle) and partly due to mess in the eden nowadays
honestly,i dont give a fck if croatia lost the opportunity to take high iron(cuz croatia is a country constantly ruined by her incompetent leadership)
i regret cuz EDEN lost the opportunity to take iron from serbia and hungary(lets be honest,only croatia can take those 2 regions from the phoenix arms due to activated MPPs for now,at least until poland grow up 😁 )
ps ye,i saw u on that "tank" channel XD
sry for my bad english
Spain received notice of the incoming attack at t-40. If we had 2 hours time then we would have had time to do twice the damage we did
Maybe we need to make some major changes, starting with EDEN, EDEN times may have finished and that not means the end of all, just we need to rearrange some things here, to rearrange our concepts, and start again with something new that can work and not with a dead body as EDEN is atm, or at least this is what I feel about the current alliance EDEN is.
I think that sooner or later we will get Croatia into western europe. It's sad that we missed this opportunity now because of lack of support in austria, but its not lost and personally i see some option that will bring Croatia to the west.
No items, Fox only, Final Destination!!!
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My opinion about small groups in EDEN
Brolliance: Northern America
Northern: Poland, Spain, Scandinavia, maybe Croatia (if it want's this playground)
Southern: Romania, Greece, maybe Croatia
Maybe uf EDEN HQ made a cell responsible for every geographical region (as it's normal in big companies - which we can say that EDEN is a bit similar to) taking actions would take less time (also with less problems with time difference and better understanding of the region).
There a lot of possibilities but I think that for some people it's hard to think outside the box
@empee - You are absolutely right!
Eden is too large, each State takes care of their own interests. We need an idea how to coordinate this. What is needed is initiative.
What would happen if ePoland, eRomania, eCroatia, eHungary and eSerbia broke free of the burden of the history and formed an alliance together? I believe that would be so much fun...and the rest of the world would slowly dissapear.
Then eSpain would be erased from the map and such outrageous statements would not exist from former EDEN HQ member.
@empee
i don't think so. In beta, there were few local alliances, and all of them fall, becouse they weren't very effective.
@Defender Of Faith Reloaded -- Oh god, I need to clarify that again: it's been a month since I resigned from EDEN HQ, long before any roundtables (which, by the way, are not going to happen in the shape presented in the infamous doc).
Seems you disagree with me, which is fine, as freedom of speech is absolute. Please keep in mind though, that my former work doesn't exclude me from speaking my mind freely.
Looks like international trolling 🙂
Where you have trolling here?;3
good article...i really enjoyed it. there could be lots of if but we just have to wait and see.
good trolling
Great insight into a complex issue. 100% agree.
I is a pleasure to have such bright and intelligent people playing this game along with me 🙂
Very good article, it would be great to such fun as a crash of bi-polarity.
Regards,
Rednif Tap from Ukraine.
Maybe it's time to have EDEN become a large defensive alliance, and then have countries within EDEN form smaller, mostly autonomous offensive alliances.
Smaller alliances can coordinate easier than large alliances, but by keeping the larger alliance in tact as a defensive alliance we simultaneously keep ourselves protected from attack and provide the smaller offensive alliances an incentive to cooperate.
EDEN thrived as a defensive alliance, I think the brotherhood of EDEN can be preserved even while smaller alliances spring up to handle offensive operations.
spamer
Voted, enough with the huge alliances.
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voted sir, i've bein gsaying that for a moment now 🙂
I don't like eHungary - that's all
Excellent article 🙂
nice article mate!
"Hey, Hungarians, we tried to invade Croatia together so many times and (FAILED ALWAYS) now what, you just leave us?"
Fixed 🙂