The Economist ~ Thoughts on Kosovo
Spite313
Dear friends,
I have always hesitated to approach such a difficult issue as Kosovo, and in my opinion such RL things are totally irrelevant to this game. However, the admins make their money from aggravating racial tension IRL for profits, so I feel like it has been thrust on us all. In a few days there will be a war over Kosovo between the supporters of the Serbian people and the supporters of the Albanians. It is nothing more than a deliberate attempt to split friends and allies, to make people hate for no reason.
Almost sixty percent of all the ethnic Albanians in the world live outside of Albania. That is why, when the call came to introduce Albania, there was such a rising: People standing up around the world, declaring “I am Albanian” and fighting for its introduction. So what will we end up with? A state founded on nationalist principles; another hotbed of war in the Balkans; more gold buyers; more money for the admins.
In all the time I have played this game I have worked closely with the Serbian community. Despite the fact our countries have been in a technical state of war twice in the last twenty years, we have never once had that brought up. We are here to build a new world, not dredge up the remnants of the old. When Serbia was added to the map, a lot of people in Serbia asked “Where is Kosovo?” I breathed a sigh of relief that it hadn’t been added- that it would remain an issue which simply was not raised. Some Serbs will say that Kosovo should be part of Serbia because of legal definitions, or RL recognition. I accept those arguments. However I would rather not have it in the game at all.
In the eUK we tried to build a tolerant, multicultural society. People from all over the world went there because of our native language being a bit of a lingua franca. In the rest of the eWorld the Dutch and the Polish might be mortal enemies, in the eUK they are British and brothers and accepted as such without question. In my opinion that is the ideal for any country- to ditch an identity associated with one race or nation of people and instead build a society based on values and common solidarity.
In my opinion the introduction of Kosovo is nothing more than an attempt to break down relations within Serbia, and within the game as a whole. To pit people who value Kosovan independence against those who know Kosovo is the heart of Serbia. To make a region into a bomb, and to drop it into the middle of established relationships and see what happens.
Well I can only speak for myself, but I will say this: I don’t give a damn about nationalism, or which race owns which bit of land. I am not English ethnically, and I would never say I am English. I am stuck in a nearly endless war with a country in erep which 100% of my family is from, and of which a good part of them still live. UK is not a nation, it is a state. And so I will look at this very simply.
Serbia is my ally, and I will support them. I will go on supporting them over the region of Kosovo simply because of our friendship. I might have different reasons to do so than the Serbs who want Kosovo as a part of their country. But that doesn’t matter to me, what matters is that in my opinion a Serbia with Kosovo would be stronger than one without Kosovo.
I know a lot of people in the world will find themselves unsure of who to vote for in the upcoming poll. I suggest you look at it my way. This is not a poll on whether you, or your RL country, should support Kosovan independence. This is a poll about eSerbia.
Iain
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LOVE UR ARTICLES M8!
At least you thought it through. That beats a whole lot of opinion I've been reading lately.
Vote bro!!!
Add Wales & Scotland = )
agreed
VOTE
one thousand three hundred eighty nine-th \o/
Finway Day 1,418, 04:15
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Add Wales & Scotland = )
Wales and Scotland are both part of the Union. You might as well say "add England". They are not countries under occupation by the UK- they ARE the UK.
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Finway - They're already there.
Good article Iain.
vote
Big v o/
Perfect article \o/
Full Support o7
"This is not a poll on whether you, or your RL country, should support Kosovan independence. This is a poll about eSerbia." x75216983
Wow! Now that's an explanation/advice! The best I heard so far.
serbia loves uk!
respect Iain.
"those who know Kosovo is the heart of Serbia"
"UK is not a nation, it is a state." Iain Keers~
True : Scotland, England, Wales and Ireland are nations = )
Let's have them like in sportive events.
btw it was a joke... (well! maybe not on second thought... ahah = P)
I am not English, I am British. I wouldn't want silly nations appearing, because nationalism is stupid.
Thank you Keers
Good points.
I am not British, I am English. So screw you celts!
@Despite the fact our countries have been in a technical state of war twice in the last twenty years.
Twice?
You would not have it in the game?
Well, I would have North Ireland as part of Ireland, yet admins didn't do that???
And we'll see when Scots and Wels declare independance what will happen. You asshat hipocrites...
"KOSOVO AND METOHIJA" is not "a bit of land", Ian! That's why you don't understand anything...
Fuck all of you "neutrals". With enemies you at least know where you stand.
Fuck. You.
KosMet is Serbia! Always was, is and will be. Deal with it.
ha ha well if i see it that way is stil vote for Kosovo state
or maybe as neutral territory
If Northern Ireland chooses to join Ireland IRL then I will let it go, and admins can change the borders. Personally I am of Irish Catholic descent anyway, which I mentioned in the article but you must have missed. I don't believe in nationalism, and so I oppose English/Scottish/Welsh nationalism- though the latter two tend be more "economic" than race related. Scottish nationalists/Welsh nationalists want independence for ideological regions, not race related ones.
If they decide to leave the Union, then they decide to leave. It is up to them to choose- and it is likely there will be a vote on it soon IRL. I understand their reasons for wanting to leave- as independent countries they (especially Scotland) can spend less money on things like wars and bailing out English financial institutes, and more money on social and healthcare. On the other hand, they lose the international strength that the UK wields as a corporate entity. As I said I think of myself as British, not English or Scottish or Irish- though I can claim to be of all three one way or another.
And yes, I think it would be better for us all if they didn't add Kosovo to the game. Precisely because people like you will get angry and enraged over it, and it will cause unnecessary fighting. My honest opinion is that the majority of the world does not understand why Kosovo is so important to Serbia. I do, because I studied it. I know all about it. But that is why I don't think it should be added to erep- cos the likelihood is that a poll of all of erepublik will make Kosovo an independent state. And what will that cause? Nothing good.
But since it is being added, I will be voting for Kosovo being part of Serbia. But sure, get angry and prove my point.
perfect analysis: "So what will we end up with? A state founded on nationalist principles; another hotbed of war in the Balkans; more gold buyers; more money for the admins." - feelings of the players' society is a secondary or tertiary thing.
If you don't believe in nationalism, why do you support the nation of Serbia. In effect, you are supporting their continued irrational nationalistic views ~_~
As you say, the admins are going to rake in the euros because of this.
I am supporting eSerbia obviously. Which is a state, and an ally, and has been a home to a lot of non-serbs including me 😛
Good article.
No to hatred in eRepublik, it shoud be a game.
KosMet is Serbia! Always was, is and will be. Deal with it.
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I think Kosovo is added in ER for game mechanics .
At the end of the day you need borders in this game .
"Serbia is my ally, and I will support them. I will go on supporting them over the region of Kosovo simply because of our friendship."
this is wrong. i dont support kosovo because i dont and i never did IRL, as my country never did. so u r saying that if serbia was ur enemy u would support Kosovo?
I think bringing RL into the game is stupid, and does nothing to enhance anything except the admins wallets. My IRL attitude towards the situation is as I said- I don't agree with nationalism, and the main justification for Kosovo being free IRL are nationalist ones. I think saying "I am this ethnicity so I should be separate!" or "I am this religion so I cannot be in your country" are stupid arguments. I believe in building a society based on mutual tolerance, respect, and common beliefs and ideologies. Whether you are ethnic Albanian or ethnic Serb, many of the problems you face each day will be the same. It is a habit of bad leaders to blame problems on other races, and to justify poor leadership by saying that the national pride is at stake. "Don't blame us, blame ______scapegoats______"
I think the myth that Kosovo would be better off as a separate country is a myth. I think it has nothing to do with ethnicity, or the identity of the region, but to do with simple factors like political realism, economics and the attitude of the world. I think that a lot of people feel like Kosovo will be the price for EU membership, which I think is a disgusting bit of economic blackmail from Europe.
Back at the turn of the 20th century, Serb nationalists across the balkans were talking of forming a "greater Serbia". Some of those people were Bosnian, Croat, Montenegran and so on. In those days they looked past local differences and tried to form a state based on mutual foreign policy and economic goals. Mutual desire for freedom, respect and so on. Now it seems like everything is just an attempt to backslide to factionalism.
It is for the sake of this, and the sake of the statist anti-nationalist policy I believe in, that I oppose Kosovan independence. I don't believe that any bunch of people of similar race/religion should just move to a part of a country and declare it independent- anywhere. It's a terrible attitude to adopt. We should be working to find our common
...ground rather than fighting over our differences. As I said, it is a really hard thing to talk about without appearing to be biased or taking a side in what is a nationalist argument. I know many Serbs probably see Kosovo as belonging to the Serbian race- as part of their history because of the battle of Kosovo and so on. I think it is especially important to note that at the Battle of Kosovo there were not just Serb troops- but Croatians, Bosnians and Kosovans there too. It was a group of people with the same goals and the same beliefs.
Nowadays we have that same situation. All the countries in the Balkans share problems, and by necessity they share solutions. I don't think the solution is to feed nationalism in provinces with nationalism at home in Serbia itself, but there you go. To quote Ivo Andic:
"If people would know how little brain is ruling the world, they would die of fear."
Back on the topic of erep- yes I support Serbia because they are my friend. Unlike you, I don't support or not support countries based on the RL policy of my national leaders. I have a brain of my own, and this is a game. I support people who I get on well with, and yes that is not always the same. But Serbia has been a friend to me all my eLife and I'll stand by them.
a clever guy, this iain.
i respect you all the more for you thinking this out so thoroughly.
even if you had come to a different conclusion, id still respect you for the amount of thought given to this, as most of people here(serbs included) dont really THINK about this subject in terms of this game and its future development(of which we will all be part of...probably)
Adding Kosovo? What about Palestine!
If you don't support Kosovo being in the game at all, I suggest that you don't vote. To say that bringing RL into the game is wrong and that you don't support nationalism and then take part in both makes you look like a hypocrite.
And if you are going to vote, it makes no sense to vote based on in-game alliances. Taking part in a RL issue without actually considering the RL issue is kind of ridiculous. If you're going to vote, it should be after you carefully consider your position on the issue, not after saying, "well they've clicked buttons for me in a internet game so I'm with them". If you want to vote for Kosovo to be a part of Serbia that's fine but it should be because that's what you really believe.
Personally, I think that Kosovo should be added as an independant state because (like you) I don't support nationalism which (unlike you?) is what I see driving the Serbs to say it's theirs and also because I'm a realist and in reality, Kosovo is independent.
Lol. Mate, you clicking buttons in an internet game has no bearing on reality, and vice versa. To say that you should make Kosovo independent because of RL is like saying that you should follow RL american foreign policy. It's silly. I'll support Serbia because of ingame reasons, not RL ones, and you should make your decision similarly. I think all the ePower has gone to some people's heads when they think voting in some poll makes things true.
And although I agree there is a lot of nationalism in Serbia, it is nationalism in the area in general which is the problem. It would be like, for example, southern states of the US declaring themselves independent because the majority of the population is black of latino. Their race shouldn't make any difference- they're American and contribute to the American state right? But that's basically what happened in Kosovo. A large, ethnically Albanian population just suddenly decided they weren't Serbian anymore and intimidated the other Serbs living there to the point most of them left. They then tried to declare independence and started a terror campaign until they got their way, which btw was reinforced by NATO forces who like usual just stamped all over a country to try and distract away from similar problems at home in the West.
Don't take such a black and white view.
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Jovan Tekelija x2
THANKS BRO!!!
I didnt say i dont support kosovo because my irl leaders dont support it, your HUGE brain didnt teach u how to read properly i guess, i jsut said I dont support Kosovo, the same way my country IRL dont do it, not BECAUSE my country IRL dont do it.
lolz u so lame iain, already mad? 😛
also is not about supporting kosovo or not, i dont care about kosovo to be honest, i just think that adding a country that isnt recognized is trouble. is diferent from taiwan or FYROM, fyrom for example is recognized as a country, the problem is its name.
"I have a brain of my own" + "I support people who I get on well with"
i thought u had a brain of your own, so u should use it, because right now u r using ur tongue to lick ...well u know wut...
I dont support Kosovo and this is not about my country IRL decision, about Kisttru, Oriana, Ilija, Ankes, Pati, Phanes and many others. Even if i didnt like serbians, if i didnt have serbians friends (some already IRL friends) I wouldnt support Kosovo.
So i will be here not supporting it thx to my brain while u keep licking around.
regards,
😘
KOSMET JE SRBIJA!!!
you might want to use your brain to use words and not childish lolspeak. Anyway, if you read my article and my comments, and you still think my reasoning is that I want to curry favour with someone, you're missing the point and I feel sorry for you.
To make a region into a bomb, and to drop it into the middle of established relationships and see what happens.
will Serbia ble to defuse it?
Iain,
when u dont know wut to answer u should not answer with some fallacy, that is the childish answer. Im trying to have a normal talk here with you, if u feel the only way u can debate someone is with falacies and direct attacks (wich r actually falacies) i feel sorry for you too 😘
i´ve learn in my life that when u r wrong u r wrong, maybe the "oinc oinc" atmosphere there in sweden messes up with u 😘
btw, as both of us agree in 2 points, first about havign serbian friends and second about hating to mix game with IRL stuff, tell me how a "highpriest of Dio" is a proud citizen of Sweden xD
Iain, you ask people to take this article as a game analysis but you speak about RL issues all the time. It's a little bit confusing.
I don't want to speak abour RL issues, but your analysis about Kosovo is really wrong.
And it's a game ; so let's do what we want ; everything is possible here even united Cyprus, or Polish & Serbian masters of the world = ( = D
Pretty predictable stuff.
Just a thought or two for you, Iain...
Yes, Iain, you are right in one; nationalism can be a great and uncontrollable force, which can move people to good and to bad things. More often to the bad ones. Accepting other people and nations as equal to us can be hard, but it's the only right way.
However...
Your friends can also be wrong sometimes; if you really care for them you can't always approve what they say if it's morally wrong...
If there was less nationalism in Serbia, during 1990s there would be no wars in these countries:
1. Slovenia (26 June 1991 - 7 July 1991)
2. Croatia (July 1991 - August 1995)
3. Bosnia and Herzegovina (April 1992 - December 1995)
4. Kosovo (February 28, 1998 – June 10, 1999)
Even Macedonia and Montenegro were not satisfied living together with Serbia, so they have left too...
If Serbs respected their neighboring peoples and didn't try to dominate them, Yugoslavia might still be there, or at least there wouldn't have been so much blood.
I also thought a lot about economic issues and Kosovo independence, so if you are interested in these topics, here is a good read for you:
Self-sufficiency, Co-dependency & Independence [eKosovo]
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/self-sufficiency-co-dependency-amp-independence-ekosovo--1874599/1/20