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The Economist ~ A national MU?

Day 1,822, 10:39 Published in United Kingdom United Kingdom by Spite313

Dear friends,

Today I’m going to look at Military Units (MUs) in the UK and the function a national MU should serve. One of the core demands from the UKPP has been for an apolitical national MU:

“The UKPP supports the exsistence[sic] of an apolitical national army based on equality of supplies and is opposed to the scrapping of such an institution, its related companies and will strongly oppose any funding of private MU's.”

When Magichereos was President of the UK the country came to a funding crisis. It got to the point where even funding communes became untenable- the global financial crisis gets worse every day and many countries can now barely afford MPPs. One of my colleagues in Portugal published a cool article about this, you can read it here. This slow reduction in tax income led to the collapse of almost all nationally funded MUs in small-to-medium sized countries, including his native Portugal and the UK. As a result of this the British Expeditionary Force first became an IRC-only unit, then disbanded altogether.

This left a gap in the UK which hasn’t existed since the founding of the official army way back in 2008. Into that gap came private Military Units. Firstly the existing party MUs, Royal Navy (UKPP), British Bulldogs (now British Army - New Era), TUP Family and ESO Legion. At this point, all of these MUs except for TUP Family have dropped their party association “officially” and all of them are open to members from all parties.

ESO Legion had always aimed to be a community MU, and as the oldest private and politically affiliated MU had slowly grown a separate leadership, organically dividing itself from ESO the political party. Unlike TUP Family it offered a full supply set for members comparable to a national MU, and had developed company networks and organisation to shoulder the burden of running an army. Eventually it dropped the “ESO” part of its name and just became The Legion, a non-affiliated private military unit.

The Legion’s leadership took the lack of affiliation very seriously- to the point where the MU Commander Carlini quit ESO to preserve his independence- something never asked of national MU Commanders or Ministers. When BEF was dissolved, the Legion Commanders offered Talon, then the President, The Legion as a potential successor. It seemed natural that The Legion, as the best equipped, organised and most politically neutral MU succeed as the national MU.

The alternative at this stage is basically no national MU at all. That’s because running an MU requires large amounts of saltpetre companies, as well as Q7 companies. Each Q7 uses a staggering 200 WRM to produce- 200 weapons requires 40,000 WRM. A fully equipped player, with maximum Saltpetre companies, can produce maybe 70-80k WRM per day. So you can see that the cost of producing weapons is enormous, and any “national MU” would rely on the patronage of a very rich and powerful individual or set of individuals. When Carlini offered his own money and time, it was a godsend for the UK.

However that hasn’t satisfied everyone. One of the current criticisms going about is that the Legion isn’t a “proper” national MU because of its previous association with ESO. It’s undoubtedly true that the long association with ESO, plus the fact that ESO lacks an official party MU (uniquely amongst the top 6 parties) mean that they are unusually highly represented there. This however simply brings to question how the MU can ever possibly become a “national” MU unless parties agree to send their members there instead of recruiting them into their own units. Until all parties have not only promoted the Legion to their members, but also encouraged them to volunteer for leadership roles, the situation will remain unchanged. It is also interesting that although the UKPP has argued for a more neutral national MU, it at the same time advocates the reduction of taxes to 1% on both income tax and VAT. This would essentially doom any government funding, and would even threaten our MPPs, the basic tool of our survival. It may be that this needs reviewing.

I asked my good friend MagicHereos to do a little bit of data mining about the current political affiliation of the UK top 5 military units, and he found some interesting, though predictable trends. Have a look and you’ll quickly see that the UK’s military units are rather sharply divided on political grounds:

We can see from these graphs that TUP Family (as the openly political MU) has the highest percentage of members from the mother party. Interestingly, the Dental Corps is second highest for political affiliation, with UKPP. The Legion is the most diverse unit, but still has 42% of its membership as ESO members. Royal Navy and the British Army both have large numbers of “unaffiliated” players, presumably from recruiting new players shortly after they join the game.

The question this raises is: what now?

For me the whole point of a national MU is to provide a safe haven for new players to grow and develop free from party politics. Not every player wants to get involved in those fights. Not every player (even older ones) want to be associated with any particular private unit, but would rather fight for the country as a whole. For this reason a national MU, directed by the President, is essential. However this unit need not be the primary unit of the country (though it currently is) nor does it need to be funded by the President (it isn’t).

The future then is to embrace the diversity we have. I know that TUP Family has become a very tight knit and friendly community, and I have no doubt the same can be said of the other MUs listed above. Legion should exist, it should be the MU. But what we really need is a unification of goals, not of MUs. So long as all MUs follow national orders and work together to further the whole country, there is no problem with diversity. It’s only when MUs start taking matters into their own hands, dividing damage and acting in a mercenary or counter-productive fashion that problems creep in.

Rather than a single omnipresent national army, we now have a multi-headed one. It’s like the multi-branch army of old, except the branches have a non-manufactured and organically developed identity. People can feel cross-branch rivalry without it feeling artificial, and at the same time all MUs can remain committed to the same goals and follow the same orders.

So here’s to a pluralistic military o7




George Beeman
George Beeman Day 1,822, 10:42

The problem with a national army is it will become too large to support.

That's what happened in Canada. We have since moved on to funding all of our MUs, and our damage output is much improved.

Danie Fox
Danie Fox Day 1,822, 10:43

ESO aren't really that political anyway : P

Bohemond4 Day 1,822, 10:45

great article, voted

Prophet009 Day 1,822, 10:46


ePocalypse Day 1,822, 10:49

Nice stats

Lord Lewis Cromwell
Lord Lewis Cromwell Day 1,822, 10:52

Danie's right, ESO does politics without even trying - we're more focused on people and enjoying eachother's company!

WayneKerr Day 1,822, 10:52

Dental Corps is mainly UKPP due to the core group of players being formally of the Royal Navy. Up until TUP's 12th regiment and the introduction of Legion as 'national' army we had a healthy blend of party members. No political agenda gets pushed in the DC from any member, and long may it continue that way.

Spygon Day 1,822, 10:53

We do have a lot of eso members still in the legion because they didn't want to go anywhere else they love legion to much 😛

Legion the true politically neutral MU o7

alexg737 Day 1,822, 10:55

Best article you've written since your return.

War3hous313 Day 1,822, 10:58


Emergy Maxfell
Emergy Maxfell Day 1,822, 10:59


One correction should be noted -

"ESO Legion ... as the oldest private and politically affiliated MU"

Legion was actually the last of the 'old' parties to form a military unit. TUP Family and UKRP Community were both formed prior to ESO Legion and it was only after a great deal of debate and preparation that Legion was created. (...)

Emergy Maxfell
Emergy Maxfell Day 1,822, 11:00

(...) Also, thanks for including the graphs! It'll be interesting to see how diverse Legion becomes in the future. A lot of the growth in Legion's diversity is coming from new players who are encouraged to join any party they'd like without any influence from MU members. I know this is something ESO is extremely proud of.

Spite313 Day 1,822, 11:06

Hey Emergy- just to respond to that. Although Hydra and TUP Family are older, they were used originally as communication tools, not as military units. TUP didn't supply TUP Family until much later 🙂

Rodney Mckay
Rodney Mckay Day 1,822, 11:07

We have always wanted to offer everyone and anyone a stable and well managed place to fight, regardless of their party.

coorajber Day 1,822, 11:14

Alex.L forced me to vote this article! Where has democracy gone?!!

GregoryG Day 1,822, 11:21


Grampa Alfagrem
Grampa Alfagrem Day 1,822, 11:23

>"At this point, all of these MUs except for TUP Family have dropped their party association “officially” and all of them are open to members from all parties."

Royal Navy remains the MU of the party who's primary mission (tho little req'd these days) is ATO protection of he UKPP.

Members of other parties can join the RN by simply clicking 'join' but we periodically advise them to join another MU as the returns (that eclipse Legion for UKPP members) are otherwise negligible.

Grampa Alfagrem
Grampa Alfagrem Day 1,822, 11:27

Also, the UKPP points of contention with 'Legion' boil down to;

1. On founding it stated it would not be dictated to by the Government. This raised the question of command and control.
What orders can the CP give?
What changes can he/she make?
Can the Legion command refuse orders if they clash with Legion efficiency?

Grampa Alfagrem
Grampa Alfagrem Day 1,822, 11:28

2. It stated it would be apolitical. what exactly does this mean?
Will it be used for ATO/PTO?
Will the commander be required to not be in a party?
Will the captains?
The troops?
Can Legion commanders hold other political posts?

Grampa Alfagrem
Grampa Alfagrem Day 1,822, 11:30

3. Can we not find a eUK flagged citizen to command the unit?

(As with CS it's not who the commander is just that it would be nice for him/her to have a chip in the game)

Grampa Alfagrem
Grampa Alfagrem Day 1,822, 11:32

4. Equality of supplies.

There are differing levels of supply which in itself would not be an issue if there was not a 'work for Legion' requirement.

All troops make the same amount of Tanks or WRM but supply is based on other measurables not on their actual production/contribution to the supply stockpile.

Grampa Alfagrem
Grampa Alfagrem Day 1,822, 11:35

As for the preferred tacation levels this is based on the current situation in that TUP/Gov will not produce a fair national MU so as we get little benifit from taxation - may as well not pay so much.

If that ever changes and the desire suddenly appears then our members would be balloted again to garner support for the current (or increased) taxation.

Spite313 Day 1,822, 11:37

/me summons commander of the Legion to give better answers.

Your idea of a fair national MU- what is it?

Carlini8 Day 1,822, 11:42

5 - You didn't number it as 5, but I am going to put it there) Speaking as the MoF: Do you not want us to have any MPPs? Do you want us to be wiped? We aren't offering much? There are two strikes a week (I believe you guys want more strikes - where is this money coming from), CtA is there every two days along with the cost of the MPPs it actually comes to MORE than our daily earnings. Therefore we are offering more than the public is giving back, this is because private citizens are stepping up.

Danie Fox
Danie Fox Day 1,822, 11:43

Alfa's points do need to be cleared up, but I don't think anything that Legion does atm has to/should be changed, just written up into a document so everyone can see how it works.

Carlini8 Day 1,822, 11:47

4) We have been over this before. The responsibility of a national unit in my eyes is to try and push the country further, encourage activity and give people something to aim for. Sure, the UKPP method of, just click work and you get the supplies might seem to you like such a great idea because you don't have to put much effort in at all but here at The Legion we commend actual activity. As I have said over and over, regardless of age every member has a chance to get our top tier, all they...

Carlini8 Day 1,822, 11:47

... have to do is play this game. We had 56 people in the top tier when I went through it this Sunday. Just so you know, two weeks ago we had under 20. Are you telling me that is not active progression right there? The Royal Navy would have under half of what we currently have, yet you have more members. That suggests to me that trying to encourage people to actively play the game more and give them a goal to work to, something that isn't just click a work button once a day, is actually working.

Carlini8 Day 1,822, 11:48

I will not apologise for trying to increase fun, retention and our countries power.

Carlini8 Day 1,822, 11:51

3) I guess another point we differ. I would prefer to have the best person for the job - I am not saying there are not good people in the eUK who could currently take over - when I didn't have time (and obviously before I took command) someone with eUK cit was in charge of orders. You could discriminate me over where I currently "live" to further the unit or you could accept that over here in The Legion, we strive for the best, and me sitting in Poland for bonuses is clearly not a real issue.

Carlini8 Day 1,822, 11:53


It stated it would be apolitical. what exactly does this mean? - It means we in no way give bias to one party over another and The Legion as a unit will not be involved in anything political.

Will it be used for ATO/PTO? - No, not as a MU. Individuals can be if they want - they can do what they want politically as long as it is within the game rules and eUK rules.

Carlini8 Day 1,822, 11:54

Will the commander be required to not be in a party? - Of Course not, I simply do not see a political party in the eUK that I like.

Will the captains? - Nope.

The troops? - Nope.

Can Legion commanders hold other political posts - Of course.

Really just asking silly questions here.

Niemand Day 1,822, 11:57

Nice stats.
It will be very good when all MU's would follow national orders.

Carlini8 Day 1,822, 11:58

1) We have discussed this already and you know the answers...

We can not refuse Gov orders for where to fight at all. We can not refuse basic orders at all. We will not be ordered to make fundamental changes to The Legion, if this is what the Gov wants, it will be discussed as to why.

Danie Fox
Danie Fox Day 1,822, 12:17

Put that in an article/on the wiki Carlini (if you haven't already), I'm sure 90% of people would agree to all of it.

Grampa Alfagrem
Grampa Alfagrem Day 1,822, 12:51

I wasn't saying that we are 100% right and side 'x' was wrong.

1 & 2 Were down to a lack of follow through on the brief introduction to Legion we received. Using lines like 'Apolitical' and 'CP can't boss us around' are great when you know exactly what you mean but the rest of us don't/didn't or wheter these are core Legion principles or at the discretion of the Commander?

Danie Fox actually makes a good suggestion in asking for a 'stickied' load of information.

Grampa Alfagrem
Grampa Alfagrem Day 1,822, 12:59

3&4 are really down to our differing philosphies on 'how to click them buttahns' and as much as your viewpoint is seen as 'elitist' to us - I'm sure the vice-versa see's us as 'stupid' in your eyes.

We could argue on about the minutae of the issues and wheter you can't give the position to a UKer and you just be a supplier but these really are the same hardened viewpoints that give the eUK its wide political spectrum and re-hashing them is fruitless.

Thanks for the response tho'

Topher Fair
Topher Fair Day 1,822, 13:00

I'm quite flattered that Iain is copying my media strategy from last month and doing daily articles on similar topic. I did this exact same data mining a few weeks ago and reached the same conclusion in my article.

Bohemond4 Day 1,822, 13:01

The biggest, indeed, only real fault I can see with the Legion being introduced as a the National Militia, was the lack of explanations that Carlini just gave us surrounding the issue. I feel if this had been done then it would have lacked the amount of opposition it has received.

Grampa Alfagrem
Grampa Alfagrem Day 1,822, 13:01

To Clarify - Legion is a good thing and Carlini is a good player but it's just another 'fighting' MU to us like privateers or 7th Cavalry is/was and there's absolutly nothing wrong with that at all.

Topher Fair
Topher Fair Day 1,822, 13:12

Really we need MUs that do different things rather than 6 identical ones which just have a party bias.

Like a MU which only fights in UK battles for weaker players to get patriot medal and a MU which has high supply and more quickly updated orders for mobile high strength players.

Spite313 Day 1,822, 13:20

Your article doesn't look much like mine Goku. Your article was basically an overview of military units, mine was an editorial piece about what makes a national MU, and about how our community is divided (and happy with it) in the military sphere.

I think you'll find (if you read back issues of my paper) that daily articles when they're needed are hardly a new thing for me, and that on average across my life I've tended to release articles about one every seven days on a huge number of issues

Topher Fair
Topher Fair Day 1,822, 13:21

"I did this exact same data mining a few weeks ago"

Spite313 Day 1,822, 13:45

Good for you, all I have to do is pay for 200 votes and make a half dozen multi accounts and we'll be twins!

Alphabethis Day 1,822, 13:58

this article has a poor structure, it doesn't follow a proper logical deployment and it doesn't add anything significative or worthy or unsuspected .Anyway, thanks to Oreos, the guy who has done the hard work.

Grampa Alfagrem
Grampa Alfagrem Day 1,822, 14:11

Iain Keers has half a dozen multi-accounts?

Prince Harry.
Prince Harry. Day 1,822, 14:16

It wouldn't surprise me

Alphabethis Day 1,822, 14:18

Goku was the student, Keers is the master, the teacher. Judge for yourself.

GameChanger Day 1,822, 14:36

I don't know why you guys have such an issue with Legion. Even when we were ESO, we weren't very political. We have by far the best supplies and strike system for new players. We also give loads of opportunities for new players, for example, I am running for Captain today

Horatio I
Horatio I Day 1,822, 15:24

o7 The Legion!

Spite313 Day 1,822, 15:46

Alphabethis, you're talking rubbish like always

Alfagrem, you know me better than that

Don, don't be silly. It's your PP who was a botmaster and admitted to owning dozens of multis. You are going to look very silly again tomorrow.

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