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If you wish to have a hospital in a Belgian region, why don't you post a link to the article calling donations or ask people to donate? Does the BP really want a hospital? It looks like they don't, since they don't contribute to it.

'Last week, the BelgianParty have been the target of many people, and from the I&W. I don't want to go back on this, because bashing people or party is not the way that the BelgianParty want to do politics. I only want to defend my party and it values. We can disagree on several subjects, but we still need to be fair and respectfull.'

You said you are being a target but you don't want to go back to this... why even mention it then, because I think (apart from a few words) the discussion was not about bashing the belgian party... just about following rules...

anyway A nice article. But I have a question for you:

What will you do to: 'But we will continue to do what we do the better : defending the belgians interests !'

and what are those belgian interests?

Well to make a comment on Daniel's comment. There should be no belgian interests, since the BP says there shouldn't be any dutch interests either.

We are all the same, we are all eUNL, we are changing all the damn names for you guys and still you are walking around with the name of a land that not exist in eRep.

This way you work only againt the intergration of our 2 lands.

Try to make a party for all eUNL players, and not only for people with belgium intrests.

"Four days ago, a new party was born, the Union Party, which have for logo the belgium and the nertherlands flags together. It was a good news, because the partypresident said that one of the aim of this new party was to work on giving better infrastructures for belgians regions.

Yesterday, an article was published to announce the merge between the Union Party and the Green Liberal Democrats, a merge realised to try to reach the top5 parties and to run for congress. The TUP was already dead. The Green Liberals Democrat, led by an very active president (too much active on shoutbox? ;p) seems to bring a new wind on the eUNL, and it's good to see that after the emergence of the BelgianParty. I wish them good luck."

Thanks. But, I'm still fighting for at least a hospital in every region.

Epix, did you forget Dutch Three Star?

I don't care if people use the name or flag of a RL country, as long as it doesn't show in interests or plans.

@ Kixtart just to quote this article: 'But we will continue to do what we do the better : defending the belgians interests !'

I dont see DTS have very nationalistic points of views

(at least not for the dutch and against the belgians)

Agree, but don't start about names or icon/avatars imho 🙂

You are right Kixtart, but I notice that BP are always talking about the belgium people.

And I get the feeling that they don't want to make 'one' merged country

+1 Epix🙂

Voted !!

+1 Epix

@all :

Of course, when I say "for the belgians interests", it mean "in the eUNL"... I will edit it.

Working for the belgians interests, it's what we have to do to have a better union !

It's sad that with all the efforts made together during the last weeks, people always view us as troublemaker !

@Epix :

"And I get the feeling that they don't want to make 'one' merged country"

It's not true... You can believe what you want, but i can also say the same for you if I want...

- epix was last seen in #eUNL 2 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 24 minutes, and 31 seconds ago
- epix was last seen in #eNederland 1 hour, 4 minutes, and 59 seconds ago

What's our country ? eNederland or eUNL ?

People can also see in the fact that a large members of dutch citizens prefer to stay in a old dutch channel to be able to chat in dutch than to chat in english in the new one, the eUNL channel.

Of course, the eUNL channel is quiet, but because everybody in the old one : what does it mean?

When you want to connect to the old eBelgie channel, you get a message to go to the eNederland (not yet changed for eUNL) channel...

I will stop here, but you see, i'm able to show that you are more nationalist than the BelgianParty (it's not difficult) ...

Cheers,
ThomasRed

@thomas if you don't start any conversations in #eUNL, you cannot expect that when a conversations is going on in the other channel people will switch to #eUNL. But I am there all the time and no-one is really saying a thing.. but lets talk!

ThomasRed you are right. I think the problem is we do not notice our own behavior. We think we are trying hard to make the merge work and then it's hard to understand why you are criticizing us for not doing so.

We do not always notice it when we speak Dutch or use a name with Dutch in it, but we do notice the use of French and the use of Belgian in a name.

And apparently some see the Dutch and Flemish as individuals and the BP and the Walloons as a group. Look at the I&W article
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-iron-and-wine-campaign-day-1-general-program-and-internal-affairs-834644/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-iro[..]1/20
"It is our opinion that also BP members should abide by congress laws."
Why mention BP when you want ALL congress members to abide by congress laws?

"Why mention BP when you want ALL congress members to abide by congress laws?"

Since most already do. In almost every party there are people that don't abide the laws, but the BP has a high density of people that don't abide congress laws.

@ThomasRe😛 Sorry, i can expres my feelings better in Dutch so I prefer that language.

And I want to at to it that I just joint #eUNL

@Luuklag: are you kidding? How many BP congress members out of 17 did not follow the rules of the congress (rules that were opposed on them) and how many of the 3(!) DTS congress members did not follow the rules (rules they installed)?
So what is the density in DTS and what in BP. I think you must try to find at least 6 BP congress members that did not follow the rules for convincing me that your claim is true that the BP has a high density of people that don't abide congress laws. I do think you have prejudices, sadly.

It is like Perry Rhodan says. Dutch are seen as individuals by most Dutch. The French speaking Belgium players are seen by the Dutch as a group.
That is not fair at all!!!

And in GVD we have a nationalistic party, they want the Walloon region to secede. I think they are now trying to become more liberal, but we will see what they will do.

BP is not nationalistic, they focus on the interest of the Belgium players. They do that because they do see a lot of Dutch people not working for the interest of Belgium players. But they focus also on ea real merge. So I do not see any nationalism in that.

I&W focuses in their program on BP in stead of on the whole nation. First I&W will have to prove they are without prejudices on french speaking UNL citizens before I want to prolong my cooperation with I&W after the coming congressional elections.

@DanielB1989: I know why the BP was mentioned 😉

I was just trying to say that this sentence would mean the same when 'BP' was replaced by 'all'. But by mentioning BP I&W creates a gap between 'us' and 'them', Dutch speaking citizens vs French speaking citizens. I know I&W wants the union to succeed, but the way this was formulated is not helpful in that respect.

BTW: I read and voted the I&W article, just didn't like this one sentence 🙂

Thomas, the #eUNL irc channel must be promoted, since not everyone know it. I just changed the message of sparky in #eBelgie. The problem normally is that most of the time there are no english-speaking persons in that chat, so the discussions are absent also.

@DanielB1989: I am as disappointed in you as well now. Talking that I use bullshit, means that you do not respect me at all.

Now for your comment: Indeed you said "also", but I do think you do not imagine how this feels for the Belgium Party members. I also think you totally missed the point that not only far right nationalists made remarks like French speaking players must secede from our nation. Also some prominent I&W members like Frerk and Luuklag were active making false accusations against BP when bicky made a stupid proposal. I have read your program quite well. And indeed many things are positive and are against discrimination. But it is also I&W that polarizes against BP, but maybe you are not active enough in the media or on our forum so you missed that.

A political party always put nice things in their program to attract voters. And I do believe that many of the I&W members (you got some members from the far right party GVD lately and that party was notorious for hate speak against French Speaking citizens) do not trust BP, make a lot of polarizing comments against BP. So can you imagine that I do not trust those nice parts of the I&W party?

Well Cocoamok, could you point out the "false accusations against BP" that i made, other then the article i written and the comments on that article?

Since the article i wrote was not intended to falsely accuse the BP of anything, it was just based on the fact that their stance of not giving information according to the law proposals they make will lead to these type of questions / opinions, i hope they have learned from this article, and will follow congress procedures in the future.

@Cocoamok I used to have a lot of respect for you and you know that, but you are only throwing mud out here to everyone who is having a critical note towards the Belgian Party, and that is not what I like... The program is not focused on the BP... we have a set of own values which we like to peruse and we support those values with examples... I don't get why you get so upset if one of those examples involves the Belgian Party. And no I don't think the BP felt attacked when the party program sai😛 we think that also the BP has to abide by congress rules....

Sorry maybe you are right that I am not active enough on the forum, but I do read the media and I see critical notes from Frerk and Luuklag but I didn't see anything that would imply that they want to liberate Walloon(or other regions).... Why would Luuklag otherwise even strive for a Q5 hospital in the Belgian Regions???

I told you before that it was not smart and good from luuklag to do this assumption, whether he was right or wrong, it didn't matter to the whole situation.

and I would like to know why you say that I&W polarizes against the BP... is it only because we are critical towards pending issues?

This has nothing to do with Trust, Iron and Wine trust the BP as a party, we are critical but we trust them nevertheless. I do not exclude BP for the next government at all!

I am disappointed in you because you are looking one way only and don't see multiple sides of the story....

I agree with Daniel,

I am pro equalising former Belgian regions with former Dutch regions by placing a hospital, I am pro speaking english so that everyone can participate, but I'm not pro a 'Belgian' cause. I would have liked this article more if it was named The 'Belgian' trademark. BP focusses its programme on Belgium, but there is no Belgium. Though they do state that we should adjust everything that is Dutch, whilst they keep fighting for a cause that doesn't exist. Yes, I do find that quite hypocritical.

Maybe i see it completly wrong, but i think the program of I&W and some comments of I&W members has absolutly nothing to do with your function as prime minister.

If you think that party politics should be off influence in the government, than i think we better stop having a goverment made by the biggest party and let the president make the goverment.

"We think we are trying hard to make the merge work and then it's hard to understand why you are criticizing us for not doing so."

I think than EUnited Netherlands work very hard for a better merge.

I think we need to be happy of what's is done.

I Think we need to go further.

I think it might be better to talk about this in private than in public...

Cocoamok, I explained you once before that our party decided to keep Dutch as it points to the former Dietsland, which was also a unified country including Belgium and the Netherlands (You were the one to explain to me that we should annex a part of northern france to complete Dietsland).

Yes it's true, 33.33% of DTS-members do not follow procedures against 11.7% of BP members. But hey, what's more? 11.7 % of 42.5 % in congress, or 33.3% out of 7,5% in congress? Who carries the biggest responsibility? Either way, all three of them, the 1 DTS member and the 2 BP-members were all wrong in not following the procedures as stated in law.

@all :

A comment I've put there "http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-iron-and-wine-campaign-day-1-general-program-and-internal-affairs-834644/1/20" :

"Well, I think that BP made mistakes, but it's not a surprise for a new party.

In the same time, I&W didn't follow rules about the election of the Congress's Chairman and there wasn't any problems for any of you to have a chairman who wasn't elected by the congress, like the rules said. Is there rules for everybody ? Is there rules that have to be follow and others which don't have to ?

It's not fair to blame the others to not abide laws when you don't abide them yourself !"

@ MarDecius and others :

Gazy made a one time mistake, the first one... He's also a contributor to our country, as he helped to translate severals articles. I don't like to see him dragged through the mud for this only one little mistake from a new member and congressman from a new party ... 😉

ThomasRed, I just quoted from others. I wasn't at a PC at the time that happened, I just answered someone else using his/her information.

Furthermore, I agree with this: "Well, I think that BP made mistakes, but it's not a surprise for a new party."

"In the same time, I&W didn't follow rules about the election of the Congress's Chairman and there wasn't any problems for any of you to have a chairman who wasn't elected by the congress, like the rules said. Is there rules for everybody ? Is there rules that have to be follow and others which don't have to ?"

Well i didn't know that I&W had so much influence that we could choose a congress chairman and even put him in office without aproval of the congress. Maybe i will be next to be congress chairman as the I&W party chooses the chairman.

Thanks Mark Decius for the explanation for using the word Dutch in Dutch Three Star. I never thought DTS want to be refer to Dietsland. It has never existed, only in the minds of romantic people.
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietsland" target="_blank">http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietsland will be informative for people who can read Dutch. For the convenience I made a little article out of to comments I made on our national forum:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/diets-for-dutch--837026/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/diet[..]1/20

Indeed I told you once that if you like Dietsland yjat a part of France should be included than. I am very much against both things. Neither do I long for a part of France our long standing ally, neither do I want Dietsland as an substitute for the United Netherlands. I do not think these things DTS likes, but you never know.The party president of DTS wants a region of France for wood. But I got the impression that he wants to achieve that by negotiation, so far so good.

And indeed 2 (persons from a fraction of 17) is more than 1 (out of a fraction of three). But If the whole congress was like 33% that cannot follow the rules it will be a bigger mess than if 11.7% of congress members are not following the rules. And may I remind you that the 2 from BP were all newcomers and the 1 from DTS is experienced and even elected after several times not following the rules to party president of DTS. Bicky is replaced by ThomasRed.
I do not want to blame DTS, I only point out that putting the finger on BP is not that smart neither fair to do because of several facts.

The whole Dutch versus English debate is getting a bit stupid. If the Belgian Party are so adamant that all business should be in English then maybe they should go back to the UK. Requiring either Belgians or Dutch to speak in English, other than in official business, is really quite silly.

Although, please continue to speak English by choice, anyone who wants to, because it does make the game more interesting for me!

Thomas, I see no problem to switch to English, since the game is english also and we had English-speaking users before the french belgians started. In my opinion it is good to be able to attract english users also.

I am not in favour that the game itself is translated also to support other languages than English 🙂

It is wonderful, for me at least, that people choose to speak English - I am just saying that if people choose to post in Dutch or French in the eUNL, then they dont deserve to be criticised for doing so.

But that conflicts a bit with the merge and being citizen of the unity. People should be able to understand eachother. I don't mind it ingame, but on the forum we chose to use English in the official sections. In GeneralChat&Political Parties it is still allowed.