Stop ou encore - Le choix de la raison - part 4
Azor Ahai Reborn
This is an answer to President/General Jazar about his comment on the first article (found here : http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/stop-ou-encore-le-choix-de-la-raison--823886/1/all).
I publish it as an article because it will be easy to read and more structured, and the first article will disappear soon of the articles list. I want also to thank Jazar for making this debate constructive.
@Jazar :
> We said : "The period of government formation has lasted five days. Five long days during which BP has worked for his ideas are reflected in the government program"
Your answer : "You were the only actual active minister. Furthermore a number of congressmen sometimes replied on the forums."
At the time of the formation, there was no minister. Your answer is not correct as you have interpreted the initial sentence. Or was it to underline the fact that I was the only one active minister for you ? Thanks to noticed my good (?) job.
> We said : "The Minister of States Companies & Gold Market has not had the chance."
Your answer : "As explained there were other tasks that couldve been done."
That's right but Bicky was told that he will get the access before. It take a lot of time. Was it to slow down his action ? Certainly not, but it don't change the fact that the fact he didnt receive the access obliged him to work on others things and to make his agenda as the others wanted.
> We said : "but is it not a pity that he is ready then that there are only 17 days before the renewal of the Congress?"
You said : "Tell me, who has been working on this contract?"
I think it was Cocoamok as First Minister. But it wasn't specially her job to do it, and they were no need to wait the end of the formation who took 5 days to start working on it. It can be started before.
> We said : "to write a political commentary"
You said : "He explained that the rules of congress had been broken + he has advisory status. His reaction was completely valid and instead of trying to make an argument about his comment, try to look at the actual comment and the fact that the proposal ingame was ILLEGAL."
He has the advisory status, right, but this status is not a god status. He is an advisory, but an government advisory ! So he can make advices in governmental closed discussion area, but not in the congres one.
> We said : "In addition, the BP is disappointed to see that Dutch is tolerated in the Citizen UNL while french is prohibited!"
You said : "Pure _nonsense_. The admins did everytime warn the persons writing Dutch (even while it's easy for us not to notice it because we're used to Dutch on the forums) and now this is an other argument started about nothing, atleast not about content, and wrong as well. The admin even apologized when he missed something."
3,4,5, 8 dutch messages, no quick remarks. One french message: an immediately remark.
When I was in the government, I've asked the admins if they needed help because they take a lot of time to create my ministry forum and the one of my collegue. They said it was okay. Maybe they have too many work to do for two people, as they can't see all the messages in dutch in the forum too, and things like that. Why does they don't want an other admin to help them ?
> We said : "huge fraud at the expense of Belgian citizens?"
You said : "First of all this money is not under governmental control. Secondly, what are Belgian citizens? Aren't you talking about UNL citizens? Or do you consider Belgian citizens a seperate group?"
We want to feel UNL Citizens, but as the merge processus isn't finished, we have to protect the Belgians interest. As we do now! For you, it's a privately organisation, but everybody see that is was a governmental organisation. You can maybe defend or be silent on the flemish nationalist or flemish far rights players actions, but us, BP, don't want it ! Maybe we can do nothing official, but we can take eUNL measures. Do you accept what happened ?
> We said : "As for the hospital asked for a region of Belgium, it seems that we devote more time to find buyers to decide where to invest and launch the fundraising campaign. The BP going too fast for the other parties? The BP is a party too active?"
You said : "Tell me, who is "we"? What in fact is the point you are trying to make, as the first sentence is unlogical and I can't respond before knowing what you're trying to tell."
The two last hospitals have been already sold. The next one, finished in 3,4 days i think, will maybe be sold too as a government member searched actively a buyer and almost find it. But in the same time, it was no agenda to keep one hospitals for a belgian regions. And what about the joint program? Maybe an hospital in a Belgian regions wasn't a priority for you, but it is for us ! And since this message, i think that Peter vander Voort have started a thread about how to donate gold for the belgian hospital. Things move.
> You said : "There are also valid point, like with the elections of the judges."
Thanks to recognize it... Dionysus told us that he found strange the change of mind of BP members on this point, what about your view on it ? We made a answer there :
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/stop-o...ons-824623/1/20
> You said : "But this article is partly wrong and party overexaggerated in a style that is very inappropriate"
I can understand that you dont like to see what happened wrong, but for us it's the reality.
> You said : "I understand you want votes but this is untrue and very inappropriate."
You have not understand anything ! It's not a question of votes ! BP show by resigning of the government that it don't want the power for the power ! It's not a question of seats, of gold, of ministers, it's a question of values, ideas, programs ! Someone said that BP votes were like sheepvoting... In BP, we don't care about our party president, it can be bicky it can be an other, for the congressmen, the same thing ! We care about politics ! We care about Belgians citizens in a eUNL country where we are not totaly integrated !
Comments
Get over yourselves already!!!!!!
This still does not justify resigning from the government:
their was an agreement to talk about problems internally first.
You simply gathered a list of many problems, some of them small,
and resigned.
The fact that Peter van den Voort made a thread after you published the problem shows that talking about it first could solve many things. Had you told Peter of the problem before, I think he would have been more than willing to make the thread as well.
As I stated before, I think BP takes the easy way out.
That is your rightful choice, but loses much of the respect you owned before.
By the way, I do want to make clear that I still welcome everyone in our country. I just do not agree to what happened and especially to the article. A lot of players from each party (including BP) are doing their very best and that article was just a smack in the face of their hard work.
Whoah... Back home again, and again my home is crisis when I went away (last year it was Onchre-crisis who PTO'd I&W).
My first interpretation of this is the same old similar he-said/she-said bullcrap. Every party has people that aren't active enough to be of good value in the government, but that are chosen to be in the government. No one ever complains about it during the government's ruling, they only complain afterwards.
I have a lot more reading to do, so please don't react on this with real arguments, I don't know 'em yet