eChina should join both EDEN and Broliance 中国应同时加入EDEN和Broliance
mariohexu
eChina should join both EDEN and Broliance 中国应同时加入EDEN和Broliance
[Chinese Version on the bottom / 中文见后面]
Since Heilongjiang (or otherwise referred as HLJ, HK or HelloKitty) becomes part of eChina,
the discussion of eChina joining EDEN, or eChina joining Broliance has been activated once again.
However, the uncertainty of the relationship between EDEN and eUSA has made the case more complicated.
eChina can not mediate Poland and USA; neither could I predict the outcome.
Nevertheless, to the best of my knowledge, the decision is still to be made;
and, the decision should be, to join EDEN and Broliance simutaneously.
I shall explain the reason of China to join EDEN and Broliance simutaneously in the following sections.
As former MoD and DMoD of eChina, it is my style to make things straight-forward.
In the article, there is no graph but statistics and detailed analysis.
1, eCHINA needs EDEN and Broliance.
Here is a statistics using the data from
http://www.ereptools.net/battles/all
I listed all critical for eChina battles since eChina secured its congress.
The First three battles are the first attempt to free LK and HK, initiated by USA.
The fourth and fifth are the attempt of Pheonix to swap Serbia to LK.
The sixth is the recent liberation of HK.
BattleID Region Demage_from(*10k):USA Croatia Romania Spain Poland Canada Sweden Finland
8112 Kyushu 201* 75 25 45 35 17 23 15
8310 LK 257* 36 25 57 18 21 19 16
8505&8508 HK 275* 68 54 31 2 25 19 22
9046 LK 1 0 66* 0 2 17* 2 0
9120 Beijing 3 1 51* 60* 4 28* 0 1
10193 HK 18 48 70 45 45 5 18 4
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* means that people can fight in their own country.
From the statistics, the case is clear.
USA is our good friend. They tried really hard to liberate LK and HK for us.
Croatia, Romania, Spain, Poland, Canada Sweden and Finland also make great contrabution to LK and HK.
It is really a sad time for us that we lost the 9046 battle. That time, EDEN (including USA) focused in North Brazil battle.
However, EDEN countries proved themselves in the 10193 battle.
Now, as we holds HK, it is harder of us to defend our territories.
We have to split our population to live in HK and Beijing.
Russia can attacks HK at any time, and we need MPPs from EDEN.
We needs MPPs from both side to defend HK and Beijing.
We needs USA to attack LK. We needs EDEN to make great effort in the LK battle.
If we are to lose any important region in the future, we also needs USA to attack and EDEN to make effort.
Some people are concerned with the money cost of joing EDEN or USA. To me, it is a minor concern.
Friendship is power. Besides, if we continues to hold HK, we should have some mondy.
2, EDEN and USA needs us.
We are in position to any possible land-swaps with India.
China is a crucial part in the defence of India, and also Karnataka.
On the other hand, China has been active in blocking Hungary, Serbia and Russia.
Naturally, China will be involved in any confliction with Serbia, Russia and Indonesia.
China has also developed a stronger military power.
China has a regular 400k damage everyday durning war time.
The damage from the mobile army has exceeds 100k.
This is not neglectable.
We share common interestes with EDEN and USA.
There has never been a battle where they need countries A to win but we need A's opposite.
The difference is only on how important the battle is.
Therefore, there is no reason we should not cooperate closely with each other.
3, Sol.
We are a member of Sol. This is not a problem preventing us to join EDEN or Broliance.
By charter of Sol, member nations of Sol can join any alliance.
Besides, Sol member nations are working closely with both EDEN and USA.
Refer to India, Thailand, Malaysia, Philippine, SA and Iserlia.
We can maintian our retionship with Sol nations.
Similarly is the relationship with Japan, who has quitted Sol.
4, The relationship between EDEN and USA.
Canada is an example of being both alliances.
Still, it is questionable if we can join both.
At the time being, the relationship between EDEN and USA is great.
They worked together in all fronts against Hun, Ser and Rus.
If they continue to work fine, their is no problem.
What if they does not work well in the future?
As I see it, if they does not work well, it is even more needed that we join both alliance.
Because we have to cooperate closely with both EDEN and USA anyway.
If one side can not accept us joining both side, they won't accept us joining the opposite side anyway.
So what if they (or, one of them) do not want us to join the other side?
My solution is, join neither. Things are easier in this way.
Some may argue that a small alliance works better. Therefore joining both will result in the least efficiency.
Clearly, the efficiency will be worst if we join both.
But battles in this game are simple adding or subtracting calculation.
The one with bigger number wins, not the one with better statics.
The recent article has made it even clearer to me that the 'small alliance' idea is a joke.
Isn't Enterne working with Pheonix, and, Broliance and Sol working with EDEN?
Is Pheonix doing better than PEACE? Is EDEN doing better than Atlantis?
I sincerely wish that Pheonix be splitted into two alliances. But this is not going to be true.
5, how to enter alliances.
We should not make hasty decisions.
Nowadays it seems to be clear that both EDEN and Broliance want us to be in.
First, we should have public discussion. Meanwhile, the congress and cabinet should make a tentative decison.
Hopefully, the cabinet and congree would have the same idea.
Then the president can make some formal diclaration.
After that, the alliance should make a formal invitation.
Then the congress should vote the issue again.
In the last step, some kind of public voting by eChina citizens are necessry.
We do not want to be like UK. The decision should be once forever. Have to be careful.
While the negotiation of joining one alliance ought to be easy,
it is unknown if it is possible to join both.
Thus the whold thing also depends on the result of the governmental negotiation. And it ain't easy.
To sum it, as I think, we have 4 possible choices:
1, remain neutral;
2, join EDEN;
3, join Broliance;
4, join both.
Note that in any of the choices, we will continue to work closely with Sol, Japan, EDEN and USA.
I select 4. If not possible, I select 1.
What do you think?
黑龙江回归了。这是我们加入EDEN或Broliance的一个好时机。
如果说加入了EDEN或Broliance也不能保证盟友的投入的话,不加入就更危险 了。
与当初得到辽宁不同的是,如今的我们,与EDEN、美国有了更深的感情。
此外,Sol国家和日本的倾向性也越来越明显。
再没有任何表示的话,似乎不妥。
比较麻烦的是EDEN和美国的矛盾。
我建议,同时加入EDEN和Broliance。
这是最能保证与双方合作的方法。
就我一贯具体、直接的风格,我下面来阐述我的理由。
一,我们需要EDEN和Broliance
下面是源自
http://www.ereptools.net/battles/all
的一些统计。我列出了我们自自主以来的所有关键战斗。
战斗ID 战场 伤害(万):USA Croatia Romania Spain Poland Canada Sweden Finland
8112 九州 201* 75 25 45 35 17 23 15
8310 辽宁 257* 36 25 57 18 21 19 16
8505&8508 黑龙江 275* 68 54 31 2 25 19 22
9046 辽宁 1 0 66* 0 2 17* 2 0
9120 北京 3 1 51* 60* 4 28* 0 1
10193 黑龙江 18 48 70 45 45 5 18 4
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*:可以本土参战
美国在前3个战斗中出了很大的力气。克罗地亚配合最多,其他EDEN国家也有参与。
后来俄罗斯进攻辽宁,EDEN(包括美国)在北巴西战斗,使得辽宁失守。这场战斗让大 家对EDEN的信心降低。
但是,在最近的黑龙江之战中,EDEN证明了自己。
我们需要美国出面进攻辽宁。EDEN也要下力气。
北京和黑龙江的防守需要美国+EDEN的MPP。
将来如果黑龙江丢失,也需要美国、EDEN合作出手。
情况是,少了EDEN或者美国,都不行。
关于入EDEN的费用,我觉得是次要问题。我们可以将会费与铁的产量联系起来。有了黑 龙江以后,我们应该有些钱作这个。
二,EDEN也需要我们。
之前,为了EDEN压制匈牙利、塞尔维亚,我们很努力。
美国需要我们协助,保留与印度的换地可能,对高铁的防御很重要。
我们对Sol和日本的影响力,使得我们更加重要。
我们处在与俄罗斯、塞尔维亚、印尼旁边。任何旨在削弱对手的行动,都与我们有关。
我们的部队在成长。移动部队已经有了表现。
三,Sol。
与Sol的关系不会受到大的影响。
本身,Sol就不禁止入其他盟的行为。
最近,Sol许多国家和EDEN、美国越走越近。日本也加入了Broliance。
四,EDEN和美国的关系
加拿大是同时参与两个盟的一个例子。当然啦,他与我们还不完全一样。
目前EDEN和美国关系还好。几个战斗都有配合。以后,还是说不定。
但是,如果EDEN和美国关系变差,也许我们更需要在两个盟当中。否则就不好作啦。
如果说EDEN和美国不愿意我们两边加入的话。那只加入另一方,就更不愿意啦。
如果说,真的不可行,我建议,干脆维持现状好了。否则关系很难处。
至于最近盛传的“小联盟主意”,则完全是扯淡。
读了 这篇文章 以后, 事实更加清楚了:小联盟只是一个忽悠。
erep的战争系统是加减法的游戏。力大的取胜。配合并不那么重要。
五,入盟步骤
1,试探EDEN四大国和美国的态度。
2,公众讨论,议会讨论,内阁讨论。希望议会和内阁观点一致。
3,议会通过初步决议。
4,总统公开入盟意向。
5,联盟发出正式邀请。
6,议会就入盟具体条款投票。
7,某种形式的全名公决。
要慎重。所以慢一些不怕。
另外,实际上,要让EDEN和美国都同意我们同时入两个盟,是有难度的。能不能成另说 。但是,即使能成,也不知道要怎么个过程。
总结:
我认为我们现在有4个选择。反正我们要和双方都继续紧密合作。
1,保持“中立”
2,加入EDEN。
3,加入Broliance。
4,都加入。
我选择4。如果不可行,我选择1。大家怎么看?
Comments
這是公投嗎?
当然不是公投。
是我个人意见。
EDEN 的国家利益战略中心在欧洲,我们跟美国在亚洲有更多的合作。
感谢 EDEN 为 eChina 解放事业的付出,但以 eChina 现在的国力水平,跟 EDEN 和 eUSA 只是合作的关系。加入这些联盟,亦不会有太多话语权。
我选择1,即跟 EDEN + eUSA 合作的独立国家。
显然LZ无资格发起公投,叫做民调好一点
我选1
"erep的战争系统是加减法的游戏。力大的取胜。配合并不那么重要。&q uot; 这个到V2还真不一定
支持
1, remain neutral
我選1
EDEN 的国家利益战略中心在欧洲,我们跟美国在亚洲有更多的合作。
感谢 EDEN 为 eChina 解放事业的付出,但以 eChina 现在的国力水平,跟 EDEN 和 eUSA 只是合作的关系。加入这些联盟,亦不会有太多话语权。
我选择1,即跟 EDEN + eUSA 合作的独立国家。
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都加入有点问题,目前美国和eden还是有矛盾的,同时入两个联盟对两个联盟的信息机 密都有影响。。而且将来万一开战。。。
2、3、4 都可 ,除了1
在New World 裡,可能就只有eChina 覺自己還是個中立國了
如果要玩中立,就把除了SOL之外 的 MPP 取消吧,敢嗎?
我其实不准备在EDEN或Broliance有什么话语权。
只是,双方的关系进展到了一定的程度,就需要在组织上也有进展。
否则,就无法建立更紧密的联系。
如果说,EDEN和美国由于机密问题,不要我们,这是一回事。
但是我们没有入盟的表示,就是另一回事了。
兩邊加入沒甚麼可能
沒這種錢
而且人家會懷疑你的忠誠
@chad2009 为什么要取消MPP,我们一直这么签过来,也不是成员国。
现在的情况,从经济上或者军事上,保持现状都更好
嗷,什么都不做,就可以保持现状了么。
关系,是不进则退的。
4
Join Both? 長遠來說國家的財力足以應付嗎?
和 mariohexu 意见一致.
4
以现在的国力,加入哪个联盟都负担不起,更何况同时加入两个。
既然e米帝跟EDEN还维持着合作关系,我们也不用急于做出决定,保持现在的密切合作 关系就好。
建议等黑龙江发展一下再说。
还是Sol吧。
现在EDEN、Bro、Sol基本属于并肩作战,Sol比较便宜。
个人意见2
eden本质上是欧洲联盟,我们可以和美国走得更近些。
过去我们在中立状态下合作的前提是我们有着共同而迫切的利益——凤凰或者更具体地说是 辽宁、黑龙江
但不能持续长久,当辽宁也回归的时候我们必须做出选择。。。
我选4
感觉会费还是主要问题...
保持合作,并提出进一步合作的意向。对加入EDEN还是Broliance的问题上, 个人觉得偏向于Broliance
共同利益更大,重心基本一致
决不能“中立”,会让盟友失望,下次就真的没人帮我们了
继续SOL吧
3
比起EDEN, 我更信美國。
不能同意你更多了!!!!!!!!!!!!!
选1
当观察员吧
我依然认为这种看似聪明的玩中立玩过头的话会把EC玩死
我會選擇1,eC一直都有移動部隊支持盟軍活動,加入聯盟要再觀察一段時間
GOODIDEA!
我也选4。
mario你参选总统吧。
维持个中立的马甲毫无意义,事实上ec每次的胜利都是依靠了eden和eusa的强大 援助,大家不要视而不见好不好?与其在那里扭扭捏捏的中立,其实也没获得任何话语权啊 ?
除了1,其他都好了。
有些人看问题的观点就是小家子气,两边都加入就一定两边都不受待见吗?我看未必。中国 可以作为两边的桥梁纽带,起到一个润滑油的作用,很可能两边都会讨好我们。毕竟我们现 在也不是很弱,资源也有了。
4
我支持迅速的加入Broliance,并且和EDEN保持友好关系...
EDEN关键时刻可持,但平日还是美国人更稳妥
3
4...有沒有政府大員出來說說財政政狀況, 要是沒錢的話, 那根本不用討論...
stay neutral is not a decision, eden and brolliance cant help as forever, and we chose to be neutral....-.-, so i think joining EDEN is the best way for eChina to become a powerful country...
维持现状比较好.
4
voted
同意1
1 和 4 没区别
不加入
没足够利益
When we took back HLJ, we either buried neutral or we will lose it. So unless we want to lose it (again), we should definitely mature as a nation and join the international community. And it's not hard to pick a side between Bro-Eden/Phoenix at least...we know who our friends are! 🙂
I choose 4: both. But I would also like to say that Sol should be our main priority.
No matter what is decided...I think binding referendums are the best decision!
The question as presented, though, should be 2 questions: (1) Decide to remain neutral or not, then (2) decide which alliance to join... 🙂
选择4。如果不可行,我选择1。 +1
可以试试4,但是我觉得希望不大。即便成了,当EDEN和Bro的目标不一致时,我们 应该怎么做?比如某一天EDEN要求进攻墨西哥,Bro要求中立的时候。
所以最后可能还是保持1的可能性比较大。