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Im sorry, i think i tripped face first into the twilight zone... isn't the AIP's initiative to provide a vehicle for individuals to persue political aspirations without the need to 'toe the line' in regards to a particular parties ideals they may not completely hold as their own?
i've been at a gripe with the AIP for a little while anyhow. how can a collection of INDEPENDANTS hold a 'center line approach'... it's stupifying. If ALL the independants adhear to a centralist stance, call yourselves the Australian Centralist Party... dont fly a false banner.
The very fact a 'independant' collective has its own gazette to endorse ANY (even their own) candidate is lends itself to the establishment, not what i believe an independant collective should be ie. the ability for an individual to stand alone for nomination; a way around eRepublik's limitations.

In conclusion, stop being dumb.

apologies for my horrific engrish/gramar just then 😁

yeah the AIP really can't participate in CP elections...

I see no reason why a group of independents couldn't agree on a PM candidate to support (at least by majority). No doubt, they could each come from very different ideological standpoints, but I think it's clear that the leadership of this political organisation (Xavier in particular) is moderate.

Most independants are, by nature, moderate.

Some astute points made. voted.

nope. your wrong Alte. there should be no such thing as a collective conscience in the AIP... certainly not one that is publically and officially voiced. there should not even be a spokesperson...

additionally your point about AIP 'leadership' is foleyed. the closest thing to leadership that should exist in an organisation like the AIP is an administrator.

thirdly, i quote you: "Most independants are, by nature, moderate"... well done captain obvious; so what?

lastly, the whole Independant collective thing is a great idea, the execution was piss poor. the only thing the AIP has achieved at this point has been the founding of another ANP... but less successful and more dense. Its a shame, because i really rate Xavier Griffith.

I agree with lillmat. This is what I was trying to get @ in my very first article for -de Oz-

http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/independence-for-independents-first-issue-of-de-oz--739755/1/20

If you want a centrist party, you can't be Independent

""We feel the move to the more communist left by the ADSP over the last few terms and the apparent desire Derek of the ADSP seems to have had for this large shift to the left didn't really benefit the country and certainly wasn't going to benefit the General Managers of the Country.""

u mean all the terms since creation of eAustralia 😉. to be honest the ADSP have benefited the country beyond belief economically and politically. the reason why we actually have a fair amount of companies still running is due to the ADSP making it fair for all so even the newb GM's have a chance in this eWorld. agreed with lilmatts last post.

Have to say I agree. How can the AIP say it doesn't want it's members to 'toe the line' and then tell everyone who to vote for.

If it was a majority desicion, then I'm expecting some other members to write an article about against this they are.

"thirdly, i quote you: "Most independants are, by nature, moderate"... well done captain obvious; so what?"

Well, then you concede that everything Xavier has said about supporting Calibur because he is more moderate than DA is valid.

I assume a great deal of discussion went into this decision, and Xavier is relating that. It is a fact of the game mechanics that political Parties need a President. Xavier I guess could be considered the Boss of a union of independents.

Perhaps it would be better if the nation was given a full rundown of every AIP senator's opinion on this, but as I recall, their Party forums are open to all. If you're interested, take a look there.

so if your an independant you must vote/endorse the most moderate candidate? read over what your saying and then punch yourself very hard in the face!

loads of independents aren't centrist!!!
wtf the AIP isn't even a party, simply a vehicle
choose whether your going to be centrist, or independent, because you cannot be both

just read the AIP forum what we're all about deal...

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Welcome to the Australian Independents Party Forum

The Australian Independents Party or AIP was formed to allow members of the Country that are unable to find a political party that suits their needs to join as an Independent Senator.

We ask that ALL members of the Party register with the eRepublik Australia Forums as all government work is done from that forum.

The AIP doesn't have any specific political beliefs or bent. In real politics is possible for a single individual to actually win election into government even though they are not in a specific political party.

The eRepublik however DOE'S NOT allow such access, this is where the AIP comes into its own. It allows those members that would like attempt to get into the government to do so by joining this political party.

AIP will not demand that you vote in a specific way, although on the AIP forums we will seek your opinion and see if we can be united in a decision.

If the AIP can hold a reason amount in the government it would give us and our members a distinct advantage and allow us to have the major parties come to us with offers and deals if we support their proposals.

If you would like more information then feel free to IM Xavier Griffith in eRepublik or in the Public Discussion Forum.

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CONDTRODICT verb 1. say that something said is not true or that something is wrong. 2. say the opposite of, [from contra - Latin + dicere = say]

cant find the discussion on this issue, but i guess you'll say all 25 members agreed on this statement? pfff. i think the AIP is revealing what a crap-sack it is.

''If the AIP can hold a reason amount in the government it would give us and our members a distinct advantage and allow us to have the major parties come to us with offers and deals if we support their proposals.''

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so the AIP as an entity has a conscience... thats what your saying. then your not an independant collective, your a political party with an initiated platform, yet you openly state "The AIP doesn't have any specific political beliefs or bent."

You see people, this is what happens when the mentally handicaped start dabbling in political policy.

^ probably harsh, but... meh. im going to bed.

ye it is a little harsh and probably should be changed mat. we r all m8s here and i dont see why u have to try to put pressure on a friendly discussion.

"so if your an independant you must vote/endorse the most moderate candidate?" You would well to take Logical Thinking 1004 mate, you're begging the question. Futhermore, a little tact would suit you better. I'm not even going to bother.

@ Taytaz: Maybe most of these ones are (Let's face it, everything but the far-right is already represented elsewehre) You make a valid point, but I still think that although many of the AIP may presently be centrists, the concept the AIP (to allow independent senators a chance to get elected) is a great one, and as new faces arrive, we may see a great deal less unity in the 'Party'.

I've already said, it has to be a Party and it has to have a PP, those are the confines of the game. Not ideal, but that's the fact of the matter.

Thank you Xavier for the support. 🙂

I would also like to say that I am being supported by the AAA!

The fact that moderate lefties (such as Xavier) are supporting the nonleft candidate should be a sign to the ADSP that certain members on the leadership team had taken the ADSP too far towards the far left.

Surely those ADSP leaders should be joining the far left party if they believe in far left policies instead of dragging the ADSP towards the far left. Failing that, the ADSP members have a important decision to make about their (& ADSP's) future.

The AIP supports Calibur because the AIP membership hadn't decided either way. Whether the AIP members vote for him is a completely different matter altogether. As the Party President I can make suggestions, if the members don't like it so be it, not my problem. The party doesn't force its members to "Tow the party line".

As for nominating themselves, they are always free to do that, nominate themselves for the PMs position. Although considering I'm I currently hold the highest level in the party and also that I'm probably the most vocal in Politics and the positions I've held, I doubt anybody else would have faired very well in the Election.

It makes better "party" sense for us to continue to grow, gain more members in the senate and work our way up. The more vocal and the more interest the senator are and do the more we will get in.

There certainly wouldn't even be a sure bet that the AIP would have voted for me as their PP if I'd decided to run for PM, but it depends on whether I could match the offer Calibur made to the Members of the AIP to gain their support doesn't it lillmat?

But then you aren't even involved in the politics of the Country, or is it just that you haven't been able to find one to your liking yet?

"As the Party President I can make suggestions, if the members don't like it so be it, not my problem"
lol, so its YOUR party then?

you are independents, therefore, stay INDEPENDENT

good post AW.
@ calibur we can all consider the AAA's support next to nothing since their all prettymuch inactive and want nothing to do with our country and its politics.

good post AW
@ calibur, since the AAA are practically inactive and want nothing to do with our country and its politics. its safe to say their support counts as next to nothing.

Independents are free to vote their conscious unlike members of the ADSP who are expected to toe the party line . Xavier is free to support whomever he likes . I like that he showed a lot of class in not replying to leftist attacks in this article .
Senator Bilbarus

Xave is NOT the AIP bilbarus
we don't need your attacks at leftist comments here either, take your negativity elsewhere