A reply to Clopo's article
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Published in South Korea 
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by roland_up
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This is an extremely long article
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I am sorry for this long article, I know a lot of people is going to say TLDR; but I think people are entitled to both sided of the story, and not opinions from just one side. That's why I write it.
The original article can be founded here. As I dont have a lot of time to write this, I will just response to the other article point to point.
"(To) encouraged by the huge number of new players, the new leaders forgot about FSR and decided to start a political war against them..."
Unfortunately, that statement defy basic logic. It takes two sides to have a political power struggle, not one. I couldn't have power struggle with the Koreans, because I simply doesn't care about power.
There were countless number of settlements that were tabled to Clopoyaur to end the dispute, but he insisted on monopolising all the real power, and decision making.
As he said so himself, there were "6000 koreans and 150 FSR members". For what reasons 6000 people have to follow the order of 150? Is this game overly complex? It is not? Most of the game play is not about the game, but about people.
"The best option would of have been North Korea, accessible at that time."
Except of course, it is not, North Korea is a colony of eChina, and based on how Japan was humbled by China by even suggested to a swap which turn into a full blow war, and Japan was nearly destroyed. eNK it seems wasnt such a good idea Clopo thought to be.
"Parts of the country were then rented in unknown conditions to Taiwan, an unclear swap was started with Japan, and no battle orders were issued or articles to explain the situation to all the citizens."
Just because it is unknown to some people doesnt mean it is unknown to everyone else. And for the swap deal with Japan, if not for FSR's meddling, by attacking when they should be holding fire and vice versa, the swap wouldnt be such a mess without FSR's meddling.
This is something well known to not just to eSK players, but also to eJapan players, so this is a little lie he told there.
"New leaders were interested only by the political power leaving everything else as secondary priority."
As I have said, it took two to tango, you can't have a political struggle with only one side, it doesnt work that way. FSR continued to ignore call to stop approving people to vote in the election, they continue to mess up the TW/Swap, and the worst of all, they created hundreds of multies to help them win election. Where are all this in Clopo's critique of the government? FSR is a menace to the eSK community, and they should take responsibility for your deeds.
"this thrown new players away also, since they didn’t had the right to vote or to candidate, all the seats being taken by “old seniors” and everybody having the vote dictated. Posibilities?"
Isn't that interesting? Because THIS is exactly how FSR conduct their voting, as most of the votes were assigned to people rather than they decide who to vote for.
They complained about the votes are being managed, and yet this is the system they used themselves. What is that word started with 'H' that describe their behaviour?
Moreover, I believe the Koreans use a primary system that preselected candidates. Yes, the votes were managed in game, but in the primary, it isn't. So, while they dont have the prefect, ideal environment, their system is a far better than what the OP gave them credit for.
"No political possibility to progress.
No Chinese or Taiwanese to fight.
No economic bonuses to grow.
Nothing interesting was offered to the new player to stay in the game."
I dont agree with the first three, but the fourth one sounded about right, and hence they jumped at the chance of fighting against China and RoC in this war despite the consequences of the wars, and FSR is against that.
"From the baby-boom in June till now more than 8 milion KRW were donated to the bank. A deposit of around 1000 gold and 1 milion KRW was fast made but then something happened. Out of the sudden 500+ gold disappeared from the accounts."
Let me give everyone a hint, do you know how even new players in eSK who have just started the time could have dozens of companies. The money are being used on the players themselves.
"A blitz baby-boom requested great efforts in keeping them active in the game. Many bread donations campaigns were made at the start of the baby-boom, but instead of teaching the players how to build their economy part (in time of peace), they were learned only to beg for bread or for governmental support. Very few articles were explaining the economic mechanic of the game, while those about politics were too many. With a few exceptions, the majority of the players born in June, and still playing, are underdeveloped economically and are playing the game without dedication."
I dont know where has he been? There were tons of articles written for newbies for the past 6 months. And if you have written something, you dont have to write the same thing again and again, this is a thing called a link and you can basically link to an existing article without repeat yourself.
Moreover, they have a forum, that most of the Korean players had an account there, and they can host their files, links, etc...
There were nothing like such when the FSR was in power.
"had no political freedom (as everyone was directed to vote for old Korean players in the name of fight against FSR) and very few reasons to resist."
1. The new generation of government officials are all new players who played less than a year or even 6 months, from Ernesto the MoD to isforver the MoI. Sorry, but this is plain lie.
2. There is very few reasons to resist, because FSR has continued to do things that people detest.
"South Koreas army NEVER managed to have a coordinated action be it in training war or in an ally fight!"
That is very simple, because it is a training war where the result has no bearing, so no one have any motivation to do anything. And you should be surprise what these 2 days of war with China and RoC has cause great changes to their military. Too bad FSR missed it.
As to allies, that is because they dont consider them as REAL allies. Having a MPP doesnt mean they are allies. The Koreans agreed to join EDEN because Clopo blackmail them if they dont, then he will use FSR's congress votes to stop all the money bills in congress at that time.
They werent the ones who say I am going to befriend with that country, so how could feel a sense of partnership with them.
"Contradicting his own policy, SK decided to make MPPs with Macedonia, the country that tried 1 year ago to PTO SK and was stopped by FSR or with Indonezia, that by the same time tried and succeeded to PTO Japan."
Well, if they stopped PTOing eSK, they can still be partners, what a surprise!
"1 month ago, Danyeo, known anti-chinese nationalist left Japan and joined South Korea drifting the country very far away from their old allies and switching all the alliances towards ONE."
The alliances were sign AFTER we noticed RoC's intention to invade. Not before. THe author is confusing the cause and effect to his own advantage.
"Such an act could not leave China and ROC indifferent as it was dangerous for both nations to have a country full of ONE MPPs at their borders"
If RoC didnt threaten eSK, those MPPs wouldn't have been signed.
"Who will help South Korean now?"
South Koreans will help at least. This might not actually be a bad thing, because as Clopo pointed out, they didnt have a real war to fight, now they do. Innovation are driven by competition, and not by repeating the same sequence day in day out. I disagree with their MPPs, but this war may turn out to be a good thing for them in a long term.
The game has changed a lot since. FSR had been dominating all the BH medals in eSK. But recently, the Koreans have been winning them more and more even when the FSR was fighting for them. This game is more favourable now for countries that are coordinated than ever, and this is a good chance for them to learn.
"As for FSR, you betrayed us also!"
Oh, FSR have been betrayed, compares to the countless times Clopo lie and cheat the rest of the communities by manipulating the election, keeping our money claiming they have spent it for stablising the MM, gave out our land for free without telling anyone, and the list go and on.
I think after all these, if they still expect other people to be nice and fair with them. Here's one word of advice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv2JDCKLi0k&feature=related
Regards,
roland_up
An ordinary citizen
This is an extremely long article
Flamers ignore mode activated
I am sorry for this long article, I know a lot of people is going to say TLDR; but I think people are entitled to both sided of the story, and not opinions from just one side. That's why I write it.
The original article can be founded here. As I dont have a lot of time to write this, I will just response to the other article point to point.
"(To) encouraged by the huge number of new players, the new leaders forgot about FSR and decided to start a political war against them..."
Unfortunately, that statement defy basic logic. It takes two sides to have a political power struggle, not one. I couldn't have power struggle with the Koreans, because I simply doesn't care about power.
There were countless number of settlements that were tabled to Clopoyaur to end the dispute, but he insisted on monopolising all the real power, and decision making.
As he said so himself, there were "6000 koreans and 150 FSR members". For what reasons 6000 people have to follow the order of 150? Is this game overly complex? It is not? Most of the game play is not about the game, but about people.
"The best option would of have been North Korea, accessible at that time."
Except of course, it is not, North Korea is a colony of eChina, and based on how Japan was humbled by China by even suggested to a swap which turn into a full blow war, and Japan was nearly destroyed. eNK it seems wasnt such a good idea Clopo thought to be.
"Parts of the country were then rented in unknown conditions to Taiwan, an unclear swap was started with Japan, and no battle orders were issued or articles to explain the situation to all the citizens."
Just because it is unknown to some people doesnt mean it is unknown to everyone else. And for the swap deal with Japan, if not for FSR's meddling, by attacking when they should be holding fire and vice versa, the swap wouldnt be such a mess without FSR's meddling.
This is something well known to not just to eSK players, but also to eJapan players, so this is a little lie he told there.
"New leaders were interested only by the political power leaving everything else as secondary priority."
As I have said, it took two to tango, you can't have a political struggle with only one side, it doesnt work that way. FSR continued to ignore call to stop approving people to vote in the election, they continue to mess up the TW/Swap, and the worst of all, they created hundreds of multies to help them win election. Where are all this in Clopo's critique of the government? FSR is a menace to the eSK community, and they should take responsibility for your deeds.
"this thrown new players away also, since they didn’t had the right to vote or to candidate, all the seats being taken by “old seniors” and everybody having the vote dictated. Posibilities?"
Isn't that interesting? Because THIS is exactly how FSR conduct their voting, as most of the votes were assigned to people rather than they decide who to vote for.
They complained about the votes are being managed, and yet this is the system they used themselves. What is that word started with 'H' that describe their behaviour?
Moreover, I believe the Koreans use a primary system that preselected candidates. Yes, the votes were managed in game, but in the primary, it isn't. So, while they dont have the prefect, ideal environment, their system is a far better than what the OP gave them credit for.
"No political possibility to progress.
No Chinese or Taiwanese to fight.
No economic bonuses to grow.
Nothing interesting was offered to the new player to stay in the game."
I dont agree with the first three, but the fourth one sounded about right, and hence they jumped at the chance of fighting against China and RoC in this war despite the consequences of the wars, and FSR is against that.
"From the baby-boom in June till now more than 8 milion KRW were donated to the bank. A deposit of around 1000 gold and 1 milion KRW was fast made but then something happened. Out of the sudden 500+ gold disappeared from the accounts."
Let me give everyone a hint, do you know how even new players in eSK who have just started the time could have dozens of companies. The money are being used on the players themselves.
"A blitz baby-boom requested great efforts in keeping them active in the game. Many bread donations campaigns were made at the start of the baby-boom, but instead of teaching the players how to build their economy part (in time of peace), they were learned only to beg for bread or for governmental support. Very few articles were explaining the economic mechanic of the game, while those about politics were too many. With a few exceptions, the majority of the players born in June, and still playing, are underdeveloped economically and are playing the game without dedication."
I dont know where has he been? There were tons of articles written for newbies for the past 6 months. And if you have written something, you dont have to write the same thing again and again, this is a thing called a link and you can basically link to an existing article without repeat yourself.
Moreover, they have a forum, that most of the Korean players had an account there, and they can host their files, links, etc...
There were nothing like such when the FSR was in power.
"had no political freedom (as everyone was directed to vote for old Korean players in the name of fight against FSR) and very few reasons to resist."
1. The new generation of government officials are all new players who played less than a year or even 6 months, from Ernesto the MoD to isforver the MoI. Sorry, but this is plain lie.
2. There is very few reasons to resist, because FSR has continued to do things that people detest.
"South Koreas army NEVER managed to have a coordinated action be it in training war or in an ally fight!"
That is very simple, because it is a training war where the result has no bearing, so no one have any motivation to do anything. And you should be surprise what these 2 days of war with China and RoC has cause great changes to their military. Too bad FSR missed it.
As to allies, that is because they dont consider them as REAL allies. Having a MPP doesnt mean they are allies. The Koreans agreed to join EDEN because Clopo blackmail them if they dont, then he will use FSR's congress votes to stop all the money bills in congress at that time.
They werent the ones who say I am going to befriend with that country, so how could feel a sense of partnership with them.
"Contradicting his own policy, SK decided to make MPPs with Macedonia, the country that tried 1 year ago to PTO SK and was stopped by FSR or with Indonezia, that by the same time tried and succeeded to PTO Japan."
Well, if they stopped PTOing eSK, they can still be partners, what a surprise!
"1 month ago, Danyeo, known anti-chinese nationalist left Japan and joined South Korea drifting the country very far away from their old allies and switching all the alliances towards ONE."
The alliances were sign AFTER we noticed RoC's intention to invade. Not before. THe author is confusing the cause and effect to his own advantage.
"Such an act could not leave China and ROC indifferent as it was dangerous for both nations to have a country full of ONE MPPs at their borders"
If RoC didnt threaten eSK, those MPPs wouldn't have been signed.
"Who will help South Korean now?"
South Koreans will help at least. This might not actually be a bad thing, because as Clopo pointed out, they didnt have a real war to fight, now they do. Innovation are driven by competition, and not by repeating the same sequence day in day out. I disagree with their MPPs, but this war may turn out to be a good thing for them in a long term.
The game has changed a lot since. FSR had been dominating all the BH medals in eSK. But recently, the Koreans have been winning them more and more even when the FSR was fighting for them. This game is more favourable now for countries that are coordinated than ever, and this is a good chance for them to learn.
"As for FSR, you betrayed us also!"
Oh, FSR have been betrayed, compares to the countless times Clopo lie and cheat the rest of the communities by manipulating the election, keeping our money claiming they have spent it for stablising the MM, gave out our land for free without telling anyone, and the list go and on.
I think after all these, if they still expect other people to be nice and fair with them. Here's one word of advice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv2JDCKLi0k&feature=related
Regards,
roland_up
An ordinary citizen
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My head hurts from reading about FSR.
Let's face it: FSR is living in the past, a past where their time as the milkers of eSK was their final goal. When that's been taken away from them, what do they do? Go around throwing wrenches at the current administrators' works and them blaming those who are the victims of FSR.
In the end, the wave of time has destroyed FSR as the rulers of eSK. Now it is time for the true eSKers, those who truly think of the country, to lead eSK.
vote.
I think the answer to Clopo should be more convincing if it comes from a RL Korean.
VS
"I think the answer to Clopo should be more convincing if it comes from a RL Korean. "
Depends on the questions, if the questions are related to their opinion, probably, if it is about whether there are tutorial articles, then probably not.
Roland_up, I will answer with one single question: What stopped RL South Koreans in the last 5 months to build a strong country?
[They had political power, they had financial funds, they had all the decisions at hand].
Then allow me to ask this, Clopoyaur: Has eSK grown in any way while you were plundering the treasury, except for your own strength and factories?
vs
"What stopped RL South Koreans in the last 5 months to build a strong country?"
They didnt stop building a strong country. They have made a lot of progress, when I went to go to the market to buy something, there are always people I have never heard of, so there are more company owners or importers now compares to 5 months ago, and I am not talking about Q1s, or raw, I am talking about Q5 food and tanks.
On the battlefield, as I have mentioned, there are plenty of Korean winning BH medals. 5 months ago, we might only have about 20, up to a few days ago, there were 96.
Things that you think only you could and they are doing it now, in my dictionary, that's call stronger, isn't it?
Sumeraki Akeiko: South Korea existed on the map for all the time FSR had the lead of the country, unlike the majorty of small countries in the area. South Korea won the war with Japan and won the war with Taiwan. You benefited from a baby-boom, because FSR was there to create the environment for that and to give you a country to live in.
As for "plundering the treasury" do you have any proof? Or you just repeating things that you havea heard from your master Grease? When you have it, show it to me... I have shown you the proof that rythemdj is a thief, certified by admin - http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/letters-that-should-or-should-not-be-written--1821648/1/20
I continue Roland_up: What prevented them to issue battle orders? What oprevented them to develop like the babies from Taiwan (as Taiwan had a similar baby-boom, indeed smaller, shortly after the Korean baby-boom)? What stopped them to learn to organize themselfs in battles, to hit the damage when is needed and where is needed?
FSR or incompetence of your leaders?
Grease as my master? Given that I'm the one who helped him grow in his first days, I would myself who would be the master if we had such an relationship.
I've looked on eSK since I started playing, and I had seen eSK being run down to the ground upon your mass naturalization as eSKers. I don't need any proof from others except for my own experience.
As for your points on baby booms: You seem to have forgotten that RL Korea has the largest online game market per capita. In such a competitive environment, a game like eRepublik would barely keep a hold on people. We who remain are the dedicated, and worth more than any ten regular eTaiwanese in being able to organize our forces. It showed right up in the current war, when in the first battles we've been able to go toe to toe with the eTaiwanese, despite having to fight on two fronts and also dealing with your double-crossing.
Delusion is fragile, as much as FSR's hold over Koreans are non-existent.
"What prevented them to issue battle orders? "
They have a script system where they can issue order there, and what's more, since you now have now, MU leader should do the shout, and everyone in the MU can receive their order. That's what our MU do anyway.
If that is not enough, you still have the IRC.
"What prevented them to develop like the babies from Taiwan (as Taiwan had a similar baby-boom, indeed smaller, shortly after the Korean baby-boom)?"
err... what do you mean by develop like the babies from Taiwan? We certainly dont have a lot of parters in this country. But Ernesto Jeon who is doing much of the organisation of this war now was a baby from that time, and so is isforever, and so is many others.
"What stopped them to learn to organize themselfs in battles, to hit the damage when is needed and where is needed?"
I have already explain it, if everything was done for them, or decided for them, where is the incentive for them to innovate? Now, the FSR is gone, they have the prefect opportunity to take control and they have already developing new system and tactics.
"FSR or incompetence of your leaders? "
Sounds like good leaders for doing all these things, and ignorant FSR who doesnt know shxt about how the Korean operate.
But dear Sumeragi Akeiko you are Japanese and in terms of immigration you have the same status as we have yet your friend Grease took care of you and he has put you in the congress. So please know your place and don't discriminate others as you are "PTOing" eSK right now.
vs!
And roland_up is Japanese too... How convenient..
A difference there is that while you're a Romanian in RL, I'm ethnically Japanese/Korean, and a nationalist to boot. With determination I had built up my wealth to free eSK from the colonist, and now is the result of the year long effort, which the people recognized by electing me in the primaries. I'm of a different caliber from nomads who bribe people to buy seat, those who have such self-defeating logical errors to even realize that all the world except yourselves recognize you for who you are. You're simple opportunists who would turn around if gold is part of the deal.
@Akeiko Sorry but I am not buying it and you are the one that is wrong considering that you are different from us. We did for eSK much more than you will ever do, we sacrificed more than any of you know from our pride, dignity and wealth just so that eSK to exist.
If it weren't for our actions here what is happening now would have happened one year ago and you would have no country in which to be a congressman.
Our mistake was to sacrifice too much for people that don't deserve it and that's why now we feel that you deserve what is happening. And you deserve it a lot and much more!
Oh don't worry, if we hadn't liberated eSK from PTO forces as yourself, I would still have been a congresswoman in eJapan. Moreover, yes, you have sacrificed much, but only for your clique kingdom in which to had totalitarian control. Sort of hard to buy much from someone like you.
As is tradition, Heaven will give victory to the virtuous in a conflict. We shall settle this once and for all with ultimate victory over your fading ghosts.
I bet on ghosts!
bla bla bla FSR e de vina bla bla bla de asta ne cucereste china bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
rezumat scurt la articolul lui loland_up , cica vrea sa ne ignore atunci il tratam si noi cu spatele
"We did for eSK much more than you will ever do, we sacrificed more than any of you know from our pride, dignity and wealth just so that eSK to exist.
If it weren't for our actions here what is happening now would have happened one year ago and you would have no country in which to be a congressman."
you are somewhat right in the sense that without the oppressor, there wont be peolple fighting a revolution. But if we changed the oppressor from someone else, the same would have happened, the Koreans will eventually grew and overcome the oppressor, so I dare say you are wrong in your conclusion. The world diesnt stand still
@roland_up When I was CP the country was fully in the hands of RL Koreans. Even the CP was Korean but due to some RL problems I had to replace him. Those oppressors are living only in your heads. When the baby boom happened the Grease gang seized the opportunity to indoctrinate the people against us. This gang that is leading you know were all gone when the hard war part took place. They just came back for the cookies.
So your f...ing revolution never took place as the political power has always been in the hands of RL Koreans even from that time. The only thing achieved by your so called revolution which was more like a persecution of the few in numbers was to make a dictatorial state in which the elections are done more on the preferences of a few people and not by a democratic vote.
simple question for you, if they want to quit Eden, who has the final say?
also, election have always been done in preference, since when it wasnt? but at least there is a preselection process that determine who gets to run, that is far more democratic than say... ever.
@roland_up If the want to quit EDEN they could do it. The problems started when you decided to have Indo MPP and after that add more ONE MPPs. Why would an EDEN country accept a proONE country at her door? There was no problem for you not to participate as an EDEN country in their actions, we never were a full member btw and they did not complain about it after we got our land back. No one had any problems till you started to get ONE MPPs.
Strategically it was a mistake to do that and we told you exactly what will happen if you don't stay on a pro EDEN set of MPPs.
The real problem is that our beloved leaders were so blinded by hate that they just wanted to do the opposite of what we said. This is a typical policy for the current leadership.
I said it before we build something and after that this gang comes and ruins it every time. Now it is time for us to pay for their stupid decisions and actions.
"Why would an EDEN country accept a proONE country at her door? "
They have more T/E MPPs than ONE. I dont know how that make them a proONE.
"No one had any problems till you started to get ONE MPPs."
That is no right. The Taiwanese seem to have a problem with us since the last war, and they were certain pushing for it after they ended the Phillipines NE. And if the Taiwan NE us, you can bet China will assist them.
"Strategically it was a mistake to do that and we told you exactly what will happen if you don't stay on a pro EDEN set of MPPs."
That's what I said to them too, but with Taiwan threathening us, this may not be an option for us, because no Pro EDEN is going to cross China, just like no Terra countries helped Japan when CHina invaded it.
"I said it before we build something and after that this gang comes and ruins it every time. Now it is time for us to pay for their stupid decisions and actions. "
The outcome may not be as bad as you think it is. There is a war, there are increase in activity, there are more people interested in the game. And thanks to Plato's changes, they can make going even without any land. It is not all groom and doom at all
@roland_up you first statement is false. We had more ONE MPPs for quite some time now: Indonezia, Slovenia, FYROM, Iran they are all ONE and we have them for quite some time now
"The Taiwanese seem to have a problem with us since the last war, and they were certain pushing for it after they ended the Phillipines NE. And if the Taiwan NE us, you can bet China will assist them."
If you had us (FSR) on your side, maybe things would have been different. But hey, you fucked us first, so now we return the favor 😉
roland_up nu te dor degetele de atata scris, mama draga?🙂
you true'ly are nothing more than a bunch of scumbags ...
where was all this anti FSR propaganda when we were saving your scumbag asses from invasion?
you cum buckets wouldn't have had nothing ,not even a region to call home ,not to mention all of eSk's original territories ,and not to mention your baby boom if it weren't for us to repel the chinese invasion . So stop trying to explain your actions ,or to place the blame on us ,you are just a bunch of traitorous scumbags ...nothing more ,nothing less ...