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Every nation has a right to be free, but to be free you have to fight for your freedom.

I personally came here, applied for a eBelgian citizenship to fight together with you for your freedom, my current enation is nothing beside bunch of power hungry self concerned men starving for more.

If I would to be in your shoes I wouldnt allow another enation become your master, you have your pride, you have your guns... Use them!

you're more eBelgian that an eBelgian \o/

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I didn't read all your article but you received order from CoT MC (Kaad) to AS Slovenia. UK is a good friend of Slovenia made their best to protect them. Of course, there was a huuge shield and UK + allies had some problems to break it.

Now, if former CoT MC didn't wanted that eBE prepare an AS : UK should never invade you. We had no reason. You had correct relations with PL and UK. Because a Belgian wanted a silly plan : you listened him and pay the price.

If my memory is good, you have a PTO threat (mainly Croat and fyromian). If UK wiped Belgium, it should means : no congress and you are saved for a month. A couple of Ptoters should probably return to their own country (or check about a new target). Now, you have CoT sending like 20 guys for ATO but if tomorrow : PTOters create 30-40 multies in eBE : CoT effort = 0

So much laugh o/.
Anyway it's settled. Will you please fight on eBE side like ePL did last month to get our regions back?

We know that Kaad was behind everything about the airstrike. About fighting there for eBE ? NO. If the former CoT MC didn't make that fault. You should still have your 3 regions. UK isn't to blame.

I know he didn't checked on your disposition. Nevertheless you acted without asking/pming. Which is not friendly at all.

Next time, we need to contact the other country to say : well, we plan to NE you ? It is a joke. Before organise an airstrike something like that : you check all the cofiguration. you don't choose that in 30 min. IF there is too much risks for your security : Don't do it.

But it was too late. When PL helped you on RW : it was following an agreement (TW). Here : on these RW, there is no orders to fight there (UK or eBE side).

You blame the wrong people : you don't have to blame UK (who protected a friend), you have to blame to guy who requested the AS.

eBE was a kind of nice place for CoT : neither PL or UK had interest to wipe them. Because someone wanted to play, you lost everything. I hope that you know the lesson for the next time.

Did eBE PM and ask Slovenia for permission for an Airstrike?

Tbh Konrad I didn't even know who we were aiming at. My gov just missed something in that case and I agree with last paragraph from Kravenn even if it was only an article.

In my opinion, I think the Belgians are ungrateful. They have a double standard and they are arrogant. I find it interesting that everything must be for their way. When they are about to airstrike Slovenia (which is ok to them) but when eUK busted up their plains, they play victim and cries foul. eBE is not neutral and your airstrike is not acts of friendship of hugs and kisses. In the end, eBE is behaving like an immature brat that when they do things, it is ok. When the same deed is done upon them, they cry foul and whines about it. Very disappointing indeed.

In the end, eBE is being PTOed and I think a wipe for a few months is a good thing. I would rather see ePoland do the wipe as it has more power to keep eBE longer. But once again, a few loud but mainly ignorant eBEers are being obstructionist. Their very action aids the PTOers which they claim to combat. Months of talk and there is still no action. I think it is a total disgrace.

Overall, eBE does not know thyself and it is a country in crisis. It wants to be an aggressor state for CoT but when they were attacked, they cry and whine about it. There is a PTO and yet they procrastinate and do nothing. eBE is a country of lazy incompetent people who relies on a very few experienced players like MaryamQ to do everything. That is no way to do things. eBE really needs to grow up.

You are fast in judging a whole country based on the opinion of one citizen in one article, but ok, i'll take it.

The AS does not seem to be a smart move, but it's arguable. the way it was organized was certainly not smart.

But I think you (and a few others) kind of overreact with that PTO thingie. While there are some PTOers in eBelgium, they are few and disorganized. That's my view and I am in the thick of HOPE, the party that is being accused of it. When I tell that to some oldies they have no other argument to propose besides "you're stupid and naïve". I look at the numbers, and they tell me that every time a rightful eBelgian wins the CP elections by a landslide, and there has been no suspect candidate in the last month reaching a worrisome result. As to the "growing threat", if you look at the numbers you recognize more of a wave pattern, one time growing then falling down, never reaching a critical height.

Personally eUK isn't to blame, eBE wanted to play the big guys but they didn't thought a single second about the consequences, eUK just reacted like any country in a alliance would react after knowing a boarding country is going to AS an allied country of eUK.

Seriously I never saw a move as brainless as that.

tell that to the person who decided to publish the article of the AS without the country president 's or the mofa's or the mod's approval.
it is the same person that now justify the british.
too easy to say "cot obliged us to do", "uk was compelled to attack without notice"
IT'S FALSE, COMPLETELY FALSE, CoT didn't compelled Belgium to do nothing. and UK could at least notice to belgium.

the publishing of the AS in the official newspaper has been a decision by an eBelgian person friend of those British that you see commenting this article, odd, isn't it?
CoT has no access to the official newspaper.

Man you whinge so hard Tony...

eUK was under the impression that Belgium were to be used as the tip of a CoT organised AS on Slovenia. A country under attack from many directions. Our intention was to simply remove your shield, making any AS much easier to defend.

eUK asked to take on this role, we was not ordered to by TWO. eUK knew full well that within the week eBelgium would be once again have a shield.

Whatever political games your trying to play I suggest you stop. It's being to harm your reputation.

Arrogance gets punished in this game always without failure, so will yours.

Whatever happened to your decent articles ?

This piece of junk is just full of trash and lies.

tell me the trash and the lies

The article layout looks like trash probably because you're too angry to thing straight

Lie:
A myth circulating is that UK WARNED BELGIUM BEFORE ATTACKING: FALSE, neither me (I was Minister of Foreign Affairs of Belgium) nor JdlF (the President of Belgium) received messages from UK.
Your vCP was warned before attacking, she was actually warned within the 30 minutes of publishing that famous AS article.

Lie:
Another myth, is that POLAND WAS READY TO ATTACK BELGIUM INSTEAD OF UK: FALSE, Poland was in a Natural Enemy war against the USA, which was their undisputed priority, even Miszi (Polish President) affirmed to me (Minister of Foreign Affair) that Poland had not yet any reason to attack Belgium.
The TWO SG informed your vCP that this were the two only possible options, out of courtesy he informed her that eUK would attack as it was the lesser of two evils for eBelgium. If you want to be contacted as MoFA or as CP, you should be available a bit more on IRC in public channels. Heck, if you wanted to be a good MoFA you would've been on IRC when those contacts were made instead of whining for days on end after peace has been signed.

Lie:
BELGIAN GOVERNMENT WAS SEEKING COMPROMISE WITH UK, and so it didn't ask CoT's help to do not make the war to escalate. UK did not reply to Belgian messages.
The Belgian government sought compromise after the NE vote had been started while it already had information that an attack would happen.

Lie:
WHY DOESN'T UK PUT ITS OWN DAMAGE TO LIBERATE BELGIUM (THEIR "FRIENDS")?
I've personally put in 62m+ in the battle for Brussels on eBelgian side but instead of wondering why other people don't do things for you, learn to fight for yourself instead of using Military Units as a place to socialize.

In fact I'm starting to wonder if there' even an ounce of truth to your article.

Interesting: new information that I didn't have.

(Well, I've been in IRC almost always on #ebe_mofa channel. anyway, you may also ping me, if something official was to be debated elsewhere.
But I remind this game is played in this site, a pm is the only right way to communicate to be safe)

I was MoFA but I hadn't any information from my vCP about UK and TWO messages. The same for the CP. :/
I was so convinced that our vCP told us everything that i didn't consider to investigate further in that direction. My bad.

So why this vCP didn't inform CP or MoFA?

Strangely it is the same vCP who now is justifying UK's attack and also even you as a player...

Btw:
1) IMPRECISION: well I said CP or MoFA didn't receive, so yes, but i didn't know this thing of the vCP .
2) TRUE: Poland was not attacking, whatever the TWO SG said, Miszi was the button-pressing Polish CP. i have pm
3) TRUE: after NE was started, no reply from UK. this is what i stated.
4) TRUE: I said UK not Nohjis.

In game communication to arrange MoFA business. Let me laugh, too stubborn to admit you could have done a better job.

1) You said the government wasn't informed which isn't the case, I don't care about your internal communication problems, if they were present, learn from them.
2) Noone said Poland was attacking or that plans were made in that direction, you were told this was the only other option, meaning "no attack" as you wished was not an option that existed and as such not open for negotiation.
3) Why in heavens name would you try to mediate AFTER it's too late, since UK had already given you the answer, there's no point in repeating everything fifteen times now is there, or wait...
4) I think you can already esteem yourself happy that people are asked not to fight in the battles against Belgium, this was not a Training War but a real one. As you seem so keen on fighting against UK in North Calais with your national army, you could ask yourself why on earth UK should need to waste damage it could use on helping it's own allies when it has clearly won the war against you. Out of friendship for a bunch of backstabbing people ?

I think your personal agenda is starting to become obvious here:
- You want eBelgium to be wiped by destroying relationship with your friendly neighbours
- You want to tarnish the name of several people against whom you hold grudges for mysterious reasons you don't wish to inform them about.

As pointed out in the first post, stick to what you were doing right instead of making yourself look like a little rat with respect for nobody but himself.

i have to write another article, then.
my bad, i thought my vCP would have informed me or CP about that things.
i put too much trust in her :/

nope that is absolutely not my agenda.

my agenda is that the vCP who published the AS (which provoked UK: I DIDN'T WANT TO PUBLISH THE ARTICLE), she is the same vCP who didn't inform the government, and she's the same vCP who prefers to talk with the British and justify them, instead of talking to her governement.

as the people she considers "friends of belgium" abroad and in belgium, are exactlythe same people that from time to time try to wipe belgium "for anti-PTO" against CP's and Congress' will, I'm just wondering who is controlling Belgium's future.

After your new information, Belgium is even more a British puppet than before...

Would we have allowed out puppet to join CoT?

Our history's are linked. We are and always have been the senior partner in this relationship. Thats not to say we have a hand up your arse or that we are pulling strings.

Belgium is a sovereign state which can make its own decisions, it even has a region for congress which is secured unlike Switzerland's (the nation where you're heading to as far as I've heard) which doesn't look like it will have congress elections at all because amongst others, eBelgians prefer to fight against the UK for France (nation you personally called an enemy of eBelgium as MoFA no less then two weeks ago) rather then helping the allies that actually need them.

Noone has wiped you against the will of your government for congress elections. Even if it still remains the only effective mid - long term tool against PTOs it seems that the majority of the eBelgians prefers something less effective and it's costing you more and more citizens while the others are slowly reaching the same conclusion as I did during the previous PTO attempt. I'm aware of two attempts to make an election wipe happen (both with government approval) but both failed because of people like you who worked against it and don't do what's necessary to implement a different solution.

Once again, Clifford offers us a crappy article and it is pure populistic. It is full of half truths and lots of rhetoric. Why would eUK airstrike eBE when they can invade you outright? Why is eBE on the map for such a long time if at any time UK and/ or Poland and erase you with no effort. eBE is being PTO and I know you reject this but you cannot lie or dismiss the threat of HOPE members. It is clear that you have NO understanding of game mechanics and international relations. If you think CoT really gives a damn about eBE, then you are truly delusional. When they have spare resources, they might offer you some, but when more important members are in need. eBE will be pushed aside.

Your existence and your survival is not by choice. It is not by your greatness etc. It is purely by the choice of eUK and ePoland. If they ever decide to wipe you for good, you will be powerless even with your CoT support which you put on a pedestal. So I recommend eBEers like yourself to know thyself. Know and learn of your true position in the world and then act accordingly.

Then again, you are leaving eBE since you did not get what you want, but the story is the same in Switzerland. Not much change in small countries that does not know its place...

it's maybe time to stop the debate : former belgians are with eUk to remove congress and several persons who want fight to have congress.

Ask you the right question : Think about elections, several ebelgian's left the country, but we have 144 votes. How much multis, how much foreigners online just for elections.

Please, try to have for one time a good reflection about that. Thanks

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Still I find that fun to see Kaad running away to greece for a so-called two clicking mode... after all he did.

To be honest, the past month gov is to blame, there was a serious lack of communication and they did the AS knowing there would be consequence for that. They prefered to listen to some people instead of thinking of eBE security.

Ebe played with big guns but now that it gots problem it's running away from consequences? what a shame !

i must agree with the AS, we lost a lot of money with a lot of mpp's for nothing.

yeah but, to whom did they listen? to which people?

the belgian official who had access to the official newspaper and published the article on AS (against the advice of the mofa), justified UK invasion saying that they're friends and that they were doing that because otherwise Poland would have attacked

I verified, as mofa, that poland "had not yet any reason to attack belgium". so it is excluded that this information came to this belgian official either from me (mofa) or from cot hq (which at the beginning thought it was a TW!)

on the other hand some of the british-ex/belgians who comment here justified the UK invasion exactly in the same manner: "we have to defend our allies, otherwise poland would have attacked!"

so to whom did this official prefer to listen?
whom did this official consider the most trustworthy counselors?

because the problem it's not if UK was right or wrong, but it is if some Belgian officials acted (or act) more following Belgian interests and Belgian government officials, or instead if they think that for Belgium it is better to follow the advices and the decisions coming from UK.

well, the hew info by nohjis is even more interesting:
he knew about messages to the Belgian vCP that I hadn't been made aware of...
again: why some belgian officials talk more with british than to belgians?

Someday I'll need to write an article zzz.

But on the eUK/eBE actual case because it's all i'm interested in: thank you eUK for letting us go. Please help us for retaking.

And I understand the NE even if a simple message to me or my MoFA would have settled everything. You took time to react so I guess you would have time for that. When you NE-ed us, Kaad already cancelled the AS, if i remember well.

Anyway, do we really care? 😁
Let's RW our regions and please , help us doing that.

The current Gov was not in power when the NE was launched.

Yes i know, that's why i'm not really flaming 😁.

Just correcting points when there are some mistakes 😃. And ask for help because, damn it, it will be hard to retake regions 😁.

eUKers have been helping to restore regions. eBelgs total strength is less than some eUK MU's. Medal hunters, 2 clickers and those that are ignorant are the only ones fighting. All CO's have been informed that no DO's are to be set on eBelg. eUK Gov/MoD is doing everything it can bar ordering units to fight for you.

Congress is secure for eBelgium, so use the RW's to gain TP medals for your younger players.

yes, you should write article... finally...

U just didn't want to emphaze on the past.

The most amazing thing is when foreigners beat you up against your own will while telling you it's a good thing for you.
We don't care about who's really right or wrong about PTO matters : a country decides its destiny by itself, for good decisions or for bad decisions !! So please UK, stop one for all with the argument "your wipe is better for your PTO problem". That's not an argument "from a good friend", because of eBelgium responsibility of its own decisions, that's just a lame excuse to minimize its aggression.

Now I agree with the fact we have to fight by ourselves to liberate our regions. And don't ask UK for help. They invaded us and they are our enemy.

thank you jeiry. a little bit of good sense.

unfortunately, some people in belgium think that UK should decide how to fight the PTO in belgium.
shamefully, some important Belgians justify British behaviour, even if belgium has always been friendly with UK, even when UK attacked our CoT allies. and from UK? no messages, not before not after the war started.
unfortunately Belgium is friend of the British only if it follows their interests.
shamefully, some important Belgians agree with UK.

We have been asked many times over many months that should eBelgium require it, would we wipe them...

by whom?
that's the question waynekerr...
by whom?

(by whom in Belgium?)

Leaders of your community. I haven't been privvy to PM's, but I'm assured that the question has been raised many times.

Leaders of your community. I haven't been privvy to PM's, but I'm assured that the question has been raised many times.

Well, they still should help us for their own sake, because every RW lost is a big chunk of their shield gone x)

It's rather difficult to control 2-click damage... It was agreed that eBelgium would find the fire power, so eUK could concentrate on the coming war with eFrance.

lol

as i sai😛 UK's interests before CoT's one. again.