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Other interesting notes:
- A liberation is guaranteed to pass as the determination bonus will be about x100000 by now
- A dictatorship should not be voted for just to have a specific person as dictator, there is no guarantee who will be the dictator tomorrow, next week or in six months
- There has already been a (very small) plea for people to finance a liberation, which raised nothing as far as I'm aware
- A liberation means we are certain to follow the game mechanics in the way they were intended, dictatorship does not give that guarantee
- This current dictatorship was not paid for by the government and only cost 200k
- Both dictatorships and liberations cost a million cc now, so this is likely to be very long term
- If wiped under democracy we have no Congress, leaving the CP in charge of all the buttons
- After a successful liberation there is a 10 day period where a new dictatorship cannot be started

For information on game mechanics, view here:
http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Dictatorship

I'll come back in a few hours and post my opinions. I can't do it now in 5 minutes.

For context: the outgoing government has asked for 500k CC from the country accounts to pay for COs against Sweden. I'd rather spend 400k CC on something long term than 500k CC on COs in a single war (when you can be sure that the next one will be along soon enough).

Over recent weeks all the talk has been of returning to full democracy. I can't see how anything other than option 1 fulfils this.

The incoming government respectfully requests a pause in this process.

Perhaps a private message with an explanation as to why would be a better place to ask?

The Spamican manifesto clearly stated when they wanted to do the referendum and seeing as the public voted them in it is assumed that the Spamican terms of referendum are what they want, congress be damned.

What we really need is three pages of meta legislation to determine who decides when the referendum that everyone wants can actually happen.

Will it be in 48 hours or a week? The difference is ... like ... five days.

No referendum will be valid due to the fact that meta has been abolished

A referendum will be valid if congress decides it is. That's all that really matters.

...because our current dictator, Woldy, has stated publicly that he will follow congress' will. that's the bit that REALLY matters.

Its valid because the dictator, who holds all the power, views it as binding

The eUkip is going to win.

Very happy to hold a public referendum at any point but the result will not be enacted until the end of our term. It needs to be a grand event and coordinated to create a bit of interest.

"It needs to be a grand event and coordinated to create a bit of interest. "

should rea😛

"It needs to be a grand event and coordinated to create a bit of confusion as one congress takes over from another and the newer congress people have absolutely no idea how congress is now supposed to work now that King Woldy isn't hitting the buttons. "

"With the old meta laws and constitution gone, a new official system has yet to be implemented, however it will likely be similar to the previous meta."

Why? to paraphrase our RL PM "Dictatorship means Dictatorship"

The rumour is that Woldy won't push buttons on his own, so what? If you don't like it then either return to democracy or put in a dictator that will do something.

The removal of meta AUTOMATICALLY INVALIDATES ANYTHING that a meta congress decides until democracy is restored

Damn I never even thought of that last line, I should've used that as an excuse to not respond to PMs...

AND anything the CP decides

What rumours are these

At some point I'd said in public that you'd stated that having you on permanently isn't an option, I assume either I worded something wrong or/and it's been taken in the incorrect way.

specifically when you went "let woldy do it" isn't a proper solution or words to that effect

Well yeah because permanently could mean years and years and years

I would support the end of Dictatorship, only if all the funds are provided by the person who wants the liberator medal

Yeah, why not + there is the gold the current dictator was receiving.

Btw, what's up with the trusted citizens money? I was proposing in the past that that should be returned to the treasury, but Congress did nothing about that. I don't know how you people function now, but if you could sort that thing out...

Oh yes BD, we are in the same party, you are in Congress, propose it please :3

Trusted citizen thing would've been gotten rid of provided the last speaker didn't mess up my proposals by deciding to not do anything at all in the slightest for the last few sessions of his term

Congress has been throwing around ideas about paying for democracy using said money + however much Nick A Llama has lying around (i think) but congress really can't organise a piss up in a brewery now that they don't have a system they don't read that tells them what to do before they proceed to not do it anyway.

The trusted citizens money though isn't really up to Congress to deal with now, it would be up to Woldy. But I'll speak to him about recovering it.

For Democracy

Why?, Because it"s the basic principle of every eCountry and if you want RL country,We are seeing daily what happens with countries who has the rutles Dictators in a power.Now as this is game meant to be and started on respecting democracy which means acting with regular rules of this game and elections on every 25th at every month than having Meta Congress who actually doesn"t have any power except thousands of legislations and legislations constant struggling with them.

Tbh, I would support a dictatorship, but without the meta Congress stuff. Full dictatorship, totally involved dictator, a leader...not this button clicking dictator stuff.

But it seems the way to that is removing the current dictator system first, so a return to democracy...

The only thing with that, someone could decide to become Dictator of the eUK for the lols (even though the cost is now much higher), there are people who would gladly do that, but if you can live with that danger lurking around the corner, why not. (I don't care much about the stealing of the treasury, just elect someone who you trust won't do it...If he does it, live with the consequences...)

Don't worry the treasury will be empty before the month is out.

I'm really looking forward to working with :

a) Congress
b) Myself
c) Whimsy and Charm

The correct answer will be awarded cash the incorrect answer the position of MoD.

c

b

Dictatorship - since its been installed there has been no lefts from the bank,

But have there been any rights, huh? Huh?!?

Dictatorship, we can't spare money now, we're at war and if that is not enough, wasting 400k for Democracy is a waste.

Agree with your points.
Hopefully congress will not push forward with some rushed ill timed referendum.

The referendum is to allow he eUK to vote whether to have a dictatorship or democracy. It will be up to Woldy to enact it, not Congress or the government.

I think we need to be clear here that under Dictatorship only Woldy has the power to determine what happens - not Congress and not the CP.

"Dictators have practically all the power in the country. They can single handedly pass any law."

"While the President and congressmen don’t officially lose their positions, they are powerless as long as the Dictator is ruling the country. The congressmen and the President cannot propose or vote any laws, or give out citizenships. The President also loses all the control in wars, campaigns etc. In short, their roles and positions are purely cosmetic."

As neither Congress nor the CP has any power under Dictatorship and with all the meta legislation abolished it would be somewhat bizarre if Woldy was to arbitrarily decide to follow the wishes of one and completely ignore the other. In fact I'm sure some of those like Adastros who always favoured the supremacy of Congress over a CP would be appalled.

As has been stated Woldy does not wish to remain in charge forever and a system should not be reliant on him being the only option as Dictator.

Congress has voted to hold a referendum on choosing a system of government, however whilst a number of Congress members favoured a referendum quickly, i.e. days, the outcome of the vote was not dependant on a timeframe and as such this did not form part of the voting process.

As I'm sure you are all aware Horice promised in his manifesto:-

Dictatorship - "We’ll get this sorted by asking you lot if you want to keep it."

"However, before this happens those for and against will be given three weeks to argue their cases. Once a decision is reached we will put this into action on the 3rd of the next month."

So we should be having the three weeks of discussions before the referendum and then the decision implemented.

We're flexible but two days is a bloody farce.
Woldy has assured me he'll abide by the result of our referendum but as we've stated previously the outcome will not be enacted until the end of our term. He is also a key part of the cabinet so will not be on the outside pushing buttons.

Sounds good - I do think we should consider the possibility of raising the extra funds from private citizens as a possibility. Should the cost to the taxpayer be a factor in peoples decision or not?

"So we should be having the three weeks of discussions before the referendum and then the decision implemented."

And Congress say we do it now.

No I don't think Congress said do it now - it agreed to have a referendum.

Congress voted Nick in as Speaker. As Nick set up the vote for whether to have a referendum or not he stated that a referendum would be held after the results of the Congress vote if it was passed (the public part to start before the next CP term begins if I remember correctly). Congress accepted that when voting for a referendum. Hence any Congress member who voted for referendum voted for it to happen now - and since it passed that means Congress voted for it to happen now.

I think there is concern about giving everyone the opportunity to express views and discuss options. Plus even if we vote now we wont be implementing probably until 3rd October

We need a system that doesn't rely entirely on the integrity of individual citizens. But we should not chastise congress for seeking to organise themselves. Every political entity (cabinets, alliances, parties) on erep dip in and out of meta to define themselves and create roles and expectations that aren't explicit in the game. Autocrats shouldn't deny that ability to congress.

Is that actually possible?
In a Dictatorship you rely on the integrity of the Dictator and in a Democracy you rely on the CP - are there any alternatives to these two?

"- If wiped under democracy we have no Congress, leaving the CP in charge of all the buttons"

What to us seems like a heck of a lot of money, for many in enemy countries is no more than pocket change. So if we fund this partly by using money held by "Woldy's Angels" (disclosure: I am one of them), when we have to unseat a hostile dictator, where will we find the money? Instead of using the 400k already held, I'd recommend we stash another 600k at a minimum with Trusted Citizens. History informs us that we've been wiped before and we'll be wiped again. Let's not put out the welcome mat.

No to Change, keep the Dictatorship as it is. Do not risk a hostile takeover with some real dictator.
Woldy is a safe pair of hands, even if he does do what the Mongress asks.

Long live King Woldy the great Dictator.

God Save The King!