[CP] Open letter on unity
Digits 05637716
Today I received a pm about A. What is the President's Guard and B. raising concerns about the soldiers who were supplied on a deployment the previous day (namely Michael Hook, Boris Tomic, Ari, mirek and Digits). Originally I was going to pm it, but decided to publish it in an article instead, and hopefully raise and solve any issues which may currently be outstanding.
A. What is the President's Guard?
One would have assumed that someone as involved as you would have read my military manifesto. Link is here:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-cp-election-i-am-a-military-man-1699721/1/20
Having received a large proportion of the vote, there is a mandate for the idea. At no point does it indicate that it is restricted to army members only. I stated that I will work with the army to make it a reality. The army as represented by Nephworks agreed with it, and we worked out and finalised the system, which I have already shared to you.
There were previous references to it in my first article, which can be seen here:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-cp-digits-fun-day-at-the-office-1703112/1/20
To further clarify exactly what it is, unless there is a serious battle, I deploy 5 men to the place where the Priority 1 Battle is. A team leader which I select picks the first 4 men from a list I give him who respond, and deploys with them to fight in that location. This is organised through an org provided for by the government, and works as an efficient system, with only 1 org needing supplies, 2 times. Fights are on a once off basis, each soldier only gets 1 deployment,
It has worked well, it takes responsibility off the already overworked IA men, and gives other people a chance at building their leadership skills.
B - Supplies and personnel
Here is where it gets tricky. First off, as an ordinary soldier, why didn't you take up your issue over supplies with your Chief of Staff? Is this complaint as a soldier or a citizen?
Michael Hook and Boris Tomic are members of the IA. The IA roster is in need of an update. Mirek resigned from the IA, as did Dan Murchadh. It is my understanding that Dan, Mirek and Boris worked in the IA companies for a period and did not receive supplies either at all, or at least equalling the production they made.
Simiarly, I have produced vastly more quantities of goods than I have been supplied with, but I rarely request them, and never complain. Furthermore, the other day I recovered over 400 Q3 food (2400 health), weapons and thousands of grain in government orgs. Immediately I offered the use of this to the Irish Army. I am under no obligation to. Through my own work, and the the donation I am giving via government assets to the IA, this more than covers any supplies used.
Furthermore, Nephworks as CoS has given the ok to supply the President's Guard, and in fact wants to supply them more goods than I do.
So if your concern is about supply levels, I don't think your concern is warranted. However, you and me both know that your concern isn't about supply levels.
So is the concern about the principle of the thing? That if someone doesn't work in a company for minimum wage, they don't deserve to be part of army life? Michael Hook, for example, has a small network of companies in which he works, which precludes him from working in IA companies. Does this mean he only gets to fight with his army mates when Ireland is in mortal danger?
In my view, no, and 1 day's supplies from the many supplies which are not given out will not kill anyone. In fact, you may have noticed a serious proportion of our active population slip away abroad or leaving the game, due to partisanship. In my view, this is an absolute national scandal. There was two sides to it, everyone knows this, and it has mainly stopped, but I will not let whatever part of it thats left to continue. I have a vision where everyone should feel comfortable being a member of the army, and fighting with their countrymen. They should not feel they can not take part due to personal differences. Too many people have flown the coop, burned out by the intensity of Irish life, and this is a shame. More than once, I counted myself among that group.
So you can say what you like about companies and supplies, but to me removing the partisan nature from our country is priority number one. One of the soldiers who was deployed remarked that it was a great feeling serving their country again. That's part of what I want from this exercise - people to serve, and want to serve with their countrymen. I want people to be proud to be eIrish, I want those abroad to know they can come back to a fair, honest and hard-working country, and for those who have left the game to feel they can come back because they might actually enjoy themselves. The damage dealt helps to, but its main priority is unity, training, comaraderie and co-ordination.
Nextly, everyone has a right to play the game the way they wish, and I support that right. There was a serious element within our society which said that if you didn't "work hard", that you didn't count. I might once have counted myself under that opinion, but I don't now. We can not seperate ourselves into groups based on what and how we do things. Unity is the first cause, and I will stand up for it in the face of any criticism.
If this event serves to bring any of those citizens involved back into the unified national army, then it will have served it's purpose.
There is not one person in this country that I will not work with to achieve the best for Ireland, and now I ask you to do the same. For me, that's the principle of the thing.
Digits
Irish Country President
P.S. I can 99% confirm that I have persuaded Sweet Drinker to come out of retirement and back to the game to help me with the accounting and recording element of the MoF. 1 down, how many more to go? Darragh next.
Comments
Impeach
Extremely disappointed. ICA Forever.
We have a good stocks built up and so we can afford to support eIrish citizens fighting abroad. This is a great way for the IA to support eIrish fighters and not just IA soldiers. I would like to see the presidents guard wear the IA uniform when on deployment though.
I support the whole idea of a Presidents Guard. It would be great if we could simply supply everyone to fight in missions for our Allies everytime they need it, but we simply don't shit gold in eIreland ... Well, I don't and I don't think the IA does ...
About the deployment of non-working-IAs. I defend the idea that if you work, you get it. That simple.
For the record, I support unanimously the commune system of the IA, and the supply system of 'you work for what you get'. The supplies (while some were donated by the IA) for this particular mission came and were funded from the government as opposed to the IA and my own pocket.
Extremely disappointed. ICA Forever.
National unity is far more important than worrying over some supplies that someone may or may not have worked for. Obviously if our stocks have been increasing then we produce more than we supply. Not every IA soldier fights everyday. If the stocks are going down then stop supplying me and I will keep working to supply the Presidents Guard. For IRELAND.
If we have enough stocks then we should give the people who work everyday for low wages more weapons to fight with everyday. The whole idea of the IA is One for all and all for one.
This brings back an aspect of the IDF which was wrong and led to abuse.
Also the argument that people have companies shouldn't have to work for the IA is ludicrous. The whole point of working in your own company is that you make money and the money which they make from working in their company more than covers the extra cost of food.
There are no benefits to this initiative. Other than as you claim "leadership", which is a load of tosh tbh.
Give the people who work for the supplies the supplies, not the handpicked elite.
Also I don't know what you're doing supplying Boris anyway. He hasn't even been working in the IA companies for the last 10 days. What's the deal with that?
I'm a huge supporter of the IA and what it's done so far, but this is a step in the wrong direction. Even though you claim to have said you were planning on doing this in your manifesto, you left out the only important part, which is giving more supplies to a select few.
You should really withdraw this
Since some people seem to be missing this, or mis-reading it, the IA did not fund this short deployment. The supplies were made available by the government. Mountain out of a molehill guys.
"5 people from the roster would be deployed abroad to defend our friends abroad. The way that this would be done would be that 1 high ranking soldier from the top of the roster would be a team leader. He will be supplied with moving tickets. He would muster together 10 soldiers, and the first 4 which respond to his call would deploy with him to fight for our friends, in co-ordination."
Original manifesto 😁^
I deploy 5 men to the place where the Priority 1 Battle is. A team leader which I select picks the first 4 men from a list I give him who respond, and deploys with them to fight in that location. This is organised through an org provided for by the government, and works as an efficient system, with only 1 org needing supplies, 2 times.
This article 😁^
There is no select few. I have a copy of the IA roster. Whoever is at the top of the roster and available on IRC at the time I ask to be the team leader. Yddub Emwolb was the team leader the last time, and he brought sir adriano prette with him. I asked Lliam Costello to do it the next time, and he'll have 10 names from the lower ranks to ask.
I reject that I left anything out in my manifesto. I disagree when people say it has no benefit. However, this is not my choice. I try and have been trying to do the will of the people. If people do not want it, I will withdraw the programme.
I say keep it going.
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Digits is and will continue to be a good president imo. The PG is not a bad idea at all, just needs some tweaking and clarification. Uniform should be worn by anyone taking part or no supplies. They should also either be in an IA company or agree to join one for a certain number of days or no supplies(alternative would be to supply themselves)
I have worked communes for 90% of the 16 months I have been in this game and in every country I have been in also. One thing has been common amongst them all- people take offense to their production being given to people who do not add to the overall production themselves. If the IA supplies are growing and the reason for that is a failure of the supply system, then change the supply system and give more supplies to IA soldiers. And besides, it is good to have a large reserve stock. Just because supplies grow doesn't mean you have to use them straight away. If Ireland is attacked then every Irish citizen who turns up to fight can be supplied.
aLSO DOwn with this sorta thing
And also awesome work... I'll do the commenting of multis in the one comment 😉
If the issue here is that I'm not working at an IA company here then I'm sorry but I am in the process of joining one. I signed up to join one a few days ago but am still awaiting a response on where they want me to work. I sent Marcus a message a couple of days ago asking about that status of my application and he gave me a link of a company to work for in the mean time and I'm sure he can vouch for this. I told him I wouldn't be able to join until today due to the fact that I had just taken a job at another company and game mechanics would not allow me to do so. I quit that job this morning to join the IA company Marcus told me to go to but there were no job offers open. Considering I'll be away for the next 9 days I figured I best just leave it until I get back rather than bothering Marcus to put one up for me to sit there. Sure I guess technically I haven't worked in one of the companies yet but I've committed to that and I don't think I should be held accountable for the fact that I haven't had the chance to work yet.
I'm going to be honest that I'm a bit offended that the time I've spent working for this country's military, in its various forms, counts for nothing as well. If your issue is the supplies that were doled out to me instead of someone who has been slaving away at the companies for longer I'll reimburse you for it, hell I'll even double it but don't offend me by saying I didn't deserve it.
Glad I voted for you digits,....you're a level headed guy who can bring lots of progress.
In my opinion, everyone who pays taxes should be eglible to receive supplies in crucial battles, thats what we pay taxes for after all...to defend our country.
Since every fight costs 10 health for EVERYONE, stronger players should receive more supplies than weaker players.
Whether someone wants to work in a commune or not should be their own business and no criterium regarding government supplies.
"Whether someone wants to work in a commune or not should be their own business and no criterium regarding government supplies"
Where was that attitude when membership of the ICA alone was enough to have a player black-listed and deemed not eligible for supplies in ANY battle, ever? Again the double-standards around this dump are a joke.
Also I see no issue with Michael. His explanation is fine.
Personally I believe this is a good idea as it gives people a taste of what it is like in the Irish Army.
It provides a sense of comradeship especially when you fight together with someone bringing the Irish Community together.
As long as it is the surplus supplies or government supplies that are being used and not supplies that might make an Irish Army soldier miss out on a fight due to not having enough supplies I am happy to endorse this.
Just an idea but if we have such a surplus of supplies would not bringing back the ministry of health be a good idea?
I had this low level Irish chap asking for help a little while back due to over fighting and I just about bankrupted myself giving him 80 wellness from my own wallet.
I think the IA has been worked well, apart from a few hiccup's when I did not get supplies, I have been happy with it. If you don't like it, lump it, capeeche!!! (Is that how it's spelled?) This is none of digit's fault, nor is anything really wrong. There will be problem's, but get over it.
I am not saying that there are supply issues but I would be against it if it did cause supply issues with the Irish Army but since it is government funded and the supplies are not taken from the IA I am fully for it.
There seemed to be a conflict of idea's of the system would work, some people have said that, "We have a good stocks built up and so we can afford to support eIrish citizens fighting abroad. This is a great way for the IA to support eIrish fighters and not just IA soldiers." Which insinuates that IA supplies would be used. That was the big issue I had with this.
Although Digits has said that the supplies would come from iep and the regular taxpayer. If that's the case then it's not as unfair an idea on the IA workers as I first thought.
HOWEVER!!!! 😛
This kind of initiative still does benefit the few at the cost of the general public.
I don't know where you plan on buying the supplies for these deployments as High Q food and weapons in Ireland are not competitively priced.
To make this in any way cost effective you will need to make deals with Irish suppliers for them to sell below the oligopolistic prices which they're charging now.
eIreland has never been so united and the people who are not involved in the IA as it stands are generally not active enough to realise the benefits of it or are politically against the idea of communes.
You can't help the inactive players, but the people who just want the taxpayer to pay for their supplies? Well the morality of that is wrong and I wouldn't cater for it nor stand for it. If some people can't stand by their fellow countrymen by making a self sacrifice for the country then that's their own problem and they should not benefit from their decision.
You told me about an hour after we had a lengthy argument that the supplies used were not IA, Why did you allow it to continue when my only point was "IA Supplies should not be given those not in an IA Company"
Also, you can tell yourself that it is about a personal dislike for the people involved but that doesn't make it true.
This is about the communal system in which we operate which I believed you broke and gave to those not working.
So long as supplies being produced by Irish Army commune workers is not given to ANYONE else other than them I am happy.
@ Connell, supplies were retrieved from lost national orgs, which either were not investigated properly, or were not retrieved. So far this term, not a cent has been taken from the bank, the treasury or the MoF org, apart from 3k for a land IEP burn in order to free up spaces to move IA companies around. IA soldiers up for deployment will be supplied via the supplies they make themselves, and (the very few)others (who don't happen to be on the roster but active on irc) will be supplied via supplies retrieved from lost orgs, which we didn't know we even had. In fact, I don't really know of any other citizen who is active on IRC who is not in the army, so I don't think the concern is valid.
I also fail to see the logic of saying it benefits the few, the entire roster of the IA is involved. In fact, to my knowledge, you yourself were contacted to be offered to take part in a deployment prior to this one.
"the people who are not involved in the IA as it stands are generally not active enough to realise the benefits of it or are politically against the idea of communes."
This may be the case for some, but not for all, if my communication with these people is anything to go by. I work with all citizens equally, and their concerns are just as important to me as any others.
@ OJ, it had been explained in this article that the supplies used weren't manufactured by IA, but it seemed to be misread or misunderstood.
If Boris Tomic and Michael Hook are members of the IA why are they not working in IA companies?
It was brought to my attention yesterday that as a member of IA HQ I should have a say in where supplies get sent and how but only Neph was contacted and asked. Seems like a massive breakdown in communication.
ffs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz1V_piTsrc&feature=fvwrel
I feel President's Guard is a great program no matter where supplies come from. For newer, non IA members it can inspire them to join IA. It's not like they're being funded for a Battle Hero run. I personally don't mind sharing what I produce.
If the non IA members are given supplies from elsewhere, why is this an issue?
Bet you're wishing you had just responded to the pm now, Prez.
This ecountry can cause a shit storm over anything.
Part of me does think that yes, Yddub. But it is important to have debate and discourse, that everyone gets to express their opinion, and even though it is often hard hitting, these things need to resolved or close to everyone's satisfactions.
@ Kavrocks, I was under the impression you don't have to work in a company to be a member of the IA. It also seems clear at this point that the IA needs to A. Update it's roster, B. Have a seperate roster for those who are working in IA companies and C. (optional) Track how much each company worker produces.
I have read the self-reviews of the IA from previous, and there is an awareness that there still needs to be clarification of several of the systems. For example, I have yet to see it anywhere in the public domain that you need to fill in the supply form in order to be considered available on that day, regardless of whether supplies are been given out or not.
I put it in my manifesto that I would work with the IA on tweaking systems and providing clarification. It seems there is a big task ahead of us. I had intended to organise a meeting tomorrow night with certain military personnel anyway, and I will add this to the agenda.
"Where was that attitude when membership of the ICA alone was enough to have a player black-listed and deemed not eligible for supplies in ANY battle, ever? Again the double-standards around this dump are a joke."
What double standard? Maybe you are confusing me with someone else - Ive had this attitude in the past, and I have it still.
You'll Never Walk Alone, digits.
No one wants to live in an authoritarian military regime. Good article Digits, it sounds like whoever was asking these questions failed to do any research.
This all I have to say
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyMXYE_50Ts&feature=related
The comment section has completely gone off topic and now some people are talking about the whole IA supply structure. tbh when I was a supply officer I thought it should be changed, but if you're planning on "C. (optional) Track how much each company worker produces." Optional or not I lolled at it.
Working in the IA is like a full-time job as it is and any kind of attempt at making a system like that work would no doubt fail.
All the IA needs in terms of a supply structure is something that's simple, clear and easy for everyone involved to do their part. Right now there's no doubt that the supply structure could be improved, that should be the primary objective and be done before any Presidents Guard or any other initiative.
Fix what we have now, get that right and move onto the next thing.
Frankly it does matter where the supplies in the IA go, I know a good few people who work in the IA and who fund themselves so that there's more supplies to go around for the people who can't afford to fund themselves. That's the ethos of the IA, that should be maintained.
I just don't want to go back to a system where the self chosen "elite" in society who can afford to fund themselves get supplies from the tax from the regular player's pocket. I say chuck all that food you found back into the IA supplies and give to the people which work for near minimum wage everyday for the good of the country.