Oh Canada
Bucephalus92
Greetings Bros
I realize people are probably getting pretty tired of hearing opinions about US-Canadians relations, but as its something that I have as of yet not had the time to write about, but interests me greatly, so I figured I would jot down my thoughts. Why does it interest me greatly? It all dates back to when I joined this game, October 14th 2009. At the time we were in the closing stages of World War III, the United States had been invaded by a high number of enemy nations at once, but had slowly been kicking them out over time. Yet one remained, Hungary. They still held several colonies in North America, among them were Washington(the state) and the Canadian regions of Saskatchewan(wow, I spelled that right the first try), Nunavut, and Manitoba. Due to the shared experience of being occupied the same enemies and helping each other to free our regions we grew quite close, eventually creating a bond so strong that we became known as the brolliance. Having been eborn during this time the brolliance was something that what was quite important to me, in fact it was one of the first things I ever wrote about in this paper.
In that article I mentioned the fact that the brolliance was dead, and that it was too bad, unfortunately as recent events have made clear the brolliance is far past dead now. It is dead, buried, and decomposed beyond recognition. I want to state now that I believe BOTH sides hold some share of the responsibility for the demise of US-Canadian relations. The "elites" of the Unites States don't like Canada, quite frankly they actually can't stand those snow worshiping heathens. Regularly having the upper echelons of our government controlled by people that do not like your country isn't going to be conducive to good relations. However as Kemal pointed out in a recent article when you have a stronger nation directly bordering you, whether you like them or not it is best to try an maintain reasonable relations. Despite what many Canadians would claim YOU CAN BE REASONABLE without bending over. Kemal uses Cyprus as an example allow me to use the a different country, the United States.
The United States is currently in Sirius with numerous nations that it was once at war with(quite recently actually), the United Kingdom, Poland, and Spain. Despite this, through the level headed diplomatic efforts on both sides we are now in an alliance together, working together, fighting together, and having fun together. Contrary(damn I was totally trying to think of this word for earlier in the article, but now I can't remember where I wanted to put it) to the United States efforts with the UK, Poland, and Spain, Canada has oscillated between halfhearted attempts to play nice, and being outright antagonistic. Lets look at some examples of Canadian behavior that helped push the US away.
1. Classified and sensitive logs pertaining to United States foreign policy were leaked by Canada in a deliberate attempt to weaken our foreign affairs. To put it bluntly Canada f**ked our foreign relations in the a$$ and flushed a lot of hard work down the drain.
2. Canada got itself wiped by Spain, then d***ed around for 8 months instead of joining CoT. Then they joined CoT at the end once it was already a sinking ship and tried to leverage that too little too late decision into a position in the pro-sirius bloc. They then got quite angry when no one really cared. I find it funny that they got themselves wiped in the course of trying to be a "good" ally. Note to Canada, you are of no help to your allies when you are wiped and have to spend most of your efforts trying to liberate your own regions.
3. As derphoof has pointed out Canada is a loose cannon. They only seem to think there are two options in this game, do nothing(while tearing yourself apart domestically), or attack a foe much larger than yourself without proper planning and risk getting wiped.
4. They consistently elect leadership that is just as antagonistic towards the United States as some of our leadership is towards them. They have elected this guy five times. Nuff said.
5. They really enjoy trolling us. There have been quite a few articles of the same nature by Canadians recently, fair enough I enjoy some good trolling. However this goes back to the issue of trying to maintain level headed discussions, which based off their media, they don't seem too keen on doing.
Canada is a far worse enemy of Canada than we could ever hope to be.
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Oh Canada
Well said.
thank you
Nicely stated.
thank you
Sad but true.
Indeed 🙁
I can name one country that can't keep its presence in Europe but is good ally of eUSA...
Is that country loose cannon?
Is that country dead weight?
If your answer on both of those questions is "no" then you can't take 2nd and 3rd point as valid ones...
I also find it quite funny that you criticize eCanada for their lack of interest of talking nicely to you when you were first ones that started this conflict in first place....
Where did I say that you need a presence in Europe to be a good ally of the United States?
You putted part where you say that country that is wiped is bad for alliance ie. "dead weight"...
eCroatia when it wants can get back in Europe but can't stay there without help of its allies. In past that were reasons why some of their allies "got bored" by cyclic wars and wanted to leave them.
You did same here but with different country. Well same problem but 2 different reactions and to me that shows that eUS as it is doesn't want to make anything better when it comes to fixing relationship with eCanada.
To put it bluntly... You left some of the allies that were "dead meat" past 2-3 years behind just to have your alliance with Spoland and have safe borders and bonuses so you can't really criticize someone for not trying when you in past didn't even gave them a chance.
I am not saying that whenever a country is wiped it is doing something wrong, but when a nation gets itself wiped simply so it can pat itself on the back when there were other options that I feel would actually be more beneficial to the allies they are supposedly trying to help then yes, I am going to consider them a loose cannon. As you pointed out Croatia survives in India and due to their safe position there are able to be of great help to their allies through MPP's. They can also launch strategic resistance wars to muck up Serbia's day, as they have been doing.
eCroatia can make NAP with eSerbia and focus only and only on helping allies like they did when ONE was made way back. That strategical RWs are helping Croatian allies and that is true but same is with Canadian RWs that will help their own allies on other fronts.
eCanada on other side can make NAP with eUSA but eUSA really has silly requests... While I agree that NAP should be made there is no NAP that requires that one country drops MPP stacks... That is just how NAP don't go. Till eUSA is requesting that eCanada won't and really shouldn't sign NAP....
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"1. Classified and sensitive logs pertaining to United States foreign policy were leaked by Canada in a deliberate attempt to weaken our foreign affairs. To put it bluntly Canada f**ked our foreign relations in the a$$ and flushed a lot of hard work down the drain."
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Huh???? You mean , when the eUS was talking about creating CNTL, abandoning many of its allies including eCanada, it was not legitimate for the eCanadian President to tell his own players about it? Give me a break. It may be that the American administration found it unhelpful that the Canadian president informed his own players about an urgent political/military development. It may be that the American administration found it disconcerting that their own players would find out about this from the eCanadian press. It may be that the American administration wanted to just vote on the whole thing in secret and then tell their players, and allies. Fair enough. The administration was frustrated that it wasn't able to screw over its allies in secret. It wasn't able to just announce that CNTL was fait accompli. Darn and drat. That kooky eCanadian CP had to go and tell his players, the players he represents and leads, what was going to happen. Did he breach any oath of secrecy??? Doubtful since the eAmerican administration didn't have him in the loop. Where he got the information is unclear. Once he got it, the obligation to HIS TEAM was clear: not something you can keep a secret.
True, the "revelation" article was a bit melodramatic 🙂
CNTL alliance was formed nevertheless. It was a disaster.
Or are you talking about another episode??
I am referring to the incident with CNTL. I respect your way of looking at it, but I still do not agree with releasing information about CNTL to the general public. Alliances in this game change, if they didn't it would be boring, this is why I've never understood all the hoopla that goes on when nations switch sides (though to be fair there is a right and a wrong way to go about it). I personally would not have released that information were I in his position, though to be honest it is not one of the points that I am particularly passionate about.
Fair. Opinions can differ on this subject. Canadian players would have been justifiably outraged if their president hadn't told them about something so important to their interests. How it was done and the sequellae are a different matter. A fair number of American players were justifiably outraged that they hadn't been told by their own administration. Badly managed, very badly managed on both sides.
Kind regards
There is NO WAY I would release F/A information to the American Public until the people I was working on it with agreed that it could be made public. Secrecy does not equate with scandal. There are certain times when being able to work confidentially facilitates planning, honesty, and trust between delegates.
As failed as CTRL was, it was wrong for any of the leaders involved to unilaterally decide to take the information public. By doing so, Canada alone chose to make that information available to the eWorld. It was an awful decision.
Damn, I knew CNTL didn't sound right.
Gnilraps: agreed about privacy facilitating trust and honesty between people actively working to a common end. SO, true or false - the American administration had not included eCanada in the working group. I understand perfectly the administrations reluctance to announce prematurely to its own player base however.
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I do not know the answer to your question olivermellors. I was not involved in any of it at that time.
If Canada was NOT one of the nations involved, then the information they released would have been less a breach of trust and more an act of war. Not to be melodramatic...
Gnil: I liked your recent article laying out the reasons for the present war. This old CTRL stuff is moderately instructive but starting to be like a discussion about new earth creationism. 😉
Kind regards
I was born in eCanada, and I was XO of the most important official MU, the CAF (Canadian Armed Force).
Unless things changes since my departure, 2 years ago, let me tell you that +- 75% of the eCanadian congressmen was nt serious, just trolling and having fun with the "game". The eCanada survived during this period because they were with strong allies. Sadly, the minority of good and serious congressmen was nt able to lead this rich country.
I hope thinks are a bit better, but from what I see, I dont think things change that much.
"Canada is a far worse enemy of Canada than we could ever hope to be."
You said it all, right there. Both in game and now in RL, the eCanadian leadership has proven itself to be riddled with prominent figures who seem to be mentally unstable.
We live next to an insane asylum. And for some reason we're invading it.
Who fights to get inside an insane asylum?
lol
^__^
I think errybody takes this game too seriously
Also "Oh Canada" is pronounce😛
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1ns63s9i3k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z0W1MUv_c4
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Canada needs to play the "I'll be your forever-pain-in-the-ass-card". RW your regions exactly when your invaders are busy elsewhere, contact the enemies of your invaders, organize something, ask and offer help, etc, etc, etc...
Currahee
Currahee!
Yay bias!