Training Wars and EDEN
Eleriel
Good Morning eSwitzerland !
Right, let me begin my saying that I hope you’re all doing well. Today is a big day for us as a nation, for several different reasons. Now, a touchy subject has been the Training War. We haven’t had a training war since the invasion of Slovakia, a neutral country, by Hungary. But I am working on a solution, and hopefully we should have a Training War in a few days.
Now the big subject, the one that has been giving me and my ministers a lot more work than usual: our joining of EDEN. So, let me address all of you, and give you the insight which led to this decision. No more secrets, no more hiding of information, I will tell you exactly what has been going on in my head since the beginning.
So, let’s go back to the initial negotiation of our first freed region: Deutschschweiz. The Hungarians didn’t know who we were, we didn’t know them, but after several negotiations, they agreed to sell us the region for 500 gold as well as another 70 gold for the RW. This was a big price, but it was the price of freedom. So we got out country back, but it was messed up and due to a bug we couldn’t get congress.
Now, ongoing talks with Hungary, and their chief negotiator for our country tells me that the maximum price for our regions will be 300g. When I point out that we have only medium regions, and that the US, in the proposed but not accepted peace treaty (when they were invaded) only had to pay 200g for medium regions, I was told that the US is a larger threat than Switzerland, so I don’t really get a choice. Oh joy ! First signs of ‘helping us’.
Now let’s move on. We come to the point where we’re starting to ask for Romandie back, after the Congress Elections. Let me point out that we got absolutely no help from Hungary during the Congress elections. Why? Well they were too busy failing to prevent an EDEN ‘PTO’ to help out a country with which they were supposed to be friends. On the other hand, the US sent us quite a few voters.
So we’re asking for Romandie back, and they are pretty much telling me to wait, because of some obscure reasons. Now, suddenly, they start seeing major defeats in North America, and they need to get rid of useless regions which EDEN is using for distraction. So what do they do? Well they tell me I have 1h to find 390 gold, and pay for the resistance war in Romandie, or they will just go somewhere else. Notice that the price suddenly goes up from 300 to 390. Anyway, we pay up, as we have no real choice, and we get Romandie back. The next day, as they’re still trying to get rid of useless regions, they propose to give us back Svizzera Italiana. This time only for 50g. This was the only true gift the Hungarians ever gave us.
Now, after all this, I wanted to sign a Non Aggression Pact with Hungary, just to insure our security. Let me show you a few extracts of the initial NAP:
- eSwitzerland shall not sign mutual protection pacts (alliances) with eCroatia, eRomania and eUSA during this NAP.
- eSwitzerland shall not attack directly the states that eHungary has mutual protection pacts (alliances) with.
- Parties state that region Graubunden, an original region of eSwitzerland is a region of eHungary.
- Was going to last 180 days, blocking us for 6 months.
Just a few quick extracts, to show how understanding they were. So basically, we were forced into neutrality, with no options to get out of it. We were also screwed if any of our neighbours (or Hungary) decided to invade because we couldn’t ask help from the opposite side. But of course, this was meant to help us…
When I pointed out that the NAP was outrageous, I was told that the Hungarians congress would discuss some changes. Not only did I not here anything for about 5 days, but Sources indicated that they weren’t going to change their minds.
Decisions had to be made. On the other side, EDEN countries provided us with a Q5 Hospital, several programs to help us get money (ongoing in the US and Canada as I write these ligns), the US has largely helped in restoring the value of our currency, and just generally being friendly.
So I asked myself, who do we want on our side? Countries that have proven to us that they want to help us, by being supportive and helping us in time of need? Or countries that take away outrageous sums of money for us to get back regions that are worthless to them, and make outrageous demands? Well I can tell you I didn’t spend hours thinking about it.
Now there is the argument that some PEACE members have been friendly with us. This is true. France and Japan have largely helped us out. But it is also true that PEACE is facing a crisis currently, where smaller member nations don’t have their say. Lyne Faynel published an article about that recently, and I invite you to read it here. Also, Japan was threatened into letting Indonesia use one of its regions to attack the US. Do we one day want to be threatened into doing things we believe are wrong?
So there you go, that’s about it, long read I know. I know it’s going to be impossible to prevent trolling, but please try to keep this comments constructive.
Eleriel,
President of eSwitzerland
Comments
Eleriel kindly asked me to troll this article :3
to bad we did not erase Switzerland from the map 🙁
neutral eswitzerland...
eleriel, you are a great thinker.
Lol. Neutral? Of course.
@Zoli, that's exactly the sort of thinking that made us turn away from you.
great article, i cant believe they made you pay so much!!!, indo did exact same thing to eaus,if you want to join eden do it quick before mpps go up in price (or have they already?). Eden RW wa back at no cost and then even paid for some of the mpps (which is very generous) us and canada have been extreamly kind to eaus(which sort of broke the rl stereotype of americans being bigheaded)
Hail Mr.President
😉
Voted!
Zoli just lost one more friend.
Switzerland, you can count on the eUS anytime.
The US wishes you the best of luck in restoring your country!
It's really a good article, so fine. Voted.
Good luck to you 🙂
It is going to be tough surrounded by PEACE countries 😁.
Hopefully, France, Italy, Germany and Austria are not a real threat for you.
It may open the possibility to create an occidental alliance...
I doubt they will attack Switzerland.
maybe hungary wanted to protect yourself and peace from eden. thats why they proposed that conditions (neutrality). you should show patience. not to force them to get back our last region as soon as possible.
btw, neutrality is not bad idea for us for some months. we have not many peoples, our army is weak.
TW <3
Viva Switzerland
Viva EDEN
Viva true friends we can count on 😉
Hungary shows its true colors once again. Never trust a Hun.
great work Eleriel!
voted!
Disagree🙁
welcome to the brotherhood! 😃
vendus !
Fight against PEACE!!!
Vendus ? Et vous alors ? Même pas capable d'élever la voix contre une alliance qui ne vous convient plus.
F4ucon, je suis belge, avant de ramener tes propos, tourne ta langue 7 fois dans ta bouche avant de sortir des anneries.
N'empeche que vous avez pas été honnêtes, vous avez eu des golds (aidez la suisse, aidez la suisse) loul
puis vous vous taillez avec... hein ! On assume ou pas... F4ucon
"the invasion of Slovakia, a neutral country, by Hungary"
A neutral country? 🙂
Alliances of Slovakia:
Poland
Romania
Moldavia
Spain
Canada
Israel
Norway
Singapore
North Korea
Ireland
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Thailand
That's what you call a Training War Akitlosz
@Elynea : c'est bête que je doive répéter pour la 19328402983 fois pour un énième bouché: nous n'avons aucune intention hostile envers la France. Maintenant vous pouvez troll pendant les 10 prochains mois, ou essayer de construire quelque chose de stable et solide. Je tends la main, par ce que je n'oublie pas vos efforts, arrêtez d'être paranos et tout iras bien.
We shouldn't be so eager to take sides... New game rules will take care of the alliances, but what we need now is more people in our country. I hope that you real Swiss can draw some massive attention to the game from your people and your media... Like it happened in Serbia... We are now #2 country in population.
Elynea:
Une ministre de la solidarité qui change d'un coup de pays ça fait quand-même bizarre donc je ne vois pas pourquoi je devrais vérifier chaque fois si tu as déménagé avant de parler.
Mais je vois que tu es en Belgique. C'est bien de pouvoir être dans son pays d'origine non ? Pourquoi est-ce que vous ne gardez pas votre neutralité alors que tu la clame dans ton journal ?
Quoi EDEN vous menace ? Bah nous c'était la Hongrie au niveau militaire et la Serbie et d'autres au niveau politique.
On voit bien la brindille dans l'œil du voisin mais pas la poutre dans le sien hein ? 🙂
Le gouvernement français ne nous a jamais aidé malgré nos demandes. Seuls des individus l'ont fait et on les en remercie. Ces golds ont permis de remettre notre économie à flot ce qui profite à tous car notre marché est ouvert aux exporations de RM.
"On assume ou pas... F4ucon":
Qu'est-ce que je n'assume pas ? 🙂
F4acon, you failed 🙂
Elynea is in Belgium because she is Minister of Solidarity and she wants to help Belgian 😉
Nobody complained in France about it. She does a wonderful work since August.
Otherwise, the rest of what you said is kool and I completely agree with you 🙂
Our government is pro-PEACE, they just want to bring back their friends to the top of the PEACE administration, because they failed and it changed.
I hope, you won't forget that you have French friends (I am one of them, bah oui, mais bon l'anglais c'est une jolie langue aussi 😁), and that you can have some political friends there.
So, if someday, EDEN kindly ask you to attack us, do not do it too quickly as we did in september with USA (I was the French MOFA at this time :/), you may lose some friends without getting new one 😉
Elynea est allée en Efrance, car elle est wallone d'origine et n'a pas trouvé la belgique sur la carte, elle parle plus le français que l'anglais. Ca été son choix.
Maintenant dire que vous serez pas hostile est que du ramassis de mensonge. Vous vous etes engagés. On veut la vraie raison c'est tout.
Que vous a-t-on promis? des golds, des hopitaux. Alors si c'est ca, vous etes bien arrivistes. Avez-vous vu que votre peuple n'était pas tous d'accord avec la décision. Là vous en avez encore rien à faire. Hein.
En ce qui concerne mon pays 3/4 des habitants sont roumains, wouaaa, on fait quoi? pouvoir de décisions, ce sont eux qui donnent la nationalité. Alors avant de dire quoique ce soit informe toi avant tout.
Voted
Shame!
We liberated you, we kick out the teokrats from your country. We could destroy your most important region, but we didn't do that. And you betray us. I'm very sad about you...
SHAME ON YOU
Je ne savais pas que une ministre de la solidarité pouvait s'impliquer dans la politique d'un autre pays. Tant mieux pour les Belges s'ils peuvent vraiment en profiter.
Pour ce qui est de nos relations, elle n'ont pas passées de "amical" à "hostile" en 2 secondes simplement parce que l'on a signé un pacte.
Des français nous ont aidée et on ne l'oubliera pas. Eleriel, notre président, a même proposé un NAP à votre présidente comme preuve de notre bonne fois.
Pour Elynea, je suis étonné des connaissances que tu as. Savoir plus de choses sur la Suisse et son fonctionnement que quelqu'un qui y est directement impliqué c'est très fort.
Nous avons rejoint EDEN pour nous protéger contre la Hongrie un point c'est tout.
Si tu veux trouver des raisons obscures (les Illuminatis, les Francs-Maçons, les Reptiliens ou je ne sais quoi d'autre), ne te gêne pas si ça fait plaisir mais garde ces bêtises pour toi.
Un hôpital Q5 suffit largement pour un pays comme le notre et nous ne manquons pas assez de gold pour prendre une décision pareille.
Pour ce qui est de la Belgique, je ne m'intéresse pas à ce qui s'y passe. Tout ce que je vois c'est que tu clames sa neutralité et pourtant tu voudrais qu'elle rejoigne PEACE. Personnellement, je trouve ça contradictoire.
Eleriel, please don't lie!
"...Let me point out that we got absolutely no help from Hungary during the Congress elections. Why? Well they were too busy failing to prevent an EDEN ‘PTO’ to help out a country with which they were supposed to be friends. On the other hand, the US sent us quite a few voters..."
First of all, how do you know, where your voters came from? Or who voted for which candidate??
I was in Hungarian PTO room that day, and I can tell you, we had one eye on Swiss voting the whole day. But as your party (Swiss Liberal Party) was leading anyway (finally you got 223/320 votes in congress election, what is about 70😵 why should we had sent other voters??
And yes, we were busy, preventing Belgium, from PTO. We are really sorry, we couldn't save them, and now Belgium is a puppet state with Romanian president, and congress.
You may not know, but Hungary was attacked in 7 battles on congress election day. We were threatened by a thousands of enemy using 10 thousands of gold, just to take away our regions.
And why don't you tell also your readers, that you got several companies, when paying for your regions?
And that before Theocrats, were ruling in Switzerland? And they still would, if Hungary hadn't ousted them?
And that we were your partners all the time, trying to help Switzerland for a new start, without Theocrats, without occupation?
I have no problem when you decide to join eden or whatever alliance. (I may find it a bit strange) It's your free choice as a neutral country.
But please stop dumping on us.
peter81 ... totaly agree, you should publish it on some place more visible
He told everyone what we had for the gold we paid in his newspaper.
The theocrats were in Switzerland but you attacked them not because they weren't real Swiss people but because they were your ennemies. If they were in PEACE, you wouldn't have botter about them.
And finally, you were our partners ? Wow, I'd like to know what you mean. Attacking us ? Offering us to sign an awfull NAP ? Selling us part of our country for a huge amount of gold ?
I think this piece is well-answered here:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/paradise-lost-eswitzerland-in-eden-eng-hu--1027302/1/20#comments" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/para[..]ents
It clears some things. I think some of the money-demands (even for companies) went a bit far, and the Swiss are right to question those - but the rest to me is (could have been) a fair deal and I too condemn what Switzerland did as betrayal. The USA bought them for hospital and they choose to kick their neutrality to the winds for that.
I am Quicksilver
When I agreed to tell everyone to vote for you, I thought we share the opinion. You just made a fatal choice for your country. Enjoy your sufferings, but don't worry, it only hurts till you die. Anyway, I wish you all the luck. You will need it. 😉
well as I see it, the 30 silver is a q5 hospital nowdays... 😉
je dis simplement f4ucon, que vous auriez pu etre honnêtes avant d'avoir de l'aide de différents pays. Vous avez profité de tous les cotés d'eden et de peace.... neutralité? Ah ben non, on va prendre ceux qui nous donneront plus de sous.
Pourquoi j'écris ici, car je fais partie de nombreux citoyens ayant donné des fonds à un pays pour sa liberté et sa neutralité.
Personnellement, j'aime pas les gens malhonnêtes. Vous l'avez été avec deux alliances. Mais je suppose que vu votre égoisme, vous vous en moquez. Et en tant que joueuse, j'ai encore le droit de dire ce que je pense... on appelle ca la liberté d'expression.
On doit payer pour poster chez vous les Suisses? Ah ben non... ouf...
Et pour info, je ne suis plus ministre. Et je monte mes ranks où je veux. Si j'ai envie de taper à tonbouktou, j'ai pas d'ordre à recevoir de toi.
Hungary invades Switzerland and demands outrageous amounts of money to return it to the true Swiss, no the Theocrats. Hungary you are nobodies friend except a few select PEACE countries like Serbia, Russia and Indonesia. EDEN doesn't like you, neutral sates don't like you which is why they keep on coming to EDEN, PEACE members in France, Italy and Argentina don't like you.
You are digging your own grave the more you walk over the rest of us.
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Elynea =>
Nous avons étés honnêtes car nous pensions sérieusement rester neutre mais ça n'a malheureusement pas été possible.
Pour ce qui est des dons, ils ont tous été utilisés pour remettre l'économie suisse à flot (regarde l'organisation qui nous les as donné, elle a fait une liste de leur utilisation) et je le redit cela bénéficie à d'autres pays comme nos taxes pour les RW sont très faibles comparées aux autres pays.
Si tu persistes à croire que l'on serait assez bête pour rejoindre une alliance seulement pour une histoire de sous alors que nous avons étés capable de réunir près de 1000 gold pour un pays aussi peu peuplé que le notre, je ne peux plus rien pour toi...
Appart ça, tu n'aimes pas les gens malhonnêtes ? ça tombe bien moi non plus. 😛
Nous n'avons pas été malhonnête car nous n'avons jamais promis quoi que ce soit. On demande de l'aide car on pensait rester neutre, certains citoyens ou pays nous aident et par la suite on rejoindra forcément le côté qui nous a le plus aidé si notre neutralité n'est plus une option valable.
Pour ce qui est de ta liberté d'expression, va-y parle, ne te gêne pas. Il y a juste une règle mondialement reconnue qui dit que l'on a pas le droit de diffamer sans preuves. J'aimerais juste que tu la respecte aussi. Si on ne connait pas un sujet, on a en principe la décence de s'abstenir d'en parler.
Et pour terminer, ta situation personnelle ne m'intéresse pas le moins du monde. Tu fais ce que tu veux avec qui tu veux et je ne crois pas avoir jamais dit le contraire.
Sadly voted 🙁
et bien j'espère juste que vous savez ce que vous faite car je ne pense pas que le peuple français vous soutiendra une nouvelle fois et surtout n'oubliera pas de sitôt cette traitrise
vive la France et vive la démocratie sans maitre et une laisse
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