The Case for Neutrality
Edana Savage
I wonder at the wisdom of writing about this just prior to an election, but then I've never been one to compromise. If something needs to be said, then I will say it and if that means I'm not elected then so be it.
I am so sick of seeing articles about how we should be expanding our borders and taking NI. These are usually claims made by the ignorant, the uneducated, or those bent on manipulating the masses into foolish action. Anyone with intelligence and vision will see that NI is not worth taking. I am not military (although I do my part), and even I can see the foolishness of the arguement.
Some would argue that we should become part of a larger alliance such as Eden/Fortis. The alliance at this time would benefit those in the alliance more than it would benefit Ireland. We would be at the mercy of the powers that be. That really does not sit well with me. Can you honestly say that it sits well with you?
Now to my young ones:
They are all eager to go to battle and fight. It is the eagerness of youth. I remember what that was like my first few days. So they are forgiven. Those with cooler heads will learn the way of things and settle into roles that will help Ireland.
But those older players who perpetuate this foolishness, I have much harsher words for you. Because your intent is not to make Ireland better, It is to further your own ambitions and your own agenda. You could care less if we take NI. You could care less about the betterment of Ireland.
I'm issuing a challenge. If you truly want to grow Ireland then we need numbers. If we truly want to be a power in this world then we need the population to support that effort. I and many others will not subserviate ourselves beneath the heel of Eden/Fortis and certainly not PEACE unless there is damn good reason to do so. Although I honestly can't imagine what that reason could be at this juncture.
Now I have heard the first truly inspired idea in awhile, and that came from Enigma's manifesto.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/vote-the-enigma-for-congress-in-the-northeast-of-ireland-949316/1/20
Is it perfected? No. But it is an idea worth exploring.
This is what we need right now, fresh ideas. Not the same old tired rhetoric from the same old tired people.
Ireland needs to grow be it through Alliances or through increasing our population. When our population starts exceeding 5000, then we can start talking seriously about more aggressive strategies. So I suggest you start recruiting new citizens, gentlemen.
Dare to grow.
And if I'm wrong....... Prove it.
Edana Savage
Minister of New Citizens
Candidate for Congress in Cork and Kerry
Comments
Great!
I'm sorry.
You are destroying eIreland... And I am even convinced you think you're doing eIrish interests.
I'm sorry to say, most of your thought are wrong, as well as ill-argumented (. We would be at the mercy of the powers that be. ), and often offensive (...the ignorant, the uneducated, or those bent on manipulating the masses...).
I suggest you really set your mind to other occupations than stating the clearly untrue.
Apologies for the interruption in demolishing what's left of this country
Rollo
@Rollo How am I destroying eIreland? How are my thought wrong, Rollo? How can we take NI with a population of 1400 and that is not even the active population? It is foolishness to take on such a strategy with vastly inferior numbers, and for what? Some mediocre resources and an uncooperative population? No, it is flawed.
Now if we had larger numbers it might be a different story. So how is that wrong to want to increase our population? Hmmm?
Come now, this is a debate. Give me something to work with.
Quick answer. Sorry but I dont think it's healthy to write the same things again and again. Neutrality is killing eIreland. The reason for that statement is all int he eIre forum.
I never tirned down a debate tho.
"How can we...."
Although my statements are not about the "how", my accusations were that your proposals are ill argumented or offensive. I dont think either of those features will benefit the debate.
Now you're trying to move the level of the debate using arguments. Which is already an improvement.
So "How can we...."
First of all I need to say I dont think that "taking NI" is necessarily a viable or desirable thing. I wish also to point out that, whatever the outcome, we should never feel compelled not to discuss any more an issue, no matter if it's the upmmteenth time.
Everything can be accomplished. Nothing can be done if we're alone and unallied.
Look here for reference http://ieforums.hobbittown.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4900#post4900" target="_blank">http://ieforums.hobbittown.com/default.a[..]4900
About neutrality and how it's bad for Ireland...
http://ieforums.hobbittown.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=552" target="_blank">http://ieforums.hobbittown.com/default.a[..]=552
I hope I have sparked a debate, tho I'd prefer if it was carried out in the proper forum.
Rollo
In the current climate there is no point in clamoring for Northern Ireland and Edana is right about needing our population to grow. Which, is why I have put so much effort into immigration reform and the creation of the Ministry of New Citizens.
However, I dont agree that joining an alliance would be necessarily against Ireland's interest.
Brave words Patton, i wish more of our politicians felt the same about alliances , and i agree with both rollo and yourself
I do not want to take NI because it has been an eUK regions since the start of the game and the resources in the region are actually no use to us we would just gain 300 citizens that is not really worth it and it would upset our allies and do not compare RL into the game it doesn't work that way.
I do not agree to join any alliance because Ireland status is Neutrality as always and our Country would not get full support from Eden and PEACE if we joined either of them.
Patton you're a politician and I understand you don't like "clamoring". I am not invested with any powers and I think that, despite not agreeing on the political viability (or even desireability) or the NI thing, I think that keeping freedom of speech on the highest regard is always the top priority.
I personally agree on the importance of keeping the best relationship with our eUK neighbour in these times of world turmoil, and further.
But the enemy we should be most wary of is within. If we insult those (and I personally dont agree with many of them) who think differently, we're not developing fully our democratic potential.
This said, I have the utmost respect for your administrstion and the achievements we are attaining.
Rollo
@ Edana, Well said. Logical, not emotional. You have the right ideas and right suggestion at application.
@ Patton and Cas, I don't disagree, but the question is which and whom? I don't trust any of the big kids. They have grown beyond their measure to control even themselves. A coalition of neutral states on the the other hand...
@ Rollo, Who would you say is the enemy? And who would you say we should ally with? Just which one do you think will care and not just use us as fodder? I'm curious which way you would turn at this crossroad.
@Donovan what about Sol , they are hardly in a position (geographically and militarily) to use us as fodder , Why not form our own alliance of smaller, vunerable and nuetral countries . Problem with asking such as question is that 90+ percent of recent and current TD's want to "play politic" at home and any time an alliance is mentioned the same oul rhetoric gets spouted.
Not many will even contemplate anything other than independant nuetrality , and shout down any person who questions or suggests otherwise
@Cas, I believe of all the existing alliances that SOL is the one closest to our ideals. I absolutely agree with you in regards to an alliance of smaller neutral countries that would aid each other in maintaining sovereignty without imperialistic leanings. If what you say about the state of TD's in regard to foreign policy is true, that is a shame. Perhaps it will change soon.
There are also quite a few members of existing alliances who are only in said alliances to protect their own sovereignty because of a lack of alternatives ...
I'm sure. And they are at the whim of the more powerful member states. That is definitely something to consider.
Maybe joining Sol is something we need to consider . We would maintain our neutrality and have a little more protection
Or we could lead the way.
@Patton aswell as considering sol , maybe we could direct the MoFA to "suss out" other non-alligned countries and get their input also?
Im just saying there are other countries in the same boat , we can create another option together.
@DT snap
great ideas!
leading the way would be a good option for ireland and historic in eRep history
ps. thanks for the plug, Edana
Frankly, eIreland is the perfect agent to affect change in the world. To bring other nations disputes out in the open for debate, to aid in resolving them in an unbiased manner. No one can claim we are in it for glory or gold.
Of course they would. Even though everyone knows it isn't true.
Anyway Edana, I love the article 🙂
If we wanted to join SOL we would have to give up our PEACE Wargames and join theirs so that be a probelm.
I wouldn't say that is a problem. Merely a condition. Or we form our own coalition of neutral states and hold our own wargames.
Nice article Edana
I believe if we join any side in this war we will be wiped off the map for purely tactical purposes that's why I would be againist joining one of the major alliances but a new neutral alliance sounds good but that idea goes around and around all the time and it usually never come's into flurition.
@Rollo: You know I like to disagree with you and this time it's no different.
/facepalm
Sol and neutral alliances...
omg I am spouting this forever.....
for ***ing EVER!
I completely agree with what Edana said. Her view and my own mirror each other, and it's exactly what I've been rambling about on the forums.
And Rollo, you're preaching about freedom of speech and respecting other peoples' opinions, yet your initial response was insulting to Edana; and you said, rather bluntly, that she's wrong for her opinions. Worse still, you accused her of demolishing "what's left" of eIreland.
Take your own advice to heart. I respect and welcome your right to disagree, but don't do it in a dishonorable way and turn around admonish others for the same offense you just made yourself guilty of.
@Rollo. My dear man, you are neither an idiot, uneducated, or selfish. Thank you for commenting. While I don't completely agree with your assessment, I do respect your convictions and where you are coming from. I tip my hat to you.
@ Enigma It needed to be brought forward more forcefully. It's a good idea. 🙂 If it meant ruffeling some fathers so be it. I'm not sorry in the least.
@DT Brilliant as usual. 😉
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/on-the-necessity-of-taking-up-arms-against-the-british-oppressors-951879/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/on-t[..]/1/20
West Brits are so amusing.
@ Andy. Please don't promote your article on my Newspaper. I would repectfully as you to remove your comment. It's not in good form. I'm rapidly losing my patience with you.
that is an outstanding article edana. i agree wholeheartedly on the neutrality endof things and you've conveyed your thoughts well! 🙂
Neutraility Doesnt always mean safety, However joining, or creating an alliance will put a big fat target on eIrelands back.
in times like these it makes me wonder if there even is an eGod.
I like the second option forging an alliance with other neutral countries even as a former american and RL american i would not like to see ireland join fortis or eden and well peace just abuses it's smaller members for the benefit of larger members, I propose we come up with a snazzy name and make a new alliance with neutral countries if not sol looks promising with south africa, austrailia, and china it's not peace or f/e
*wink at mac_talla
We need fights! even just to better our economy
Discussion on same in forum
Please make your opinion heard ,, lets work together and be nice
http://ieforums.hobbittown.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4977#post4977" target="_blank">http://ieforums.hobbittown.com/default.a[..]t4977