Response to Imperialism
Joe Newton
Undoubtedly, most of us think of the Nazi's when we hear that term. Maybe the Soviet Union, or the British Empire or the Roman Empire. Atrocities were committed in all those empires, that isn't
contested. But here in eRepublik, what harm does Imperialism have? This article is a response to this.
I will not be arguing RL imperialism. Although some historians lay out the case that imperialism, even in RL, has been a good thing for society. But alas, that is another story.
One thing CivilAnarchy addressed was all the attacks America has done to foreign power prior to WWIII. We had attacked Portugal, France and Russia at different times. BUT we failed in all of those, due to lack of organization and all of PEACE rallying to stop us. If America gains high Iron, it was said, and gets more players and educates themselves on the ways of an empire, they will be unstoppable and will force the Admins to reset the game. PEACE believed that, and stopped us at every turn.
Now the reason all those invasions FAILED is because we didn't finish the job! Now what I mean by that is, we didn't have an "exit strategy."
We could have finished the job by doing either: a.) making peace, which wasn't sought after enough, or B, the "ugly" option that everyone cringes over. PTOing them and forcing them to close the war, just like PEACE/PENIX does all the time!
Now, having said that. This is a game. Invading nations does NOT kill any babies. It hardens resolve, and gives players determination and anger against the occupier. In short, it KEEPS them here! Which is the goal, on both sides. More players=more power. Simple formula.
Now, occupying Mexico/Colombia/UK does not give us any high resource. We have almost all of them already. HOWEVER, it is a matter of justice! As for putting our country at risk, it doesn't as long as we FINISH what we start! Which any of the 3 Candidates running would make damn sure we do.
There ARE good points to invasions here. It gives citizens a reason to stay. War makes the eWorld spin. 1/2 the players here stay for the military aspect NOT the political aspect. If their is no real war, they will leave.
Being invaded was the best thing that ever happened to the eUS. It made us stop role playing, and start playing the damn game! We stopped in fighting and started fighting our enemy! That's what the game is. And I play to win. I don't know about you.
"If you can accept losing, you can't win.”
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Nice, for more thoughts on Imperialism check out my article: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/thank-you-and-imperialism--1175318/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/than[..]/1/20
good stuff.
Another great read Newton.
I think everyone should be aware of this as well: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/state-of-siege-notes-on-anti-imperialism-1173824/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/stat[..]/1/20
great newton
"This is a game"
😮 that blows my mind
Right on target as usual, Joe. I'll be voting J/J.
"..it is a matter of justice". Hrrmmm. Bit of a stretch, innit? What about all the Colombians who opposed the pro-PEACE policy during WW3? If you want revenge, just say so.
Couldn't agree with you more!
Are suggesting Colombia shouldn't be held liable for their actions because a few of them didn't like it?
That's like saying you shouldn't hold Hitler liable for the holocaust because some Germans were opposed to it.
Very good stuff, and full of truthiness.
Oh so true...
I'm saying invading Colombia or Mexico is not a matter of justice.
If I follow your logic, then e-Mexico is justified in occupying the e-US, right?
And wtf, I don't think you really think that all Germans (today!?) are responsible for the Shoah? The Nuremberg Trials targetted people who committed specific crimes, not an entire nation.
If there were justice in the game, then individuals who committed crimes (in the game) could be put on trial. But there is no justice module.
I'm saying don't confuse justice with a desire to wage an imperialist war of revenge against Latin American countries.
Mexico would never be justified in invading us after letting colombia through and stabbing us in the back.
you completely misunderstood what i said. i'm saying just because some germans didn't approve of the holocaust, does that mean Hitler shouldn't have been killed? (if he had lived)
some colombians probably didn't approve of their gov'ts act, but they DID do it, and must suffer the consequences.
Invading Mexico/Colombia isn't Imperialistic. It's just.
removed you from friend list because of this. Your articles may be good reading, but your shouts are misleading, you just want to get views. Not voted and unsuscribed and removed from friend list. Too cheap for my taste.
haha 😃
Looking for excuses to fail, yet again?
hahaha 😃
Looking for excuses to fail? Again? 🙂
Hahaha 😃
Looking for excuses, to fail? Again?
Hahaha 😃
Looking for excuses, to fail? Again?
My friend, I think I understood you very well. 🙂
But we're not talking about "killing Hitler", are we? You're talking about punishing an entire country; that's assigning collective guilt and punishing everyone for the acts of a few.
Justice would be an e-international war crimes tribunal or something like that.
I get your point: you want revenge against Mexico and Colombia. And Mexico wanted revenge against the e-US for invading it. But justice has nothing to do with it.
I think that I may vote for you.
Keep this up.
Lol: When US is in bad situation, imperialism is bad. When they want PEACE/ Phoenix, to lose high regions - we help liberation.
And when they are in offensive, now imperialism isnt bad.
OK.
BUT!
- TOing a nation and wiping out its money is bad! ( Belgium bye romanians called The Group! )
- Destroying a full nation because of hate ( Bye Croatia vs Serbia )is bad!
- Holding full countries occupied without putting down a hospital, or making greetings is bad ( Bulgaria, Germany,France ) This way you do kill babies!
Its a tipical talk about what we do now is good, and what others do is bad.
Im in hope that US will be conwuered once, and maybe then U will learn. Because U didnt learn a thing from the invasion of eAmerica.
Joe Newton:
"some colombians probably didn't approve of their gov'ts act, but they DID do it, and must suffer the consequences.
Invading Mexico/Colombia isn't Imperialistic. It's just."
US attacked France-Russia back in French Toast, the attack on US was the cnsequences. And now attacking France, UK and Germany, Poland, Spain , US etc. will feel the consequences too. It isnt imperialistic. It's a just 🙂
Your logic failed.
Joe Newton:
"some colombians probably didn't approve of their gov'ts act, but they DID do it, and must suffer the consequences.
Invading Mexico/Colombia isn't Imperialistic. It's just."
So because you attacked France in French Toast, or Russia you face the consequences bye the invasion of America. And now attacing Germany and France, all EDEN will face the consequences.
It isnt imperialistic, it's just. 🙂
Your logic failes, Its just a twist in thinking ( when U like it, imperialism is bad, and you fight against it, and when U need it, imperialism is good so you invade )
Joe Newton:
"some colombians probably didn't approve of their gov'ts act, but they DID do it, and must suffer the consequences.
Invading Mexico/Colombia isn't Imperialistic. It's just."
So because you attacked France in French Toast, or Russia you face the consequences bye the invasion of America. And now attacing Germany and France, all EDEN will face the consequences.
It isnt imperialistic, it's just. 🙂
Your logic failes, Its just a twist in thinking ( when U like it, imperialism is bad, and you fight against it, and when U need it, imperialism is good so you invade )
U.I.: Sorry for bad english, i only learned it. And somehow eRep doesnt let me comment 🙂 Its a 5th try 🙂
Joe Newton:
"some colombians probably didn't approve of their gov'ts act, but they DID do it, and must suffer the consequences.
Invading Mexico/Colombia isn't Imperialistic. It's just."
So because you attacked France in French Toast, or Russia you face the consequences bye the invasion of America. And now attacing Germany and France, all EDEN will face the consequences.
It isnt imperialistic, it's just. 🙂
Your logic failes, Its just a twist in thinking ( when U like it, imperialism is bad, and you fight against it, and when U need it, imperialism is good so you invade )
U.I.: Sorry for bad english, i only learned it. And somehow eRep doesnt let me comment 🙂 Its a 5th try 🙂
damn cant comment
Joe Newton:
"some colombians probably didn't approve of their gov'ts act, but they DID do it, and must suffer the consequences.
Invading Mexico/Colombia isn't Imperialistic. It's just."
So because you attacked France in French Toast, or Russia you face the consequences bye the invasion of America. And now attacing Germany and France, all EDEN will face the consequences.
It isnt imperialistic, it's just. 🙂
Your logic failes, Its just a twist in thinking ( when U like it, imperialism is bad, and you fight against it, and when U need it, imperialism is good so you invade )
U.I.: Sorry for bad english, i only learned it. And somehow eRep doesnt let me comment 🙂 Its a 7th try 🙂
you commented like 42 times actually, hahah.
Polgar pointed out some wonderful flaws in your judgement there. You make an article attacking someone claiming the US caused its own invasion yet you argue in your own comments that columbia caused its (hypothetical) invasion by doing the same exact thing we did... Want to start making sense dear Joseph?