I cannot believe my eyes...now seriously...
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by 8-3=1
I read this article and I cannot believe my eyes.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/open-letter-to-bulgarian-citizens-1977002/1/20
My first impression was: what the f... is going on? I read again, and again.
1. Since when the president of Romania can write letters "to Bulgarian citizens"? If I am not wrong, the president of Romania is dealing with the president of Bulgaria, with the government of Bulgaria, with the ambassador of Bulgaria, and with the HQ of Eden where all of them communicate.
Writing a letter directly to Bulgarian citizens is such a stupid act. If something was to be discussed, it had to be discussed with Bulgarian people in power- either directly or under management of Eden.
I think Romania people in power got carried away and forgot where they belong. We should not bully our allies and good neighbours with "direct letters".
2. Telling your partners and allies and brothers IN THEIR FACE that "But what you are doing now is WRONG!" means you cut any channel of communication. This is not diplomacy, this is just stupidity to its maximum. Even if they ARE WRONG, dont say it. Not in public. Explain and let them figure out whether they are wrong or not. Hang on, it gets even better. The word "TREASON" shows up. I cannot see why Bulgaria should be accused of treason. They see their interest, but this article is just damaging the interest of Romania, of Bulgaria and of Eden. So...what was the point of the article again? What benefit does that article bring for Eden?
3. The article is signed "on behalf of the whole eRomanian community". Sorry, I dont agree with this article at all. Perhaps the Bulgarians are wrong, perhaps someone needs to explain this to them. Perhaps also the Turkish are wrong and someone needs to explain to them. Perhaps we Romanians are wrong (and we are) and maybe someone needs to explain to us. But this goes with negociation and discussions, not with stupid articles.
I do not support this article and it is not signed on my behalf.
All the best and may better days come for our alliance and friends, including Bulgaria, Turkey and Romania!
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Hail Plato!
Fail 8-3=1! No vote
Still your president is right to some extends.....It is absolutely unacceptable the whole union to be hostage of few stupid kids. They don't represent whole Bulgaria and I know many other bulgarian players that don't support this attitude....
Very good article.
vote from eBulgaria
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vote from eBulgaria
@8-3=1 In Bulgaria the people decide not their CP/MoD/MoFA . I think our CP addressed to the right part of Bulgaria.
clopoyaur = flausinho ... 2sad of a real life and now they take the issues they have and ruin the game for us all 🙁
Pana la urma cine-i MoFA, sau i s-au schimbat cumva atributiile?
@MirceaDrac: you are mistaken.
Why is Romanian president signing an open letter on my behalf (as Romanian citizen) without asking me? Did I decide he should write such message? Who decided that message should be sent out?
So if I did not decide what he is doing, why is he asking Bulgarian citizens to decide individually what their president/government should be doing?
This is double standard by all means and whoever planned that article is an idiot. We dont mess with our allies internal politics.
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Hail optiminus!
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How do you call attacking an ally of Romania?
How do you call fighting for ONE side?
How do you call bullying an entire alliance for a one country ambition?
I don't call it brotherhood!
How do you call it when you need allies, but they are busy fighting against another of your allies?
How do you call it when an ally cannot come to help you because it needs to defend itself from an... ally?
How do you call that?
vote from eBulgaria
Daca taceai, filosof ramaneai, mai tare l-ai facut sa puta, de la tonu' relativ moderat si elegant din articolul de acum o ora ai inceput s-o dai in diverse.
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@Clopoyaur: have some water and maybe you should delete your article.
What you are doing is not bringing any good. This is what you should be looking at- the result of your actions. What is your article targeted at?
Pointing the finger at Bulgaria and cornering them is exactly what you accuse Bulgarians and Turkish of doing to each other, and still you are doing the same childish thing. Its not a good example...organize as many direct discussions between Turkish and Bulgarians, try to make them come to terms, something good might come out you never know. But such stupid articles will only inflate spirits and get the serbian&hungarian trolls to come and try and make things even worse... : )
Fail ba, fail, ce nu intelegi?!
@Cronoss: talking to me? : )
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Thanks allies
This is called constructive critiscism and this is what can make people change
Even though i do not like your CP's article i am still confident that Bulgaria and Romania are great allies and Brothers!
Articles like this are what keeps my faith in EDEN and that there are still people who think of preserving the brotherhood rather than gaining some extra damage.
HAIL Romania
HAIL Bulgaria
HAIL EDEN
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vote from eBulgaria
@8-3=1 Am avut sub, e timpul sa dau unsub. S-au incercat discutii intre cele doua tari si au esuat. Cred ca ar fi mai bine sa intrebi CP-ul sau MOFA inainte sa te lansezi in acuzatii. Imi cer scuze ca nu am scris in engleza.
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Its not ok that Bulgaria to fight alongside ONE.
8-3=1, the CP is elected by the Romanian people and therefor can speak on their behalf
@hricucos: am discutat cu MoFA pe scurt. Din nou, de ce a trebuit clopozauru sa scrie "in numele intregii comunitati romanesti" la scrisoarea lui? Cu mine nu a discutat nimeni... problema lu clopozauru ce scrie, dar sa nu ma bage si pe mine la mijloc.
Problema mea este de forma nu neaparat de fond. In orice negociere mai importanta orice participant are partea lui de dreptate. Mie mi se pare ca cine a scris articolul si a conceput strategia asta de comunicare nu intelege ce vrea bulgarii si mai rau nu intelege ce vrem noi... e "self-destruction" doar de dragul exacerbarii unor conflicte.
@Clopoyaur
"How do you call it when an ally cannot come to help you because it needs to defend itself from an... ally?"
Really?! U serious?! You call "defend itself" something that dont belong to them! It's not unique resource, it's their original territory and they are trying to blackmail us. So, u wanna tell me that u support blackmailing friends? "Give us MPP and we will give u regions" - u call that brotherhood?
@Darklowstar: so why is then Romanian president not talking to Bulgarian president? Why does he go out with an "open letter to Bulgarian people" (who also elected their president and can as well speak on their behalf)? If I would be Bulgarian president I most likely would feel insulted by such action.
Why dont I then talk directly to Bulgarian people if its "people to people discussion"?
What would happen if Bulgarian president would write an "open letter to Romanian people" overcutting the president of Romania, the congressmen of Romania, the government, YOU...? Would YOU be then so happy and so supportive?
Frankly speaking I think you guys need some serious reality check...
@NKFV: i am waiting for you for "people to people" discussion, maybe we can sort things out better than these funny men : )
@8-3=1 Clopoyaur are dreptul sa vorbeasca in numele comunitatii romanesti pentru ca este presedintele ales de aceasta comunitate. Crezi ca pote vorbi cu fiecare om in particular pana sa expuna o parere oficiala? Parerea ta, este bine ca bulgarii lupta alaturi de ONE? Este vina noastra ca lupta impotriva EDEN?
vote from Hungary
O miscare foarte diplomatica din partea CP-ului/MoFA-ului nostru . Felicitari !
/sarcasm mode off
@hricucos: poate sa vorbeasca in numele "Romaniei" (ca e ales democratic corect), dar nu in numele "INTREGII comunitati romanesti" (on behalf of the whole Romanian community)- pt ca din cate imi aduc eu aminte nu a fost votat de 100% din populatie.
Insa trecand peste asta, ramane problema principala: ce se realizeaza prin mesajul respectiv? Ceva bun- cu siguranta nu. Ce se asteapta prin mesajul asta-sa zica populatia bulgara "hail Clopozaur" si sa sara in bratele noastre ca le-am deschis ochii? Asta e un mesaj scris catre bulgari, dar adresat de fapt romanilor si altora din Eden sa vada "boboru" ce duri suntem noi miezu universului...
Io zic sa va mai ganditi inainte sa deschideti gura, atata tot. Mai pe romaneste: gura bate c**u...
So, u wanna tell me that u support blackmailing friends?
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Support is an understatement in this case. They're practically holding our hands while turkeys try to ....
Total fail. Tipic unora dintre romani: hai sa nu suparam pe nimeni, caci capul plecat sabia nu-l taie, nu ?
Toata treaba asta cu BG si TR este de o prostie crasa. Este o palma peste fata data EDEN. Si de catre cine? Tocmai de brother-ii BG, care mai intai au votat una si apoi s-au sucit, atat ei cat si armele, si au vrut altceva.
Vi se pare asta ca suna a fratie?
Vi se pare asta o atitudine demna de un aliat vechi?
Vi se pare asta ca este o situatie constuctiva ptr EDEN ?
Vi se pare corect ca o minoritate sa conduca o majoritate (intr-o democratie) de gen BG vs EDEN?
In civilizatia anului 2012, toti functionam pe principiul "dai in mine, dau in tine!". La ce rahat se asteptau bulgarii din partea turcilor dupa ce zi de zi citim articole in presa in care ii injura, ii fac in toate felurile, ii jignesc, fac petitii, baga legi NE, samd ?? Si toate astea in conditiile in care turcii au reactionat si raspuns destul de putin tuturor provocarilor bulgaresti.
Bulgarii stau si se joaca alba-neagra, cand intregul EDEN are campanii militare grele pe tot mapamondul.
Vi se pare corect ?
@Wildrunner: how come Bulgaria was previously with Turkey in same alliance, and now its something "totally unacceptable"? This I would like to undertand.
Honestly I think this is just part of the game of negotiation, but you're pushing it a bit too far this time by supporting anti-Turkish actions wherever they occur. You might want to reconsider also...
By being on "your side" with this article, it doesnt mean I don't have things to say and criticize you. I just stood up against the way our president considered necessary to convey his message, which is totally unappropriate.
@8-3=1 Bulgaria ar trebui sa se decida in ce barca sta, acesta cred ceu ca este mesajul, sa spuna clar daca este pro sau anti EDEN, nu de alta dar poate iar ne trezim cu cazuri gen polonia sau spania. Eu lupt pentru bulgari si ei ei echipeaza impotriva eden si chiar impotriva eRo pe un chat numit anti-eden, nu mi se pare ok. Trebuie sa spunem lucrurilor pe nume, daca suntem frati, asa sa fim, daca nu mai doresc asta cel putin s-o spuna direct.
Trebuie sa-ti spun ca eu personal as vi pentru un MPP cu ungaria, in caz ca ar dori sa intre in EDEN. Acesta e motivul lor, ca noi cum ne-am simti in locul lor. Eu m-as simti bine cu un aliat alaturi.
E adevarat insa ca in cazul semnarii unui MPP, vor fi exact in situatia noastra, adica cam in cusca. poate ca asta e de fapt motivul principal.
@hricucos: Bulgaria a fost inainte Peace, Phoenix etc. Nu pot avea 100% suport pentru Eden, e valabil pentru toate tarile care nu au fost de o singura parte a baricadei de la inceputul jocului. Asa sunt si polonezi care inca dau pt Eden...
vote. support Bulgaria. we dont need Turkish adventures
8-3=1, those who were around at that time remember who voted for BG to be kicked out of phoenix. If you still can't understand why those people don't want to be allied with Turks then I dunno...
About negotiations, they failed. Read BG CP article, read turkish imbecile reply. War is just continuation of diplomacy.
about your CP article he's just saying what everybody with half a brain knows already. EDEN is giving a green light to turkey to continue to blackmail BG. I'll just sit and watch for how long. I think the breaking point is near now.
Lego-kun, ai fost unul dintre cei mai slabi presedinti, asa ca nu ar trebui sa fii atat de vocal!
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/me detects massive all round fail
imma eat my popcorn and watch from the nose-bleed area of the stands ; )
pickles and polenta forever !
e adevarat caexista o problema care afecteaza mai mult sau mai putin toate tarile eden, fapt ce la o prima vedere ne da dreptul sa luam o oarecare poztie, insa dezamorzarea acestui conflict trebuie si este necesar sa fie facuta de eden si nu eRomania sau oricare alta tara membra eden
Half a year ago Alex Craciun told Romanians to vote for free Kosovo, an illogical move which benefited our enemies Serbia - who showed us their gratitude 1 or 2 weeks ago when they conquered Muntenia.
Croats were pissed! They regarded us as traitors because of one person`s actions. In time relations got better but never as they were before. You dont much see "Cromania" comments lately do you?
Nowadays Clopoyaur openly betrays and insults Bulgaria "in the name of the eRomanian community". Everybody has the right to his own opinion however when he speaks from the position of a country president he should be extra cautious because he is "playing" with the future of an entire e-nation.
After a very good month in office, his last act today was a complete fiasco and wiped out everything good he did so far. Hopefully we will have a new president soon and maybe he will try to make amends.
And for those who regard Bulgaria as "childish" or whatever, put yourself in their shoes. What if your biggest in-game enemy is invited in EDEN and your so-called allies don`t give a shit about your opinion? Will you bend over and take it up the ass or will you fight for your right like Bulgaria does?
Also, the so-called elections for Turkey trial was a charade. Ireland`s representative was threatened in voting yes and Bulgaria was not even represented by its president but by an EDEN aMC who was doing what his masters were telling him to. Bulgarians showed what they wanted in a referendum when 60% voted against. In the meantime even the other 40% became completely desinheartened with Turkey and the EDEN HQ.
So we can say without fear of exaggerating that today Romania mistreated an ally. Bulgaria, as far as I know, did nothing to deserve this treatment.
Interference in internal affairs of Bulgaria should not interest us, they know better than us what decisions to take. If they think the other side is better for them then let them to leave.