Fun times with alliances
Hinokai
I generally stay out of things, particularly nowadays when I've basically quit, but this EDEN stuff made me feel like commenting.
We have, of course, apparently left EDEN. No real referendum occurred, it's mainly the result of an incompetent and largely butthurt government dealing with what appears to be a rather sub-standard EDEN HQ and completely shitting bricks over it. I mean seriously, I've seen no Australian representation other than myself in #eden.military all month, and don't give me that shit about the CP not having access because I got my access from LANCER HIMSELF ON DAY 1, and subsequently offered to help anyone else getting access (and of course was never asked).
But that's not really my topic here, most people know I'm a staunch EDEN supporter and I disagree with leaving the alliance, but it's not really my say.
So, of course, now I'm going to haphazardly comment on anything I feel like.
One of the favourite complaints of Australians is 'Oh noes EDEN never helps us'. This is wrong. More accurate would be 'EDEN rarely wins for us'.
We get lots of help from EDEN, particularly when we actually schedule a battle with them (which of course has not happened this term). We get millions from our EDEN allies, in bigger battles they can sometimes do more damage for us than we do ourselves. This does not however always result in victory, and as such results in the childish whining that EDEN never helps.
On the other hand, the reason we do not get wins, is simply that we do not get taken seriously as a country by EDEN. EDEN is of course a Euro-centric alliance. eRepublik is a Euro-centric game. It's expected that Euro countries will worry about Euro countries. But while China and even Brazil and USA who aren't even EDEN receive respect and support (as in non-military) from EDEN countries, Australia as a small, out of the way, often wiped country, is generally dismissed. For every ally that hits for us when we have an important battle up as an EDEN Prio, another will simply go 'Pshhh, Australia, what've they done for EDEN' and proceed to fight elsewhere.
What we have done, is nearly two years of fighting for allies regardless of what we get in return. One thing I've seen many repeating in the EDEN articles is that 'everyone is having a bad time'. The discontent with EDEN is not a new thing. Us being wiped is definitely not a new thing. We have been wiped for a large portion of our existence, even during golden ages of EDEN when they're burning through Serbia or Hungary or Turkey or whatever the target of the day is. Simply dismissing Australian complaints as being something new is quite frankly hilarious.
Again, this does stem in part from incompetent Australian leadership, as many EDEN HQs are open to helping Australia a little and battles can get support if someone actually bothers to communicate with EDEN about it (and if they're not wasting massive amounts of resources on useless wars with Serbia or something, I suppose).
One thing that really annoyed me was the above and it's following comments over on this article by EDEN PR guy Wallachian.
Now sure, you don't like us leaving, and you're not a fan of Australia brokering a deal with Indo, neither am I. However, I honestly find it disgusting to see an ally, particularly one from HQ who is meant to represent EDEN and brotherhood, act like that when a country is barely out of the alliance, many people disagreeing with the decision and still holding EDEN dear.
The fact that such a 180 occurs simply goes to show the lack of any respect given to Australians, as apparently we are all now cowards and traitors when our government of like 3 actives has made a deal. Generalizing an entire country of people is complete and utter stupidity.
Take Brazil for example. A few months back, Brazil wanted to RW WA out from under Indo for whatever reason, despite that we were at the time under deal with Indo to keep ourselves on the map, and as such if they had've RW'd the region we would have been wiped by Indo (luckily one was on elsewhere so they couldn't).
Brazil had zero contact with Aus about their plans, and should have been aware of the deal (USA and NSC (who didn't contact us either), which I learned this from, definitely should have known about our situation).
Or the time that China promised us assistance if Indo were to attack us, and then once Indo attacked us, China decided it was the perfect time to go attack Iran, and completely ignored us.
Did I go around condemning Brazil or China as traitorous villains? No, because that would be stupid. Countries are more than just a few people, decisions aren't made by everyone and as such we shouldn't go condemning a country for a few people. Brazil and China have both helped us many many times and as such they're bros regardless of what they do.
At the end of the day, I pretty much just hope that allies can see past 'ZOMG AUSTRALIA IS LEAVAN EDEN THEY IS TRAITOR' and recognize that we've been let down plenty more than just recently, nobody is without sin (including ourselves), not everyone supports the deal, and most of all, there are still many of us who recognize what some of our allies do do, and respect those fighters who do recognize Australia.
In other news, I have no fucking idea what any of this article is about and it's not going to make any sense. I doubt it conveys anything I want it to, and it will most probably be garbage. If I was drunk this thing would probably be about as incomprehensible as a jaybay article.
I generally just wanted to say that both Aus and EDEN are at fault, our government is shit, Wallachian makes HQ look like childish babies, and I still love our allies.
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Seriously I have nfi what I ended up writing about.
lol
So long as you love someone Hino...
i enjoyed the head blown part.
Classic garbage with a true twist ..... LOVE IT
Is the twist that even the author doesn't know what the fuck he's writing?
Well he is mentally challenged ...
A twist of lime perhaps?
i will give you a vote for arguing against yourself 😛
o7 Australia
Thanks alpho 🙂🙂 We will never forget our Bro's
Voted hard!
well i can certainly see your point of view but i have to disagree on a few points.
1. being EDEN helping, Countries we have a true brotherhood with help us, not EDEN has a whole. ive seen it many times over many months that even when we have 1 priority only countries that actually have true friendship with us help. greece, china for instance. the others proceed to ignore our battles and fight in their own worthless one.
2. issues with EDEN haven't been just a thing of this term. most of my 12 months have had substandard treatment from EDEN and my reasons for agreeing to leave EDEN stem from there not from this term.
however i do agree with your points about this governments dealing with EDEN being a bit bad. much could have been done. i kinda regret not caring enough to actually do it myself.
"...and I still love our allies."
i like this part
o7 Australia
Respect.
I'm sorry that you left EDEN and I can understand your reasons, but I think there were better solutions. As you said both sides are to be blamed.
I wish you all the best and hope that we'll stay friends 😉
You speak that a country should not be judged based on a few players, yet you start judging an alliance based on 1 player.
Problems with smaller countries always arise in alliances, especially when they're weaker or loosing at the time. EDEN and TERRA have persevered through very difficult times over the past year and things are starting to turn around even if a little.
EDEN needs fresh blood in it's HQ to keep driving forward and even the battlefield, you can either try to make a difference and fix what doesn't work or choose to try to build from scratch. From experience starting from scratch is hard and requires a lot of patience and will.
Only you yourselves know what is best for you and if you have the needed patience and will to go the road "the few" have chosen for you.
o7 Australia
Well said, even for a Jaybay-esque article.
Respect Australia
Tim_Holtz while Greece and China have been standout players for us, some of our biggest victories have come from Cromanian assistance when they send militia backup. It doesn't happen often (what with them being slightly busy right next to the biggest ONE countries in the game) but they have definitely sent us help at vital times.
Not to mention that, although it was a while ago, during the PTO last year Romania sent us ATOers faster than some eAustralians even noticed we were under PTO threat.
Fought for Australia many times,as they did for EDEN...
good luck o/
Voted!
Good luck Australia, I realy can't understand many of your decisions (like prefering a MPP with Denmark instead of Portugal) but I understand that sometimes you have to leave an alliance to get better and stronger.
We (Portugal) did that by leaving TERRA (American alliance) and going to a Euro alliance like EDEN.
Maybe you have to do the oposite.
Denmark MPP was because a citizen paid for it personally. I was rather amazed we renewed Russia instead of Portugal, really. I suppose I don't understand our MPP stack either.
Every country has once in a while a noobish/impulsive/childish/fed-up with everything government who would rather complain and take their toys and leave rather than suck it up and do whatever in their powers to actually improve something
In my book, the real "e-heroes" are those who keep doing their job, who keep fighting even when all seems lost.
If there's anything we should have learned by now is that in eRepublik, as in life, everything has a cycle.
Not sure how the author of this article reached the conclusion I don`t care about Australians.
Why I would I bother reading Australian media and trying to knock some sense into some people (who are as you say the few who rule over Australia destiny) by commenting to their articles and trying to show the Australian audience theres 2 sides for each story and maybe EDEN wasn`t the big baddie using little Australia for drain damage?
Maybe, in your opinion, I should have minded my own business, just like the rest of the HQ and the EDEN representatives and just treat the whole thing as some insignificant news from the other side of the world, and just give a diplomatic message:"We are sorry to see you go. kkthxbye"
Would that be more appropriate? More diplomatic?
Or maybe I should just take it as a personal attack for you did patronized me with the "childish baby" remark and by only print screened the comment where I was showing (in a passionate way) my discontent with the actions of the current Australian government and not show all my other comments.
Of course if you actually did that, people might notice that Wallachian did contemplate the whole situation even prior to finding out about the Australian - Indonesian deal which was pretty shocking to him just like it was to many Australians and he didn`t just woke up after a gettingpisseddrunk night and decided he hates kangaroos?
I understand, of course, that you only show what`s in your benefit in order to prove a valid point with your article, and maybe that`s enough for some people who are not very gifted by nature.
So if bashing me brought you extra-credit then good for you. Job well done mate. Good article. Very eloquent.
However, even though I`m not sure anymore why I`m bothering, here`s the comment I made in the same newspaper, 2 days ago when Australia announced they left EDEN:
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Wallachian Day 1,471, 02:27
That`s a bit disappointing.
Many EDEN countries have problems and not just Australia.
One thing I know is that you dont drop your gun and leave your friends on the battlefield. Whats in winning some pixels anyway? But, I guess not everybody thinks the way I do...
If this decision is final I guess all i can do is wish you goodluck in the future.
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How is that for a childish baby, "Australian hater", annoying guy Wallachian?
But like I said, who cares ey? You had a point to prove and you picked to show what was in your favor.
2 days ago, yeah, and then you did a complete 180, saying you were glad Australia left. That is what I was calling childish bro. You were doing fine initially, and then when the government comes out saying they're making a deal, you decide that apparently all of Australia are cowards and traitors to EDEN for 'a few pixels'.
This deal is a shock to everyone, not just you. This isn't something that has been discussed with Australia, this is something being thrown on the people, and you've decided to turn around and condemn an entire nation based on whatever stupid reasoning you're using to apply the actions of a few to many.
And really, I didn't see the need to replicate your entire quote chain here. I linked to the article, people can read it fine, and I don't see why I need to copy over other such gems as
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Wallachian Day 1,472, 02:24
@Larni
Yesterday I showed my regret for this move. I still had plenty of respect for Australia. Until yesterday you were one of the countries that made EDEN proud.
Today whatever respect I had is gone. You didnt just leave. You bullshitted us that you werent helped enough and that you dont want to spend 10 gold anymore lol. All that when the true reason was treachery...
You sold your friends and you sold your honor for a few pixels.
Hope it was worth it.
You can take your place among ONE`s slaves now.
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A side note here, your comment here literally mirrors what I said about you in the article. I said you have no respect for Australia, your comment says you have no respect for Australia.
I would hardly consider me calling you out as the childish baby you are in that article particularly bad, but obviously I've hit on a nerve, so I'm sorry I hurt your poor little feelings Wallachian.
And my answer should be: "Oh noes, why are you so mean to me and hurt my lil` feelins?"
Does that BS work with the other people you met in Erepublik Hinokai?
You could have easily bashed me to win popularity points. I guess bashing me from a EDEN HQ member position would give you a bonus. You don`t just bash somebody, you bash an entire alliance this way.
It doesnt matter that an EDEN PR responsibility is the "Voice of EDEN" and outside that he is allowed to have his personal opinion. And if you notice never in my comments I said Im speaking on behalf of EDEN or EDEN HQ. I was solely speaking from me and I was showing my indignation with what the Australian rulers did.
However just bashing an ordinary player would not give you enough credit and would not give enough weight to your article, so instead of bashing Wallachian, lets bully the whole EDEN HQ and the whole EDEN alliance which they represent!
As a side-note I joined the HQ in the begging of November to help the newly elected SC Octavius Julius who is my friend and who had plenty of good ideas to resurrect EDEN 🙂
And my mandate is pretty much done now that he unfortunately left the game and I have no intention to continue.
So hurry in bashing Wallachian the EDEN PR because soon he will be a regular player and damn, you dont get any extra credit for throwing with dirt in his official position 🙂
Hinokai is a god, I wish eAustralia would be full of people like you!
So what you are saying is that its not your duty to be the voice of EDEN you just are for the title and anything else you do isnt an eden problem and you can go around the world condeming an enitre nation because a few people went off to do what EDEN refused to do for the past 2 years im sorry but your whole bullshit of im better then you because i helped 1 guy dosent make you any better then the rest of us.
Unfortunately Wallachian, when you have a position of power, particularly in in alliance, your responsibilities extend out of the simple confines of you role.
When you go calling entire countries traitors and cowards and that you're glad they left an alliance, you can't simply dismiss it as your opinions and expect nobody is going to go 'Hey, that guy just attacked an ENTIRE COUNTRY for the actions of A FEW PEOPLE and he's meant to be representing public relations for an entire alliance'.
So yeah, of course the fact you're HQ was a bonus. I even mentioned that in the article. My whole point was that it is entirely unbefitting of your position. You can also see that in the article, I express my issues with EDEN HQ as well.
You're welcome to continue to try feebly to turn this back on me, but you're not really getting anywhere. You attacked an entire country, I called you childish over it. You can either continue - childishly - to attack me in return and try and make out I'm the bad guy for calling you on it, or you can suck it up and move on.
"As a side-note I joined the HQ in the begging of November to help the newly elected SC Octavius Julius who is my friend and who had plenty of good ideas to resurrect EDEN"
"who is my friend"
😛😛 I figured it was a mate thing, you couldn't have gotten in there on your intelligence ....
Petsku ❤❤
"Henry the 8th Day 1,473, 05:06
😛 I figured it was a mate thing, you couldn't have gotten in there on your intelligence ...."
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Thank you Henry! You just opened my eyes about what you, people like you, the current Australian government, this article and his author, TRULLY stand for (at least in regard with me). I realize now I`m too stupid to ever be a match to you guys and to your expectations. Being insulted in comments and in the article was made with the sole purpose of making me see this truth🙂
So indeed I guess I should suck it up and move on. Good bye Australia, you`re obviously in good hands.
I'm guessing you are the edumakayted won Wally 😛😛
Did a good job editing in your mistakes wallachian.
Good article Hinokai.
Please Henry, shut up!
EDEN are garbage, and they treat us like the arse end of the earth. If you think otherwise you are a fool.
Only infin's opinion counts, everyone else who disagrees is a fool. Probably explains his great success at getting elected CP.
Anyway, Hinokai makes some good points, in his way. The public reason was to save a little money. OK, we saved some money and destroyed our honour. We pissed off who knows how many people and now if we ever wanted to get back into EDEN, we will need to do serious brown nosing.
I also think this is a distraction from our real problems. The real issue, is finding a way to cut the strings from our puppet master.
Ok Hino - I take it all back.
I prefer the man of few words approach you have going...
: P
EDEN HQ = wrong people on wrong place
stream of consciousness articles ftw.
lol
Anyway - Respect eAustralia! o7
only australia will lose in this whole deal by not having its leaders educated in one of the 2 best hq's in the world.
u see what happened to usa since they left eden? now they are an even more dumbed-down version of what they used to be
good article, Hinokai
voted : )
At the end of the day EDEN sucked, and did nothing for eAustralia.
Nothing will change that.
ShadowMJ you are obviously misinformed or simply pulling stuff out your arse
i would rate the Luna HQ about EDEN HQ. seriously!
Best 2 Gold I've ever seen anyone spend on this game.
Hinokai!! o7