Few cents about BG-EDEN-TR issue

Day 1,565, 16:51 • Published in USA USA • by Ariakis
Well first of all I was about to write article a long time ago, but I guess I was to lazy. Also since people in eRepublik in general tend to listen to emotions, not reason I felt it was rather pointless. Well probably still is but whatever.

radens wrote an article about mistakes done by both HQ and BG during introducing Turkey, mihai cazacu wrote about how stupid was to suspend Bulgaria right now, Boyan was writing about mistakes in Bulgarian FA lately and earlier about pros and contras of Turkey wandering into EDEN. At some points I agree with them, maybe with most so I'll try to keep to minimum stating what was done right and what was done wrong.

If you want short version then: you're all to blame: Bulgaria, Turkey, HQ+CC. Each side made mistakes, each side was too stubborn, inactive or not reasonable enough. Tho personally I'm disappointed the most in Bulgarians since I can't get it how they are so freely speaking of what they did for EDEN, obviously forgetting what EDEN gave them.
Turkey is Turkey - can't be disappointed since I tend to build my opinion over time and still haven't done it completely, HQ and CPs are better or worse, anyway people can blame themselves for choosing CPs who in their opinion sucks, Country Council can blame itself if it can't elect working HQ.

And as for ONE trolls: before you comment grow up some working alliance, with working diplomacy, commanders who have brain and strategic abilities, learn what alliance means and try on thinking about your allies not only when you need to buy their future services by helping them at the very moment. I could also tell you to find any ONEish country which never ever betrayed anyones trust, but I've heard Slovenia wants to held referendum to get out of ONE and you already told them they betrayed you, so finding such a country would be impossible from the start.

But to the point(s)

Well - first of all Turkey going pro-EDEN - as we now see it led to almost total domination of TEDEN, not as big as ONE had at their peak when it comes to raw power, but combined with experience, better coordination and having a working brain it's enough to wipe them off, especially when they tend to lose faith in alliance and will to fight.

On the other hand it led to some serious internal problems in EDEN. The most funny thing is that problems are caused by single nation. Even Greeks who are considered to be quite stubborn got along with Turks - and they have both eR and real life reasons not to like them.

What I find a bit bitter, but funny is the accusation that EDEN - like HQ and CPs betrayed values of brotherhood. Could be right if only there wasn't a large uprising in Bulgarian society stating that:
a) they are one of the strongest members - so should that mean they have bigger rights or can solo dictate the rest of alliance?
b) they sacrificed and fought for others - yes, like the rest of alliance
c) EDEN cares only about damage and resources - then why the heck you mentioned your own damage as an argument and started being afraid of rented regions in Ukraine and Russia which were kept to defend mentioned countries from Turkey?.

Guys who whined out loud and were screaming EDEN choose Bulgaria or Turkey are in fact rather small group which if I was up to act emotionally, I'd address with 'There's the door'. Seriously a brother-like attitude: tell the guys who also fought for you and supported you to make a choice between two countries they want in.

At this point I could've tell that Bulgaria is acting all almighty and at the same time like a spoiled brat: it's either our way or no way.
If I'm correct Turkey is accused of acting the same way. HQ aswell.

smrtan tried to act same way and guess that's why my unit is now in Croatia, not in Poland. Which leaves me a bit disappointed, not in Bulgaria as a country, but in Bulgarians that didn't oppose those who are deaf to any reasoning and driven only by their own demands putting their interests before interests of an alliance.

Ok - and as for HQ - I can understand why HQ decided to take the risk - obviously keeping Turkey neutral could work a bit better - they could go for Iran alone or fight against ONE alone. On the other hand we don't know if Israel, Romania would be free today or if TEDEN would be able to... well win.

The trial period was kind of mistake - well since it's not stated in any written law how long it should last it could be voted to last a day. Tho someone earlier decided that it should be 3 months - well - in times of crisis exceptions can be made and it all comes to the fact that the vote of majority decides. And it wasn't solely decided by HQ, but by Country Council - legal representatives of nations.

And as for trial - no, voting 'NO' to full membership never ever cancelled a trial of a country. If it was a case then Israel, Ukraine, Ireland, maybe some other member would never become a member.
And as for the purpose - trials are meant do test: willingness of people to join over time, given the fact that governments changes each month, candidates activity - both their officials and their military assistance also if they are able to be sovereign.

So basically Bulgarian 'NO' meant 'NO' only to Turkish full membership and nothing else - it's not some HQ imagination, but it's how EDEN worked for a long time, and again if EDEN would cancel trial just because of Bulgarian no it would mean that it works under Bulgarian dictate. If Bulgaria wanted to end Turkish trial then they should
a) convince other countries to vote in their favor
b) request voting.

And as for the Bulgarian objections for Turkish full membership: alliance respected them, but was not obliged to kick Turkey out which would put EDEN even lower than ONE, after Turkey helped us, nor EDEN was obliged to greenlight any aggression on Turkey.

Ok - now Turkey - Turkish biggest mistake in the beginning was well, a bit of too much pride combined with arrogance, which added with EDEN willingness to shorten trial resulted in some problems.

Second one was the fact that almost all of EDEN countries forged their bonds during a wartime, which quite often wasn't very good for them. Therefore friendship was built in hard times and over times. That's why they should understand that despite their will and/or friendly acts it will take a time before people start recognizing them as friends.

If we add the fact that some of them stated that this is pure interest and meant only for fighting ONE we have to understand that some people weren't quite happy - Bulgarians having certain arguments against Turkey should be heard and understood without being forced into decisions they aren't ready to make - tho I'm not sure if friendship with Turkey would be ever possible, even over time. Especially given the fact that at some point we could see that no matter what Turkey would do for many of them it wouldn't be enough.

Now as for latest events: Bulgaria is at fault for helping in RWs in Iran and aiding them in direct battle with friendly country. So yes - it was Bulgarians fighting against EDEN - EDEN was just helping a friendly non-member.

Again as a member Bulgaria, despite what some people say, can not take a solo actions that may harm alliance or in any actions without consulting with Country Council. If they wanted regions and if they would as for support of EDEN CPs they would get it - they need those regions, Turkey doesn't.

Turkey in bilateral negotiations can act like they want tho it's stupid and irresponsible. First of all they don't help solving anything, second of all they kinda make the statements coming from ONE justified. And statements coming from ONE being true are kinda aberration.
Their damage doesn't matter - it's not solely about that. And since they were candidate to EDEN they should be aware that it's about cooperation not how strong they are. Same applies for both sides in conflict - they are expected to find a solution not get deeper inside conflict if they truly care about something more that their noses.

And if they would refused to Bulgarian request supported by Country Council then well - it would be a valid reason to evaluate them again and should satisfy Bulgaria, justifying their claims and argumentation.

And no - honestly I don't care what else did they do or how they behaved - it's expected from EDEN members not to act the same way and to solve things in a way which is supported by majority.

And as for suspension of Bulgaria: after a breach of treaty by supporting aggression towards friendly non-member, signing MPP with hostile nation, fighting directly against member in RWs some sort of actions should be done.
And during last two months there was enough of support for hostile actions. And almost total lack of condemning such behaviors coming from government.

And I would support suspension no matter which country would've been in their place.
Simply in an alliance alliance comes first - not country A, B, C or F, but the group. And if somebody is doing wrong things our responsibility is not to blindly support them, but to make them understand that they are wrong.

And honestly given all the logs, comments and articles I can't call Bulgaria innocent. Nor Turkey. Or HQ and CC if they did nothing to solve the situation. But well - as for HQ then: if you didn't like it you should have change it - it's up to CPs. They propose people and they vote.

HQ term is >not
Oh, and as for the treaty since people are quite often using it as an argument: wiki treaty is the old, first one, it was resigned in June/July 2010 - bug alpho or avec about it. Dunno if it was again resigned in 2011.

Anyway: if treaty is valid then CC and HQ actions were de iure right, tho we may disagree with point of their actions. If treaty was void since it was outdated then HQ and CC actions were also justified since without treaty they make decisions by simply voting about anything thay want/need.
Yet again we may disagree on the results, motives and point of taking such actions.

As for the coming referendum in Bulgaria: if you wish to leave then go, if you wish to stay then stay. It's up to you, but honestly leaving cause of this would put you in the same row where Poland is. EDEN itself is more than just CPs, HQ or even number of times country A fought for country B compared with times when country B was wiped for helping D.