Dear Oles/ Дорогой Олес
Melliores
Dear Olec,
I know you have been trying hard to blackmail, insult, belittle, hinder the efforts of the bulgarian government during February. I know because I saw a good part of the logs as an adviser on foreign politics to the same bulgarian government you and your staff have been relentlessly working so hard against. Lets be frank - your last action plainly shows how desperate HQ was in its search for an excuse to get rid of the bulgarian right to veto.
I am not going to contest the decision reached yesterday, be it right or wrong, it is in your right to vote and decide what is good for the alliance. I am on the other hand going to point out, that the manner in which it has been handled has been very poor. Very, very poor Olec.
The timing
Lets put aside the fact, that the 3rd of March is the bulgarian national holiday. You shouldn't care about that and plainly, you showed that you don't. The timing of the meeting was such, that representatives of Canada and China could not attend. Whether that was done on purpose or was a mistake, it is not in my interest. My interest is reaching common grounds so a fair vote could be held, as HQ insisted on so many occasions concerning Turkey.
The reasoning
Again, I am not going to contest the accusations, but the reasoning behind them. Take a look at the charter:
Charter of Eden
I would like to bring your attention to the following paragraphs, under article III:
2.0.3. All important Brotherhood related decisions need to pass a 24h debate period followed by a 24h voting period.
2.0.4. If a Member has failed to cast a vote in the allotted 48 h (24+24) time period it will be considered as Abstaining.
2.0.5. In times of crisis the Supreme Commander has the right to call Emergency Votes Procedures which leave only from a minimum of 3 hours to 8 hours maximum time for debate, conclusions and voting.
Comment:
As far as I know, there was no 24 hour period for debates or at least the bulgairan government was not informed of it. You can find solace in paragraph 2.0.5 but there is no crisis whatsoever after the signing of the ceasefire. If you had proposed such a resolution before the ceasefire, yes, by all means, but not after both countries actually signed one and put an end to hostilities for a week.
And of course, the cited reason why the voting actually took place, under article IX:
2. If a Member feels that another Member has breached the terms outlined in this Treaty and brought prejudice to it's interests and automatically to the interests of the Brotherhood it can file an official complaint to the Command Council.
2.0.1. If such a complaint is filed the High Ranking Officials must take a vote to validate the accusation. The vote is considered to be in favor of the accusation if it meets a majority of over 66% votes [100% is considered to be all the CC members minus the Ranking Official representing the offender] thus confirming the Treaty violation.
2.0.2. The Member that is found guilty of said Treaty violation can choose to either repair the damage caused as decided by the Command Council or accept a Reprimand.
2.0.3. If a Member collects over 2 Reprimands in the course of 30 days the Supreme Commander is obligated to request a vote that terminates the offenders Member status as described in Article II paragraph 3.0.2.
Comment:
Now, correct me if I am wrong, but this was the first voting on actually handing a reprimand to Bulgaria. You can not actually change status of a member without having voted 2 reprimands. Even if you want to reason that a reprimand might be the suspension of rights it clearly violates paragraph 2.0.2 - Bulgaria was never given a choice to either repair or accept the reprimand. They were actually given the reprimand, without any prior notice!
I would even go so far to say that they were reprimanded even before any proposal was given to be voted, when someone banned all bulgarian representatives from official Eden channels. Tell me if I am wrong, because truly there is more than one violation of the treaty done by HQ itself concerning Bulgaria and the proposal.
What I suggest
And would like to state that this is my personal opinion - hold the same vote, giving a 24 hour period for debate, with the newly elected presidents, on the 6th or 7th. Make sure that representatives of China and Canada can participate as well.
If it passes, give Bulgaria a choice - to either repair the damage or accept a reprimand. Most importantly, do not try to cheat your way around the treaty - this is the first reprimand and it can not change the Member's status. Also, the changing of status can come only after two, I repeat, two reprimands have been given. That makes three different motions altogether.
Yes Olec, suspending the Member's rights is actually changing their status. And yes, the treaty clearly states that you can not do it so hastily.
I hope I have been constructive
Thank you for your attention,
Спасибо за внимание,
Melliores
Comments
Олес, признай си, никой няма да те съди заради сексуалната ти ориентация )))
Finally someone said it!
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Надявам се да не е глас в пустяня.
Dear? LOL Who the hell is Oles? I hear the HQ already fell appart anyways. X D
Писах лично съобщение на Олес, ще видим дали има коментар от Щаба. Всеки глас е глас за вас впрочем, нарушават собствената си Харта в опитите си да ни изкарат по-черни, отколкото сме.
не съм чел статията за първи път от както съм в ерепа ама щом е от теб вот
И Олес е женчо ?
Олес е кукла на конци. Всичко задкулисно лъсна на показ. Последните два месеца се водеше мазна антибългарска кампания в ЕДЕН. Лошото в случая е, че и ние не действахме много адекватно. Но дано успеем да се справим с тежкото положение.
Криптос, не само това, но и с Хофа са приятелки в интимен план )))
Браво, Мел! Отлична статия! Сега ще последва носене на вода от 100 кладенеца.
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Нито имам желание,нито стимул да бия за двуличниците от така нареченото БРАТСТВО.Има достатъчно държави които наистина държат на България.Там ще помагам.Уморихме се от този театър.
Браво Мел.
vote
HQ - follow the rules
Voted!!
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Oleс in RL Ukranian, it's all says
o7
So, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the process is as follows:
Bulgaria is penalized. They cannot vote. There is another referendum to accept Turkey as a trial member/full member. They're accepted since Bulgaria cannot vote. EPIC WIN FOR THE BROTHERHOOD o/
украинския капут се нацупи дето псувахме украинците...имат си нови дружки...правят си отбранителен съюз със срани които не са членове на еден. Все едно в РЖ турците да направят отбранителен съюз с Иран, на пук на НАТО. Как я мислите тая работа може ли да стане? Ама щото Олек е е украинска сукка и всичко им е позволено.
НИКЪФ РЕФЕРЕНДУМ. НИКВО ИЗЛИЗАНЕ ОТ ЕДЕН. Направим ли го турците влизат в Еден и курвите от еденското HQ печелят
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Great! Votado!
ПП: Сложи я и на български. Нека все пак и хората, които не владеят английски да прочетат написаното от теб и да го разберат!
Well Bulgaria wasn't important for EDEN so you cant accuse them!
Oles is a sissy
Никой не псува украинците, псуваме си Урсула, кво го превръща като техен национален проблем )))
пляс,пляс педалите,пляс,пляс педалите,украинско колело...
Бе като му видиш фамилията тя казва всичко-Курвичак какво да добавя :Д
Симо президент!
Браво за статията!
Ще има за Овес и тази Кофа
букет от руци с два картофа!
Хахаха, браво Берое : ))))) .
Уй за Олес,
за Хофа - два,
а за Щаба - цялата тава!
РУК за Олесиния
vot
Честит празник на всички българи !!
Добра статия , браво за труда
вот и съб
вотед хардь
Romper, would you like to tell something about that?
I can't believe it!!!
People, you are realy .... demagogs!!!
Brotherhood? Realy?
Shame, Shame, Shame, Shame, Shame, Shame, Shame...
Ай сектир бре, вие ще й казвате на Олечка как да си бръсне триъгълника )))
I agree with Melliores.
м,чи то там друго освен Сибирски Бръснари няма!😁)
I've just read the charter of EDEN again. My understanding is that "status" is only referring to being or not being a member. Nobody has voted for excluding eBulgaria from the alliance. The measures are only temporary. The only thing that can be said about the recent EDEN HQ decision is that such situations are not regulated by the charter of the alliance.
There is, however, paragraph 3.0.1 in the charter: "[Membership termination can be effecte😛] At the request of the Member in question. That Member however is bound by this treaty not to act aggressively against any other Member of EDEN for a 14 day period after request of termination." To some extent, you acted aggressively while you were a member. What sort of reaction did you expect? Cheering?
Also, what do you prefer? A second vote, potentially again for sanctions against eBulgaria, which opens the way for total exclusion, or a period of sanctions? I would hate to see eBulgaria kicked out of the alliance. Nevertheless, after eBulgaria's recent organized damage dealt against EDEN I need to see some sign of good will on the eBulgarian side before I can regain trust that eBulgaria is indeed a member of the alliance with its heart in the right place. Anything else makes eBulgaria an unreliable member of the alliance. I'm not talking about feelings here, and I'm sure it won't be easy for you to get this over, but it's IMO the only way which can work.
I can understand eBulgaria's feelings about the mediatic and diplomatic pressure it has been exposed to latey, and I'm fully compassionate about this. Nevertheless, I can't overlook the facts. eTurkey's accession to EDEN was stopped (although I agree it was postponed for way too much time), but eBulgaria fought against EDEN. That's what it's all about. At least some tiny sign of good will on the side of eBulgaria is needed, IMO, in order to re-establish trust. There's no way around it.
С космите сигурно е по-топло зимата
смийгъл с блокиралия капс как не е дошъл още не знам
Taking decisions even without reading the rules.You worked so hard for Turkey's membership so you haven't time to read them,ya?Poor HQ,inadequate and leading Union to the Edge.
Oles man,don't you think that for the last couple of days you did better destroying friendship in EDEN than ONE couldn't did for the whole year.You want Turkey.Ok.As an ukrainian citizen you achieve what you want,but for that union it's not healthy and the way you're trying shows what a person you are.Except Ukraine in EDEN i see much more countries that won't give a shit for Turkey if that will coast existing of the union.Resign faster,every minute you're there is critical and valuable.Farmville is waiting for you.
Dear Florin Jurcovici:
"That Member however is bound by this treaty not to act aggressively against any other Member of EDEN"
"any other Member of EDEN"
"Member of EDEN"
"Member"
Turkey wasn't a member. kthxbye
Florin Jurcovici
Are you realy so stupid? Who is the Member and who is the second Member?
EDEN lost all battles at the time to fight against BG!!!
They knew about our plane to declare Iran for NE later, but nevetherless EDEN fought against us.
It is so simple. Are you realy so blind???!!!
Unbelievable!!!
Oles is a sissy
Florin as a romanian citizen you don't remember how looks like BG avatars when you were "travelling" in ABC,or when same avatars won RW in Romania.You're reading as a devil bible rules.Sorry,but you can't find enough excuses for HQ decisions,and i think it is interesting your last night emergency request.Go on.And don't blame us for what we are doing.Take a look at you first.
Do you know that purple,i mean deep purple is a great band.When i try to look the map of the world i feel that is better to listen Purple than Beatles " yellow submarine".
В миналия парламент разглеждахме договора на ЕДЕН, но реално не може да бъде приложен за каквото и да е, тъй като е изтекъл от много време.
Florin Jurcovici Bulgaria has never fought against EDEN so far, otherwise EDEN would have felt it. If you are trying to say that the little RW in Iran and the following Turkey-Iran battle was fighting against EDEN, I would say the opposit, that it was EDEN who fought against Bulgaria. Bulgaria clearly said 2 months ago "NO" to Turkey membership in EDEN, we have no MPP with them or other arrangements what so ever. So as far as we are concerned they are not a part of EDEN and we can fight we them to our hearts content (only not directly just from fear of losing the MPPs with our "oh so thrustworthy brothers") and you have no right to interfere on their side. And let me tell you that if there was only one in EDEN HQ with real strategic thinking or just an ounce of brain they would have stayed aside of this battle and let Bulgaria win a small victory and couple of resourses, and after that the things would have calmed down naturally. Yes, probably Bulgaria would have still denied MPP and full membership to Turkey but let's not kid ourself they have allready all the benefiths from the alliance and the lack of MPP with us is of no importance and in the end of the day you would've had your dream come true both Bulgarian and Turkish damage. Unfortunately EDEN HQ right now is run by IDIOTS.