Farewell NaN, goodbye democracy
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by Paul J Keating
This article is written in my capacity as a private citizen, I have not consulted with my party to determine the members’ opinions yet however I cannot in good conscience leave this issue to rest.
About a day ago our Country President proposed a law to leave our current alliance, NaN. Personally I was surprised. There had been a discussion thread in senate forum, and a few threads in the public gallery where a few people were debating the relative merits of this, but as far as I could see no formal proposal had been made, and here we are suddenly on the cusp of leaving an alliance?
I don’t wish to make any comment on whether leaving NaN is a good or bad idea, that is not the point of this article. My issue is that there was no public consultation, no real debate, no formal proposal and clearly no intention of generating any kind of consensus. The democratic process and eAus legislative framework was completely ignored in this move.
In the APP CP Primaries Molly Jo made the following statement when questioned about her position on NaN:
This turn of events clearly flies in the face of Molly Jo’s commitment prior to becoming CP. No integrity, no leading by example.
And who is responsible for ensuring senate protocols are followed? The speaker, Tim_Holtz who has been the most strident proponent of leaving NaN. When I expressed my concern at potential conflict of interest this was the answer I got:
So where’s the compartmentalising of roles when you’ve allowed an in-game proposal to go ahead without discussion, debate or any hint of respect for process? When you did nothing to alert senate to vote ‘no’ to an illegal proposal? When you considered the best punishment to impose a few lulzy forum penalty points which is a completely inappropriate form of punishment unrelated to our process? The speaker should be the first in line to sanction such an obvious breach on an issue of such magnitude and call for impeachment.
No wonder the IG Sir_c0nstant has resigned in disgust with the comment:
“I find the position is now untenable when the executive and senate branches of government can not act with due diligence within the framework of the law”
Whether or not this is a good idea, whether or not NaN is good for us, the day we accept that the people in power can make arbitrary decisions of such magnitude without any kind of mandate or public consultation is the day democracy dies. I am not an expert in foreign affairs or military matters but those in power expect me and you to follow orders and fight hard in wars for our country. The least we deserve is a little respect and maybe a few scraps of information.
I am disgusted by the contempt with which the eAus community has been treated.
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Hmm. Good article, PJK.
Leaving NaN is stupid, dissarming our D4 fighters is stupid, this administration sucks
"dissarming our D4 fighters is stupid" What are you talking about?
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Like it matters the ADF will be gone by weeks end and we will soon be the bitch of the bitch of another euro centric alliance for the little glimmer of in 4 years time we will have our nation whole for a whole 8 months.
how about you get some facts and stop believing the Snake Oil sellers Eyebrows.
Larni how is it not a fact she stated in her bid for Cp she wanted to reduce the ADF down to div 1 and 2 and force everyone else to join another MU and at this point she has made good on one of her two promises so I am inclined to believe she will fallow though with the second if you still say that I am lying here is a link to her article.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-mojo4cp-policy-for-your-consideration-2271975/1/20
Sounds like you enjoy being wiped... good luck playing the game like also while trying to grow Australia. We have the potential to grow but some of you would rather stay how it is...
Yes but has that happened? ADF had lots of money stashed away. Venja (God of all MoF's) Told them to use that. Molly Jo agreed. No ADF Soldier has gone without.
Hood this is a war game not a political or economic game people will always try to invade us people will always fight that is the nature of the game if you don't like that idea then go play hello kitty but I will always fight for my friends and my nation.
North Korstralia
This article was well thought out, well written and very much to the point.
Voted hard.
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So wait... who slept with who's mother?
http://www.roubaixinteractive.com/PlayGround/Binary_Conversion/Binary_to_Text.asp
... Or just a translating tool lol 😉
Does the comment "Welcome to CoT and with no MPPs" ring a bell? Who do you think did that to Australia? Shouldn't be too hard to Guess, same crap, different alliances, same people.
Poland are already signed on. Others are coming.
You realize MPPs are in the process right?
A good article Paul. And it is spot on regarding critically important issues
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I am totally unsurprised to see Tim Holtz's name appearing in all this. But Molly Jo, : ( Looks like what people were saying about your lack of experience is right after all.
Unless of course you are role playing a born again Eva Peron?
Australia is or should be a democracy where rule of law should be respected.
MoJo is just jumping through the hoops for the people who maneuvered her into the CP role like a good little b***h doggy.
Pro Tip: Grow up.
Who are you again? Molly Jo is at least a name known.
girl got played.
girl had no clue nor experience going in.
Na AC, when Ranger, Scottty and I are on the same side of the fence you gotta think that maybe, just maybe it had merit. Of course, expected the whinging from Lany, its all she can do after all.
It may well have been the right decision, but the way it was carried out was not right
The senator majority asked the CP to do a vote. She did or it wouldn't have passed.
The WHOLE senate majority OF WAIT FOR IT --- 10! Containing again wait for it, nearly all Senators in the CABINET! Great majority, impartiality and Senates roll of Checking the Executive and doing what the people want rather than playing their own little power trip games.
Anyway, still the same answer: "Welcome to CoT, a Treaty with Chile that will ultimately fail and of course we have to get rid of all our MPPs". Who do you think did that to Australia? Shouldn't be too hard to Guess, same crap, different alliances, same people, exactly the same process used. And we all know how well the Chile Treaty, No MPPs and joining CoT went don't we : )
Vote passed 8-1. Or do you really think a CP should ignore the will of the senate elected by the people?
A Senate of 10, most of which are in the Executive, does not a will of the people make Larni. A Senate of 10 with NONE of the Senators in the Executive would certainly represent a reasonable will of the people. HELL, even the Speaker is a senior member of the Cabinet.
Again, great impartiality 🙂
If wwe sign anything with Chile I am emigrating.
I'm not saying this is ALL Molly Jo's fault, she had a choice and decided to pull the trigger. There are checks in place to prevent avoidance of due process but nobody decided to invoke them (or more accurately the speaker and senate decided not to invoke them). When the IG questions this the laws are ridiculed by members of congress and executive.
Its not Molly's fault at all. Senate made a group decision. this was done outside the forum, as XG has been made well aware, the forums are not confidential so this kind of debate simply cannot happen there. There was a debate, it lasted 24 hours. Yobbo was the only one opposed. The CP cannot and should not go against the will of the senate.
yobbo wasnt opposed, he voted in favour of leaving NaN
yeah but he objected, asked for clarification from the UK CP about a problem. You (Tim) provided a log, and Yobbo changed his vote. If that is not a debate I dunno what is.
Apart from being an obvious breach of the senate standing orders policy and government secrets act a closed-door discussion is just not good enough for a decision of this magnitude. There was no public mandate for this and no opportunity for the people who fight hard every day for this country to have any input.
Senate Sensitive section is is private, it can't be seen by general public, or was it done on the "new" secret Australian forums?
... lolololololol ...
for something like this why would it be secret anyway, if the Senate TRULY represented the "will" of the people, then it would have had the balls to make it open and public for all Australians to have a say, but as usual, the elitists are replaced by new elitists still doing their backroom deals and claiming it is the new revolution and the best thing for the people.
It was done in an in game mass message and it wasn't until the result was assured that they asked Molly Jo to begin the vote. XG you have been told time and time again about the security risk Binda is. IF Senate take matters like this elsewhere to reach a consensus you have nobody to blame but yourself.
Paul this would have been done in Senate Secret area on the forums anyway.
Lani: " It was done in an in game mass message and it wasn't until the result was assured that they asked Molly Jo to begin the vote. XG you have been told time and time again about the security risk Binda is. IF Senate take matters like this elsewhere to reach a consensus you have nobody to blame but yourself."
For something this important, if it was TRULY FOR THE PEOPLE as you all claim, why was it done as a backroom deal instead of out in the open and for the public as a whole? The Senate and Cabinet can claim it was "democratic" all it likes, but if it was TRULY Democratic, it would have been done openly and publicly, especially when pretty much every Senator is in the Executive, especially the Speaker. Like I said, so much for Separation of powers. 🙂
You can all argue "democratic' till the cows come home, but the fact that it was all kept secret, out of the public eye, and by Senators compromised by being in the executive and completely avoiding the separation of powers issue means it wasn't for the WILL of the People, it was done by the new Self Serving Elitists of the ARP.
Was it not Senate who voted to join NaN in the first place? You can't have one and then discount the other.
there was no public vote to join NaN, so why does there need to be one to leave?
Kiddies, there may not have been a public vote to join NaN, but the WHOLE process was at least discussed, done and created IN THE PUBLIC EYE, not behind closed doors that only the new (Now ARP) Revolutionary Elitists have created.
Honestly, the same crap was done with the Chile Treaty and the Join CoT brigade. The problem is, the SAME people were involved in that as were involved in this secret backroom deal as well. And guess what, the same crap will happen again, when TWO/ACT don't meet your little expectations of constantly protecting us you will do another back door deal to leave that as well.
I objected publicly over NaN and the process taken and the nations allowed to join before its foundations were even set.
Again XG you can't play both sides of the fence for convenience.
oh wait but because I (and many others) refuse to be associated with the forums our voices don't matter?