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China has turned down MMPs with the US and Indo in the last 6 days. Also Indo had main campaign set to fight for Serbia today.

Foreign Affairs - "NaN MPPs are nice, but most NaN nations are not involved in MPP wars, so they do us no good to MPP them. While we will still have representation in the alliance, we will be spending our MPP budget on Pro TWO MPPs. We need to make moves for our future as a nation, not just alliance moves, I expect most NaN leadership to understand this, and if they don't that will be saddening, and we may have to move on, but that will be because the alliance doesn't understand our Pro TWO MPPs, not because of any action to just straight out leave on my part."

I got lost in the commas - Would you leave NAN if they did not want us to MPP TWO?

If the NaN tries to dictate to us who we can and can not MPP, then leaving might be the only option, but otherwise I'd prefer not too.

Would you pick TWO over NAN?

I don't see that as a problem that would arise, as most TWO priorities would be against CoT Nations, and not NaN nations.

But if they are not? NaN or TWO?

Pakistan did it, why can not australia? Just asking.

NaN has no restrictions on MPPs -- its restrictions are on who you allow to border fellow NaN members specifically if the aim is to have them conquered.

I love Molly

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Good Luck Molly!

Good luck Molly, but you lost my vote.

yes Molly I have to agree with Xavier Griffith. I can't support an abandonment of South Africa and Australia's alliance. u said "If the NaN tries to dictate to us who we can and can not MPP, then leaving might be the only option" sealed it for me. very good luck for your election but i hope u understand i can't support anything less than 100% dedication to NAN.

100% dedicated to NaN is 100% dedicated to months more of occupation.

i read the helpful information you provided it was appreciated but as we agreed there were too many factors that could go wrong and i don't want to see Australia debt ridden for the thanks of it. providing of course we do advance with TWO faction and after asking many times for details that would allow me to keep an open mind there has been no explanation. i wish your party well for the election Daenerys very good luck

100% Dedication to TWO will leave us in the same boat Larni. Your smarter than that and know damn well that TWO may help us free our regions but WE can not hold them without further damage support coming from TWO. That is Damage that TWO can't waste because they are busy fighting bigger wars where that damage coming to help us would be needed. If we joined TWO, they would be better off leaving us as we are until they can concentrate officially in our area against Chile and Indo.

Where does it say 100% dedication to TWO? You're scaremongering XG and should know better.

and just reread, you fail to grasp how to actually win wars XG... you don't win by letting your enemies have constant and unlimited resources to battle you with.

"Daenerys Stormborn Targaryen 100% dedicated to NaN is 100% dedicated to months more of occupation. " You did say this right? So if 100% dedication to NaN will leave us in this boat, then 100% Dedication TWO will leave us in the same boat, Unless TWO is Stupid, which after some of the HQ members I have spoken to I very much doubt.

I'm not scaremongering, I understand the tactical ramifications for both alliances, something I know you certainly know and understand, I have seen you in action regarding Military tactics and politics.

Still waiting for you to quote the "100% dedication to TWO" line you keep using. A few MPP's with TWO is what was said. You want to try and twist that to 100% is scaremongering XG.

Larni I didn't say anything about 100% Dedication to TWO in my original post here, YOU raised the idea of 100% dedication to NaN, so either your suggesting we don't give 100% dedication to NaN and leave and give it to TWO instead or we still give 100% Dedication to NaN and just sign a few TWO MPPs. Do I have a problem with Australia signing a few MPPs with TWO members? No, I never said I did.

in your original post no you didnt XG, but you were the one who said anything about 100% dedication to TWO, not us, dont try to worm your way out of that.

furthermore we WILL NOT be abandoning South Africa, and we never will. what we dont like is the dead weight that has managed to enter NaN without the Australian populace getting a say in. remove everyone except Cyprus, South Africa and Australia and NaN will be the better for it.

SO basically you want us to be like TWO and CoT. Lovely concept Tim

i like having a country XG, do you?

instead of worrying about what people think of us we should be working to actually have our lands, i know which i prefer, moralistic bullcrap gets us nowhere.

Romania left EDEN and became proTWO. are we going to shun them? hell no, we could consider an MPP. its the same with Aus, noone cares about some moralistic high ground, its a game in which the purpose is to be successful, atm we arent being, that needs to change in whatever way possible

Got to remember nobody voted to join NaN, it was forced onto us by the powers that be. Most of the fighting force are opposed to it entirely. They would much prefer their damage actually mean something in the big picture. If NaN refuse to take the Pro TWO route then so be it. Can't force the entire nation to follow the ambition of a handful of people.

Scrapping 99% of the ADF is a poor idea which has been looked at before. The MU's can't afford to supply all of our fighters, I have that from Henry himself among others. Warcrew is only breaking even because Scotty buys gold with RL cash. That isn't something we can base a new policy around. It's not sustainable.

oh more scaremongering. How about people present real facts? if 99% of the ADF are the 12 members it affects then the ADF needs to be killed off and something new should replace it to handle the 1% of new players....

How about some actual facts? Currently the ADF has 54 members, 3 of which are the ones that Molly plans to keep while tossing out the rest.

So... ADF has 3 players in D1 and D2? Nice to see you managing to keep that player retention going. Molly's plan will see all new players pass through ADF under a new player friendly Marshal. Obviously you will no longer have influence there. 3 new players is a clear sign of your failures in that position.

I did NOT say scrapping the ADF was the plan, reorganizing where the ADF spends it money is what I believe I said. And frankly nothing is set in stone on the policy of ADF reorganization.

It says I BELIEVE, not I WILL ABSOLUTELY DO THIS with out discussion.

Molly Jo i've noticed this can you state anything specific if elected? i'm only asking because you're asking the public to support your manifesto and as is it doesn't really commit to anything. Tim Holtz believes in ZA's friendship but we're not electing Tim that decision is yours to make. you have said "we will be spending our MPP budget on Pro TWO MPPs" so i'm asking will you take back this statement or are you confirming South Africa won't play a major part in your foreign agenda?

ADF stuff is ideas going forward, as for South Africa, I don't consider them solely NaN, they are our friends, and that is an Auto Renew MPP in any month.

When has South Africa been ignored by eAus?

If you have been playing this game for over a year and still need help with supplies you are doing wrong.

Before you do anything with the ADF I suggest that you look at the AAFA which has outligned the responsibilities of the ADF versus the DoD (located here http://auserepublik.com/index.php?topic=21401.0). Another thing that I'm not sure you understand is that #brostralia is a DoD channel that supplies weapons to aussies and mercenaries only when we chose to open supplies, its not open all the time. Also it has nothing to do with the ADF, although I keep hearing people saying otherwise.

"keep #Brostralia running smoothly during big battles."
Not trying to sound short with you Val, but it says right there Big Battles, and just I'm typing with one hand.

You probably should have quote the whole sentence their "But I believe the >>>> could still be useful, they could supply up tier fighters with moving funds, or they could supply the MUs with funds for big battles, and of course keep #Brostralia running smoothly during big battles."

You definitely said the ADF and that sentence came from your ADF section. Like I said, ADF has nothing to do with brostralia.

Um.... Val seems to misunderstand a lot about MoD and ADF.... Who decides when supplies are open in Brostralia? Oh I know the MoD..... who decides which battles for the ADF to focus on? I know the MoD.... Val whoever trained you to be MoD failed miserably.

The ADF section is apart of the Defense section, and as long as MoD picks the ADF Marshall as I've heard MoD does, the ADF should be considered apart of that Ministry.

Larni you obviously haven't read the AAFA or talked to the people who actually wrote it, so I'm sure you know exactly how the Australia DoD works 😉

Molly: The ADF is apart of the DoD but it has nothing to do with supplying battles on #brostralia and hiring mercenaries for battles. The Marshal is selected by the MoD and approved by the CP. The marshal's duty is to run the ADF, which is not just an MU but actually a program as well which supplies people in the ADF MU as well as people who sign up for the ADF who are in other MUs.

Val that's the same nonsense as you claiming the ADF has a separate budget to the DoD.... but when budgets are submitted ADF comes under DoD budget. The MoD oversees ADF and is responsible for making sure ADF needs are met. Usually MoD and ADF Marshal do it but make no mistake who the top dog is. MoD can fire the ADF Marshal..... Claiming the ADF and DoD are separate entities is just wrong.

Its also the MoD who decides to turn on supplies in Brostralia.

The ADF has always had a separate budget to the DoD. The two entities spend their budget on separate things. The ADF spends on the Australian Defence Force (not on the ADF MU, which doesn't really need to exist at thist time), and the DoD spend on #brostralia to turn battles.

yep and irules Minister of Finance resigned in protest because of the ADF. GOOD WORK

Actually Binda, MoD puts in the budget including ADF, I've done it twice as MoD and oversaw it twice as CP. Perhaps you have a new system.... As Tim has pointed out, the best Minister of Finance eAus has ever had resigned over the present situation in the ADF.

If you'll check the last several months budget it is clear what is allocated to the ADF versus what is for DoD.