ePeru - facts and myths
Ariakis
Hello fellow US citizens. The reason, why I've decided to publish this in United States is that you have quite a large population - and I think that large audience will be helpful in clearing up some things concerning ePeru. Besides, from what I've noticed you like long articles.
There are few factors that have to been discussed concerning the pTO of ePeru and the role we've played there:
1. pTO in general
2. The 'thievery' thing
3. eArgentina and EDEN factors
4. Future of ePeru
1. pTO in general
I've heard many times before how pTO is wrong, bad, illegal - however: game mechanics allow it. Also the game rules do not forbid those kind of actions! Of course we all know that there are few types of pTO: typical one done for money, 'official' being a part of larger strategy during war, and the last one which includes many reasons for doing so besides those two mentioned before.
Here in eRepublik we cannot forget about the real-world, of who we are, where we are living. It's a massive country vs country game where hostilities and friendships taken from RL often become a major factor which dictates relations between countries. But there are also hostile or frielndly relations which do not have any foundations taken from RL.
In eRepublik we are here to create new reality - the new world, and even if we start in our RL-home countries we are not forced to stay there and we can change our virtual lives. Here we can be a citizens of any eCountry.
If we decide that we want to be for example citizens of eJapan or eMali we are free to do so. And after we reach this country, apply for citizenship and get it we should be free to fully participate in any activities concerning this particular country. Even if IRL we live somewhere else. Because it is not a real world - it's an e-world.
2. The 'thievery' thing
We, the Poles from GROM/PMTF/POW/ePoland were quite often called thieves, robbers, rouge groups. As for rouge groups - many of us are members of private military units - therefore we are not binded by ePolish MoD or EDEN orders as we are not a part of official army. Even so, we always fought against PEACE GC, we fought for our allies, side by side with soldiers from other countries - during hard times of loses and during times of victory.
It is also true that the pTO of eMexico and eBolivia some months ago was done by some members from mentioned groups. During III eWW we also tried to pTO Brasil. Those actions probably are the reasons why they hate us so much.
But the ePeru was different - a new country with high resources and almost no native population was a perfect spot to set up a 'colony', especially that many of us were in general tired and disgusted by the politics in ePoland. That's why we decided that we'll become ePeruvians. Citizens of virtual Peru in eRepublik world.
We taken this step when the citizenship module was introduced. However we weren't alone there. There were some Peruvians, there were many Argentinians, some Spaniards, Americans, Brasilians - we can easily say that the population of ePeru was made mostly by rl Poles, Chinesee, and South-Americans.
We started to congress for the first time in August. Then in September, October, November. For the first time we ran for presidency in November. Even though we could do so earlier. I suppose there wouldn't be any problems in acquiring presidency. Yet still we did not. We were supporting Wally Wilson in October - American who claims that he is the last true president of ePeru. In August we were voting for Chisholm - another American, in order to stop pro-PEACE candidate Jockey, who is Argentinian. Later in September he was the only candidate and therefore he won.
What the most hilarious thing in the whole case of robbery is that during first two months we've never tried to donate any money or to issue any money for us. We followed the rest of the congressmen and were proposing donations to the official organizations.
You can check this by checking administration in ePeru starting somewhere at pages 25-17. You would find two organizations after checking:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/organization/1490346
http://www.erepublik.com/en/organization/1895119
Both of them were hacked or should I say "hacked"? Which cost over 3k gold both in PENs and gold. It was never widely discussed in press, and none of this org is banned, there is low possibility that the case was reported to admins by people who were responsible - however I ca not be sure what the did after the first hack.
It is well known what was done after the second hacking - we've decided that it is enough. Presidents impeachment followed that decision, aswell as a end of cooperation with those who are saying that are representatives of Peru and who were not trustworthy. (I should remind that it is quite easy to pretend that one is real Peruvian, especially if someone knows Spanish).
In order to keep money safe and to pay for the help delivered by many citizens many donations were proposed, resulting in transferring large sums of PEN to accounts of GROM and PMTF. It could be enough to call us thieves if not one fact: all of this PENs are no more. They were spent for defending ePeru from eArgentina and eBrasil invasion and for independence war. And what is even more hilarious: we had to sacrifice our own resources, gold and money - in fact this whole 'thievery thing' we are being accussed ended not with enormous profits but with something opposite.
Now tell me what thief is giving money for someone who he is supposed to rob? Tell me why we've decided to defend ePeru and to spent our own money? Is this a way of thief?
3. eArgentina and EDEN factors
In this article: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-eden-changes-in-eden-poland--1052828/1/20 you can find (or at least you should) a comment made by Gabriel Lavanche:
"And as I said earlier. I have never eaten my word and neither I did this time. By the way we gave Argentina word that they will get Great Andes 4 months ago already. Again I kept my word."
You may ask why? eArgentina a post-Atlantis and PEACE country then was an enemy. It is only my assumption but: ex-Atlantis+EDEN liking as they said+with very good relations with eSpain+the most known erep double agent as EDEN SC = Hey, they're friends spying PEACE for us.
But it is only something I suspect. How peacefull and neutral eArgentina is we've seen when they were paying Indo, Hun and Serb tanks during RWs in ePeru. We've could also see their army helping Brasil in attack on ePeru during last invasion on eCroatia. Yup - the same eBrasil who they were going to oppose with the high iron. The same PEACE-bully in the region Brasil which they are now wanting to use in order of regaining high iron!
Sounds funny, ain't it?
There were also other reasons for invasion on ePeru - getting rid of Polish thieves and the true ePeru for real Peruvians. Well - as I said - Peruvian populations in eRep is small, and I suppose after getting rid of us, they'd be TOed once again - but by their nice and friendly ALA-brothers. They can pretend the are rl Peruvians and they were there before - and the precious high iron is just to precious to be left alone.
But... why this whole free-ePeru-idea is just a propaganda? Because citizenships are not being deleted or reseted because of invasion. Because eSpain brothers are also very friendly with exPEACE members - Indonesia and Hungary - they even paid them for tanking, and many from the ex-PEACE countries came to help in invasion. eArgentina even change their taxes for iron when they aquired Great Andes. They helped eBrasil in conquering rest of ePeru when we were fighting in Croatia. In the press comments they were saying that the will defend GA till death.
Someone who is just helping another brother-country against TO is doing so? Rather not.
4. Future of ePeru
Future is not so bright but for sure it's brighter than a week ago. Three of ePeru orginal regions were restored, at the moment we have to gather money: for MPPs (we tried with US but we were rejected) in order to supply population with fights, we have to build up hospital, and we have to prepare for the war - as it is almost certain that eArgentinians won't stop in their quest for high iron.
And as for other things: we cannot stop anyone from coming to Peru and starting a company, looking for a job or for citizenship. In fact it would be great if immigrants come. We really want this country to grow in strenght and to develop - in fact after we came there we invested our own money since the country income and growth was near 0. With many foreigners, and many multifarms and low native and active population.
We want this country to be opened for our allies and for those who are willing to help it in developing and becoming a major player in eSouth America. Why? Because in the terms of the game we are ePeruvians, even if in real life we're coming from another country. We've won in democratic elections, obeying the game rules, with no multi accounting like some of our opponents.
We've proven that we care about this country by fighting for it. And certainly we are not going to abandoned ePeru and let it be torn apart by neighbors - as some of 'patriots' sitting now in eArgentina or eBrasil did.
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Comments
FIRST
nice article
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/see-this-v-s--1069185/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/see-[..]1/20
PLEASE VOTE!!!
YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS!!!
Vote for truth
esto es basuraa fuera ladrones largense del Perú, el Perú tiene suficiente gente peruana asi k no los necesitamos no nos sigan robando esto demuestra la falta de calidad humana social y personal k son
Now in english "k"?
+1
Cool story bro
Pobre mi país. Tomado por unos polacos mentirosos especialistas en hacer campaña de desinformación para quedar como victimas/salvadores.
My poor country. Taken by some Polish specialists lying disinformation campaign to remain as victims / rescuers.
Adrian Callaghan - I see, you are a member of theocracy now, you know that they are a pTO as well?
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I was there also and I know what happened
😉
indignante.. simplemente indignante.. espero q la opinion mundial no sea tan ingenua como para creer semejante sarta de mentiras. el dinero y oro q ha pasado dsd Peru a Polonia es innegable, Argentina nos esta ayudando a los verdaderos peruanos (los verdaderos peruanos nos conocemos unos a otros de decenas d otros juegos)
this is outrageous, I sincerely hope people around the world don't buy this bunch of lies. money and gold HAVE been transfered from Peru to Poland the entire time they have had the power to do so. Argentina is helping us, the real peruvians (we real peruvians know each other from a lot of other browser games)
Poland lies, that's the truth.. we'll get even tho.. trust me on that one
Slaver, but we don¿t lie about that like you. 😉
In Bolivia, in Mexico, in Chile too. All South American countries have suffered the abuse of the great countries like Poland and the admins not interested. It's a "vergüenza" that all you support the lies of PMTF
signing a mpp with a band of thieves that won elections with the help of a "higher power" (200 real ePeruvians votes anuled in the last 15 minutes of the election, 3 eperuvian congressmen banned the very same day giving the polish thieves congress mayority), will ruin eUSA reputation. Polish TO'vers made donations of 100 gold and 20k PEN to PMTF and GROM almost on a daily basis, ruining our economy and forcing to ask for international help against this people. They say EDEN didnt help them, that they only were independent groups, but there were the croatian and romanian tanks to help to secure their precious treasure... this was an eye opener that showed all the world how the so called "defensive" alliance EDEN was behins this all the time. Dont support them... dont ruin eUSA reputation signing a mpp with these robbers
@Mario Fung ... I love this part of your comment "😢200 real ePeruvians votes anuled in the last 15 minutes of the election, 3 eperuvian congressmen banned the very same day giving the polish thieves congress mayority)"
They all were nice multi accounts 😉
And how the f*** donating to other org than normally ruined economy? Think before you write...
Wybrałeś złe miejsce do publikacji tego artykułu
1) wiekszość hamburgerów tego i tak nie przeczyta
2) jeżeli nawet przeczyta - to nie zrozumie
3) jeżeli mimo wszystko zrozumie - mentalność hamburgera, której nieprzekraczalną granicą jest czubek własnego nosa odrzuci wszystkie argumenty.
To są zakochani w sobie egoiści, którzy nauczyli się wykorzystywać wszystkich dla realizacji własnych interesów nie dając nic w zamian - tak w RL jak i w erepie.
Do tej pory popełniłem w erepie tylko jeden błąd - broniłem tych dupków przed PEACE zamiast pomóc wymazać ich na zawsze z mapy 😛
/johnson_i
@Biglep.. im not sure if you are one of the leaders of these band of robbers, or just a pawn, the truth is that you are in ePeru for that.. to rob ePeru. I just want to say again: eUSA, dont sign a mpp with these people that will ruin your reputation.
"200 real ePeruvians votes anuled in the last 15 minutes of the election, 3 eperuvian congressmen banned the very same day giving the polish thieves congress mayority)"
Admin was baned "Peruvian" multiple accounts and their owners 😉
Yeah, leave Peru for Peruvians. Both of them.
Yes, that's sarcasm.
And I still can't see how being conquered by Argentina helps Peru.
Argentina and Peru always had good relations in RL, the ones that increased after 1982, during the Falkalnd War (Malvinas for us) because Peru was the only South American country that sent airplanes (mirages 2000) and missiles (it was a peruvian exocet the one that sank the HMS Sheffield) to help Argentina. Thats something that they never forgot and that they always comment with us, if they say they will restore our territories we believe it.
for this if that is the height, and a very outrageous now they are the abused victims, when they stopped at zero Peruvian state coffers and took all the pen, if they are masters at disinformation, but that opinion world is naive and not very smart, in eperu if many people truly Peruvian and eager to move ahead on eperu.
I am really very angry with this big lie. total repudiation for all these lies
pues esto si que es el colmo,y ademas muy indignante ahora ellos son las victimas los abusados , cuando dejaron en cero las arcas del estado peruano y se llevaron todos los pen , si que son unos maestros en la desinformacion, pero se que la opinion mundial no es ingenua y es muy inteligente , en eperu si hay mucha gente verdaderamente peruana y con ganas de sacar adelante el eperu.
realmente estoy muy indignado con esta gran mentira . repudio total para todas estas mentiras
"My poor country. Taken by some Polish specialists lying disinformation campaign to remain as victims / rescuers."
And where did I say that we came there to rescue someone? Or that we are the victims?
I've only said that ePeru was a perfect spot to set up a colony - as the Theocrats are doing. Did I lie about irl nationality of ePeru presidents? Did I deny that the eMexico and eBolivia was pTOed for money? Or did I lie about massive multiaccounting that took place during elections which can be verified by admins?
I'm trying to make some things clear: it wasn;t us who either hacked either simply robbed ePeru National Banks, which was one of the main reason why stopped being nice - besides wasn't it you Adrian who said that we've proven we are not trustworthy after impeachment of Wally Wilson? So does it mean that before you trusted us?
Did we try during those two months to take a single PEN from national treasury? We were cooperating, we didn't try to do some sabotage - like not letting ePeru in joining TWs.
All we did after another mysterious disappearing of money that it is enough of letting someone steal those money. And that it is better to use them to defend ePeru against those, who are in our eyes responsible for previous thievery.
And btw. please do the BabyBoom in Peru - gather players, run for the congress, and win back the country in democratic elections.
We cannot stop you from doing this - and for sure it would end up with a great outcome for ePeru.
But please, use your own people - not some foreigners who speak Spanish and can pretend that they're rl Peruvians. 😉 Or at least use RL people.
dont worry, we'll see which is the fastest way to expectorate all of you from eperu and we will go in that way.
Robosde PMTF
http://www.erepublik.com/es/Peru/law/19404" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/es/Peru/law/194[..]19404 66Gold a PMTF presentado por Slaver
http://www.erepublik.com/en/Peru/law/18919" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/Peru/law/189[..]18919 3650PEN a PMTF presentado por Slaver
http://www.erepublik.com/en/Peru/law/18543" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/Peru/law/185[..]18543 980USD a PMTF presentado por Sameli Injuriamus
http://www.erepublik.com/en/Peru/law/18483" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/Peru/law/184[..]18483 5800PEN a PMTF presentado por Aryss
http://www.erepublik.com/en/Peru/law/18366" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/Peru/law/183[..]8366
http://www.erepublik.com/en/Peru/law/18224" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/Peru/law/182[..]8224
http://www.erepublik.com/en/Peru/law/18085" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/Peru/law/180[..]8085
http://www.erepublik.com/en/Peru/law/18039" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/Peru/law/180[..]8039
http://www.erepublik.com/en/Peru/law/17986" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/Peru/law/179[..]7986
http://www.erepublik.com/es/Peru/law/17878" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/es/Peru/law/178[..]7878
http://www.erepublik.com/es/Peru/law/16774" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/es/Peru/law/167[..]6774
Still our citizenships won't be reseted so one way or another you'll have to live with us. 😛
@AuPA try learn reading ;x
"n order to keep money safe and to pay for the help delivered by many citizens many donations were proposed, resulting in transferring large sums of PEN to accounts of GROM and PMTF. It could be enough to call us thieves if not one fact: all of this PENs are no more. They were spent for defending ePeru from eArgentina and eBrasil invasion and for independence war."
And now we're spending for hospital and training wars ...
good luck Peru
Still our citizenships won't be reseted so one way or another you'll have to live with us. 😛
we are not xenophobics, we dont have any problem living with you.. we have problem with you stealing our gold and money.
Long live PHOENIX!
ePeru sold iron to eUSA during WW. We helped you and now you pay us helping the Polish TOers with an MPP.
Shame on USA! Shame on EDEN!
Best article I've seen from GROM about the situation. This one isn't just propaganda and attempts to sour relations between the US and Poland there are actually some decent points. It appears the US will be signing an MPP with Peru, so I guess we're on board to help you hold that colony. Another source of high iron for EDEN would be a good thing, I hope we don't loose prestige for supporting a PTO government though.
polish thieves stop stealing peru. you got enough of it . now let us to live
F**k u B***hs
I see my name!
@ROSSO: are you new in this not?, you are a good trained pet, they already taught you to steal the POLISH PTO .. even not... Slaver is a good thieving teacher ... it closes the mouth when you do not know of anything..
Si, nos gustan los articulos muy grandes, y me encanta este articulo 🙂
Lt. Scheisskopf
http://www.erepublik.com/en/newspaper/stars-and-stripes-journal-191155/1" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/newspaper/st[..]155/1
Frescos!!!!
Vuélvanse por donde vinieron! ePeru para los Peruanos!
POLAND=TO=THIEF=FAKE
No jodan ahora resulta q somos nosotros los malos, POLACOS VAYANSE A LA ·"$·"$·&%%$&·"$&q uot;#@@4€3 si entienden verdad???
There is now q fuck are we the bad guys, move down to the ·"$·"$·&%%$&·"$&q uot;#@POLES 4 € 3 if they understand it???
hahaha this guy is amazing, such a bunch of crap
Obviously American people is smart enough to realize who are the robbers here. But this is not done, get ready we will beat you and recover our country
si claro si robaron tanto en tan poco tiempo a cualquiera le convendria luchar por el peru porque si siguen al mando lo vuelven a robar muy facilmente en poco tiempo, y ahora estos polacos se hacen pasar por querer ayudar al peru, NO ME JOADN TROLAKOS!!!!!
Bunch of lies.
Private Polish organizations tried to take over Peru for their own benefit ONLY, outside EDEN´s policy. don´t you dare to mention EDEN or PEACE, this is a case of mercenaries sacking a country.
Guess who´s fighting today with France against Spain?
http://www.erepublik.com/es/battles/show/8085" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/es/battles/show[..]8085
Babies are hurt and kicking on air.
I love argentina/peru trolls <3 I think they don't even read this article before commenting
Miente, miente, miente que algo quedará, mientras más grande sea una mentira más gente la creerá.
¡this article is the big lie!
VOTE TO HELP OUR DEAR ALLIES AND FRIENDS FROM SPAIN!!!!!
http://www.erepublik.com/es/article/ahora-o-nunca-t-decides-1069837/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/es/article/ahor[..]/1/20
@AuPa Group Poles are majority even with yours multiaccounts. We are paying ALL taxes becouse 3 RL peruvians would live in argentina.
We are majority, we create government of colony, and we are protecting it. So if we are majority (and we are paying all taxes) why we cannot taking money to protecting peru from devil Argentina and Brasil?
votado
@Kehmna
I just tried to show that some things are not quite like some people are trying to make them. This is my point of view - based on what I know.
As for signing a MPP - I don't know why you might lose prestige. After all we are people who always fought for EDEN and its allies. And I can assure you that as long as I'll have something to say about ePeru I'll try to keep the words about making ePeru a strong country, not a money-making tool.
the truth relevated
We will not allow for further eArgentinian aggression on ePeru...let the democracy in ePeru take its course.