Dear Frenchmen
Vukasin Mileusnic
Greetings and salutations from Serbia!
After reading the article that your President wrote, and the comments left on it, i felt the need to write this open letter to the public of France. I should also add that we in Serbia hold great respect for RL France, and i see no reason why the same respect couldnt be utilized in this game.
We all witnessed the turbulent offensive of PEACE GC, which had Croatia as its main target. The reason for such an offensive is naturaly not Serbian or Hungarian imperialism, but more down to earth reasons. For one, both Serbia and Hungary have a large amount of active mpp-s activated against them on the Croatian front. If not kept at bay (rea😛
if we dont delete them by erasing Croatia from the map at one point), they may cost us our freedom. Even if you dont feel the unity of the alliance, your interest is clear. If we fall, you will propably fall. Another reason that shouldnt be neglected is the breaking the morale of EDEN, by delivering them a decicive defeat. Not only that, but the breaking of the Croatian bulwark would also grant the entire alliance an advantage. EDEN would miss one determined ally, and PEACE would be stronger with the regions it would hold there. Slavonia, for example, is the key teritory of Croatia, and losing it would be a severe blow for them. I think that the reasons for the ofensive were, and still are, justified and necessary.
Now let us take a closer look at the relations inside PEACE GC. It seems that parts of the alliance think, and they are heavilly supported by our common enemies by trolling the articles and thus creating the public image, that their interests are being neglected in the big picture. Maybe that is understandable, if we put ourselfs in their shoes. There were those in Serbia who thought that our interests were being neglected while we were on the American campaign. However, Serbia has given a lot to the alliance in the past couple of months. We did so not knowing what the future brings, not having any expectations about our future baby booms. We did it because our allies needed help, because we feel that the alliance needs to be united if it is to stand against our enemies, who are indeed united. If one of us is being attacked, then all of us are under attack. It is similar with the attacking. If we attack (for the above mentioned reasons), we expect our allies to stand shoulder to shoulder with us. The soldiers of France did just that. The Government didnt.
I dont want to get into who was more childish, as it really doesnt matter. The alliance needed France to attack the US, as a part of the coordinated offensive. French President demanded an explanation (?!?). I would understand the need for an explanation, if you were to lose something. But if you were offered a compensation in gold for the opening of the battle, and considering that you allready have USA mpps activated against you, i really see no reason for it. Even if you would like that the leaders of the alliance offered you complete report and the reasoning behind their instruction, to compromise the entire operation because you werent satisfied with the way you were asked to participate is just plain selfish and unreasonable. Dont hide behind the feeling of statesmanship (or stateswomanship in your case), as that is a flagrant manipulation of the feelings of Frechmen. That excuse is even worse if we take into account all the EDEN trolling that took it as a foundation for their own manipulation in the comments all over the place. Ledning a hand to the alliance in this case wouldnt be considered as a sign of weakness, on the countrary. Do we consider the US weak for their withdrawal from Alaska, in order to focus their attention to the defence of their own alliance? Do we consider EDEN weak because they are ready to sacrifice, and go above and beyond for their cause?
All in all, the inaction that the Government of France took caused the anti-French feeling in some circles of the alliance. Having in mind that offensive was just finished, and that the inaction of your Government may be responsible for the outcome, it is not surprising that it happened. The reasons your President offered behind her decision just poured more oil in the fire. That doesnt mean that the majority of the population in PEACE has anything against the citizens of France. Tensions were high, and some of the players are really passionate, in both love and hate. I know that many of my countrymen are, as that is our mentality. We look at others through ourselfs, and if we are ready to lend a hand to a friend in need, we expect nothing less in return.
Once again, thanks to all the Frenchmen that participated in the offensive. Your help was needed, and it will be remembered. Your Government, however, underperformed. Its not the end of the world though, so we all may as well get over it. Just dont let the EDEN trolls fool you. Your place is in PEACE. Not because we want you to suffer under us (i mean, seriously... EDEN propaganda🙂
, but because we should be working together for the best of the alliance. Recognize and accept your own interest in the total mutual interest of the alliance, like the Americans recognized theirs in saving Croatia. Once we, the PEACE GC, understand the mutual interest principle, and start working by it, and for it, nothing will stop us.
Viva la France
Viva la Serbia
Viva la PEACE
p.s.
If anyone would like to translate the article to french, please do. The goal is to reach to the majority of the population, and native language is the best way for it 🙂
Comments
yes you wont to France activate 7 more MPP agenst USA to clear your own MPPs
rely nice of you
brate ja ih bas i ne gotivim u rl, tako da... mada slicno se ponasaju i u erep...
we know you cant read english but who cares ,that why its wrtten in english 😃
eagle4s
this is not nice thing to say to one proud nation as France
pcsimke
what about proud english nation ,what about them ,they have feelings too ,why dont they learn their language ?🙁(
zadnji!
Big Vote!
Trolls where are you?
un article tres bien! 🙂
Great article, this should be voted to INT!
nice comments.
So they should open 7 more MPPs against them so you have slightly higher chance to wipe your own? And who's gonna protect them later? Are you going to wipe out USA from map for France? I doubt it
PEACE (rea😛 Hungary and Indonesia) is forcing small countries to open MPPs without thinking ahead and wondering what happens when those small countries get counterattacked. New MPP price is coming, is PEACE gonna pay small countries for those MPPs to protect them against whole EDEN? Serbia is in same situation, now they dragged Slovenia in too. They don't care about you, they just want their border safe and as many high regions they can get their hands on
Don't fall under pressure France, you are free to make your own decisions and you don't have to go down with the rest of PEACE
french people know english, just don't want to use it (cuz it sucks in their opinion, and french language should be used instead as it once did)
noob, if US attacks france it'll force french MPPs -.-'
Oh, here they are! 😛
and serbia is no2 country in population...
Finally a bit of reasoning, great article!
Once we, the PEACE GC, understand the mutual interest principle, and start working by it, and for it, nothing will stop us.
simply great...
i know its a long article but i advise all French people to read it for this is our standpoint!
United we stand!! Peace GC, don't let EDEN trolls fool you, we still like you 😉
Ah just listen to this EDEN trolls, they are so good and righteous... NOT
great article! vote!
pcsimke, France has already activated all the major USA MPPs:
Romania
Spain
Croatia
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Greece
Czech Republic
Poland
Sweden
Moldavia
Israel
activating additional minor mpps like Belgium would not make one iota of a difference
Excellent Vukasine 🙂
Great article my fellow countryman ! 😉
@insightz
we almost did it once, next time we won't repeat our mistakes, so yes, we will erase France's MPP's by erasing eUSA if necesary !!!
For the public ,I love Franchwoman ,we love France like she loved us 1914-1918.
And I totally vote for this article !!!
''I should also add that we in Serbia hold great respect for RL France''
That isnt completely true.We in Serbia held great respect for RL France until France recognised independent Kosovo.Now we dont have that much respect for France.At least that is in my case
I 'm a poor french cityzen, and will try to perform a selfmade translation.
And as my english is poor too (I am french), I will probably missunderstand parts of original text
En gros, les serbes et les hongrois voulaient attaquer la Croatie pour desactiver leurs PPM
Et pour cela, ils avaient besoin de diversions ( les russes, les turcs et nous)
Il fallait donc qu' on attaque les USA (plus de PPM contre nous, toussa)
La France n' a pas obéit à leurs ordres, alors on est des traitres
Mais comme on est les seuls à pouvoir bloquer les USA ( suite au swap de l'Alaska ), ils ne nous foutent pas à la porte de Peace ( Option kleenex multiusage, bin oui, il faut bien qu' ils arrivent à rayer la Croatie de la carte pour effacer leurs multiples PPM)
Et bien sûr, ils nous défendront corps et âme contre toute attaque de F/E ( comme en Asturie, Ontario, Quebec... )
mais bon, comme dit en commentaires, les français pigent que dalle à l'english, alors il se peut que ma traduction soit approximative...
Finalement, je me demande si je ne préfèrerais par un retour du spam espagnol...
Oups, j'ai oublié de signer ma belle traduction
guilan
Really ?
Please don't take French citizens for idiots. PEACE has never been an alliance dedicated to attack other countries. It's a defensive alliance. If you want to attack fine, but you can't force us active 17 MPP against us ! And btw, belgium could block us if we attacked. USA would have retreated one region and that's it.
Fail propaganda and fail strategy, that's all Serbian can come with.
You have babies fine, teach them how to respect other people.
@Hubert Farnsworth (love the show btw🙂
There is no reason for such attitude. Why do you even assume that we are taking you as idiots? Did we do something to you to deserve the "Fail propaganda and fail strategy, that's all Serbian can come with."? Is that the example of respect you want us to follow?
As for the nature of PEACE... let us put aside the morality. We find ourself in a war where two super alliances battle each other. There are no offensive and defensive alliances, not by nature that is. The dynamic of the war switches the role of attacker/defender constantly. If you dont attack now, you will be wiped out tomorrow because the enemy is working against you.
There is no room for idelness, because the idle one will be consumed. There is no middle road here. And if you realy believe that PEACE is just here to serve the Hungarians, or the Serbs, then you fell for EDEN propaganda.
I like how you didn't answer the second part paragraph, Vukasin. Way to avoid the whole point of his comment.
+1 Hubert.
@Adam Reese
Can you be more specific please?
EDEN propaganda doesn't affect me, when France attacked Canada and Spain we had good reasons. They attacked us first, tried to PTO us several times (I say several !) and mocked us.
We knew we couldn't keep the territories alone but PEACE said they would help us.
What did PEACE ? Spend 10k gold in california. Spend 15k gold against Croatia. While we were alone against all EDEN. Plus the fact that Russia totally screwed everyone by not accepting the PNA.
The fact is that we attacked USA just to help the alliance finish with USA and end all MPPs. We had no thank you for opening 10 MPP.
Then, how can you possibly think that we would attack again and have 17 MPPs against us ! That's just plain stupid even with 30G MPPs.
Now if the USA decide to attack, they can erase us easily of the map. No MPP will be enough because they showed everyone they are not the arrogant crybabies of July any more.
Now if you please, try to think about your way of thinking and see everyone's point of view.
yes Lyne asked for explanations. The plan was bad so she asked for explanations. She is our Prez 😁
Hey guys - we have a constructive argument here, I hope this will continue in PEACE GC HQ 😉
I must say that Hubert has a point. Lott of actions PEACE did after near defeat of eUSA were pretty short termed. That's no way to conduct serious business as an alliance.
Russia not following PNA agreement was just first bad move, lot of others followed, so I can understand now why France wnats a clear plan - long term plan with lot of IF-THEN-ELSE in it ...
Congratulations French brothers, let's improve our organisations !
Constructive critics on every side is just necesary to reach perfect solutions to ongoing issues in the alliance.
@ Hubert Farnsworth
"EDEN propaganda doesn't affect me, when France attacked Canada and Spain we had good reasons. They attacked us first, tried to PTO us several times (I say several !) and mocked us."
So, you are saying that if Canada and Spain did not attacked you that time you will not help your allies?!?!
I will not comment on this article any more, I don't wonna become a troll.
We are not the slave of the alliance.
We are a member of the alliance. Respect this.
If being in this alliance includes tu refuse is own sovereignety, it's maybe not the good alliance for us.
yes brate! efrancuska ce skoro biti esrbija ! radim na tome..........haaahhaah
I hear you Fansworth.
And i think i know where is the source of the problem. It seems that most countries dont think about PEACE GC as something they should work on, complementing and improving it. In fact, they look at it like a Big Brother who doesnt pay much attention to them.
I think both sides hold responsibility. PEACE GC for not being more tactical with its approach to member states, and member states for not being more proactive in the alliance. You cant expect the Hungarian or the Serb Government to plan out and define PEACE politics which invloves France (for example). French Government should do that by itself, and present it to the alliance, or to the MoFs of the allied states, and ask for the support on it.
As for the concrete question of US MPPs, i dont know what to say to be honest... All the major MPPs are already activated against you. They ceirtanly arent waiting for you to activate Malasyan one before they feel ready to attack.
And as much you may have the point with bringing out the obvious internal issues in PEACE, the question remains - why bringing them up now when the alliance is on the offense, requiring our mutual effort? I agree that we should work together on solving those issues, and preventing future ones from happening, but if you were not satisfied you should have said something sooner. This way, it looks like you had your opinion only for yourself, and when the alliance rellied upon you, you took a step back. To be honest, it took us unprepared because you were silent.
Hubert Farnsworth: "If you want to attack fine, but you can't force us active 17 MPP against us ! And btw, belgium could block us if we attacked."
You have already activated any meaningful US MPP, activating those 7 micro states would not make any difference.
Belgium would not dare attack France, just as Croatia does not dare attack neither Serbia nor Hungary nor Slovenia.
You are spitting out pure EDEN propaganda.
"While we were alone against all EDEN. "
And who liberated France? Show some gratitude.
"Now if the USA decide to attack, they can erase us easily of the map. "
And that would be France's own doing, you betray your allies and expect to be protected in the future??
Ozzel O'Dunn: "We are a member of the alliance. Respect this."
And what does that exactly mean? When virtually all other members of the alliance ask you for your participation - you refuse? That what is the point of your membership in such alliance?
Dont make it out to be like your participation in the American conquest was somehow a favor to PEACE. You wanted revenge and you got it. And when you are now asked to contribute back to PEACE you decline.
EDEN propaganda
In Italy we consider PEACE dead.
Long live the Franco-Italian alliance.
Down with huns and serbs
"I like how you didn't answer the second part paragraph, Vukasin. Way to avoid the whole point of his comment."
Vukasin, what Adam is saying is this - France attacks USA, USA retreats, Belgium attacks and blocks France. French blocking of USA ends. Not that it would change much, since Slavonia was defended with 170000 points in secure and it is logical assumption that EDEN actually lost more due to server lag, since we had more people fighting. 80k points were utilised after 2 big battles in Lika, so that was leftover without going kamikaze style and without extra EMC tanking.
eSerbia has grown arrogant in their political demands from former comrads in PEACE...
...first they begged,then they pleaded,after awhile they asked..
...now they demand and reproach.
Tomorrow, they will threaten you.
Romper: "Belgium attacks and blocks France. French blocking of USA ends. "
.... and Belgium disappears from the map. That would be one expensive block for Belgium.
Belgium would not dare attack just like Croatia does not dare attack Slovenia.
Croatian trolls are weak, that goes out for Katzenjammer as well.
Those who speak their opinions are called trolls by eSerbs, now its their enemies at which they mudsling.
Perhaps tomorrow it will be you, eFrance.
Examine your allies carefully.
Even if Belgium didnt blocked us (their president is still the former one, not an Eden ally right?) we would have continued until we reach Florida, then what? We would have been alone before a 1000000 wall? We would have paid 2500 gold to block?
Who really think that the, let's be really optimistic, 100000 damage they would have wasted against us would have changed anything in Croatia?
As Romper said, they didnt give their all in Slavonia, it wouldnt have changed the fact that winning alone versus 14 MPP is almost impossible and winning 7 times to erase them and clear their MPP is impossible unless you have 140000-175000 golds for tanking all the way.
VOTE! Thanks to all the Frenchmen that participated in the offensive!
Good one and very interesting
Good article.
It still doesn't convince me France should stay in PEACE the way it is now, after seeing the way some french soldiers were treated while fighting in Hungary.
Looks like Serbs enjoy having France in PEACE... have doubts about Hungarians and others.
you wrote: "I should also add that we in Serbia hold great respect for RL France, and i see no reason why the same respect couldnt be utilized in this game."
Just because IRL it isn't reciprocal! Serbia is a den of thieves.
OMG el champci, "serbia is den of thieves" you say??? Please go somewhere else with such terrible prejudice, don't troll here, this is insult to all Serbian people...
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BTW if France wants to get out of peace, great, you are free as a bird! We just asked for a favor as allies, and you refused it, even if it had no major risks.
Do you know what has eSerbia all done for PEACE? We attacked slavonia 3 times just to distract damage from other peace battles, and we fought and moved all around the world during the last 3-4 months, while we haven't conquered anything, we even risked our own country by activating 14 croatian MPPS just to help our PEACE allies.
And no one from serbia complained. Now, this was just one time, the first time when we needed assitance of other peace countries and when our battle was battle with highest priority, and you allready start to complain and refuse our demands, you say that France is Serbian and Hungarian puppet? LOL ?!? I really don't understand you. Do you think that you will be treated better in EDEN ?