Aum. Democracy or dictatorship? [EN, NL, FR, DE]
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by Ward De Bever
[EN] Dear citizens,
Once again, Belgium is at a crossroads. The current country president was elected with a majority that allows him to rule in an enlightened way. But now he decides to test the borders by including two government members against the Supreme Court recommendations (i.e. more than suggestions). Voices rise and urge him to choose between two directions:
- Democracy. Honour and respect the democratic institutions. It is in his powers to nominate members of his government in a way that abides with the minimal rules that were democratically agreed upon. In choosing to respect the (voted and elected) Supreme Court, and by extension, choosing to recognise forum aspects of the game, he may support the continued existence of Belgium as a self-organised entity.
- Dictatorship. He may choose to only go his own way. While he indeed probably cannot and will not be impeached, he could leave a legacy where, November 6th, no other rule than the in-game rule of the strongest will still exist or be respected.
Democracy or dictatorship? His choice.
[NL] Democratie of dictatuur?
Waarde burgers,
Eens te meer bevindt België zich op een kruispunt. De huidige president werd verkozen met een meerderheid die zijn verlicht bewind mogelijk maakt. Maar nu beslist hij de grenzen te verkennen door twee regeringsleden te benoemen tegen de aanbevelingen (meer dan suggesties) van het Opperste Gerechtshof (Supreme Court) in. Stemmen verheffen zich en manen hem te kiezen tussen twee wegen:
- Democratie. De democratische instellingen eerbiedigen. Het is in zijn macht om leden van zijn regering te benoemen op een manier die overeenkomt met de minimale regels die democratisch werden afgesproken. Door te kiezen voor eerbied voor het (gestemde en verkozen) Opperste Hof, en bij uitbreiding ook te kiezen voor erkenning van de forumzijde van het spel, kan hij kiezen om het bestaan van België als een zelf-organiserende entiteit te ondersteunen.
- Dictatuur. Hij kan kiezen om enkel zijn eigen weg te gaan. Hoewel het inderdaad niet wenselijk of mogelijk is om hem af te zetten, kan hij een erfenis nalaten waarbij op 6 november geen ander recht dan het recht van de sterkste nog zal gelden.
Democratie of dictatuur? Zijn keuze.
[FR] Démocratie ou dictature?
Chères citoyennes, chers citoyens,
Une fois de plus, la Belgique se trouve à un carrefour. Le président actuel fut élu avec une majorité lui permettant de gouverner selon les Lumières. Mais maintenant, il décide d'explorer les limites en nommant deux membres de son gouvernment contre la recommandation (plus que des suggestions) de la Cour Suprème (Supreme Court). Des voix s'élèvent et l'exhortent à choisir entre deux voies:
- Démocratie. Le respect des institutions démocratiques. Il est en son pouvoir de nommer un gouvernement d'une façon convenante aux règles minimales qui furent démocratiquement convenues. En choisissant pour le respect de la Cour Suprème (votée et élue), et par extension en choisissant pour le respect de l'aspect “forum” du jeu, il peut choisir de soutenir l'existence de la Belgique comme une entité auto-organisée.
- Dictature. Il peut choisir de ne suivre que son chemin à lui. Même s'il n'est en effet pas désirable ou possible de lancer un empêchement, il se peut qu'il laisse un héritage où, le 6 novembre, plus aucun autre droit que celui du plus fort ne sera encore en effet.
Démocratie ou dictature? Son choix.
[DE] Demokratie oder Diktatur?
Liebe Mitbürgerinnen und Mitbürger,
Wieder ist Belgien an einem Scheideweg. Der derzeitige Präsident wurde mit einer Mehrheit gewählt die ihm erlaubt, mit Aufklärung zu regieren. Aber jetzt beschloss er die Grenzen zu erkunden, durch die Ernennung von zwei Mitgliedern seiner Regierung, entgegen die Empfehlungen (mehr als Vorschläge) des Supreme Court (Oberster Gerichtshof). Stimmen drängen ihm auf, aus zwei Möglichkeiten zu wählen:
- Demokratie. Die Achtung der demokratischen Institutionen. Es ist in seiner Macht um eine Regierung zu ernennen, in einer Weise die demokratisch vereinbarte Mindestnormen nachfolgt. Durch die Wahl um das Anerkennen des (gewähltes) Oberstgerichtes (Supreme Court), und durch Erweiterung, die Wahl um das Anerkennen des Spieles Forum-Aspektes, kann er die Existenz von Belgien als selbstorganisierte Einheit unterstützen .
- Diktatur. Er kann beschließen nur sein eigener Weg zu folgen. Zwar ist es nicht erwünscht oder möglich eine Anklage zu starten, aber er konnte wohl ein Vermächtnis hinterlassen wo am 6. November, nur noch das das Recht des Stärkeren würde gelten.
Demokratie oder Diktatur? Seine Wahl.
Aum.
Posted on the erepbelgium.com forum as: http://www.erepbelgium.com/t4514-democracy-or-dictatorship
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I just have to laugh that when things don't go their way certain people (Ward & NLSP) start causing trouble and calling it a dictatorship. Those two want everything to go their way
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I subscribed... Just to have the pleassure of unsubscribing 😁
The CP is promising a reply in this article - http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/an-address-to-the-nation-1880524/1/20 - but nothing yet...
Total nonsense. First you asked stupid questions and misrepresent the facts. Do you want to be raped or not raped? Do you want me to kick you in the balls or not? If I recall, Jamster even before the election posted his gov etc. People voted in Jamster knowing who he wants to be in his gov. Also, the SC for that case violated so many constitutional and procedural laws that the SC case is a violation of the law and the peoples of eBE rejects it. No one offers a good explanation on the results. Why Prophexy and Splashdog got a slap on the wrist while MG and Shadow got huge sanctions. The issue that they did not break laws but they break "traditions" which is made up by NLSP. Tradition is not enforceable nor even well defined. I would urge people to put Jofroi and Elynea on trial for violation of "tradition" and I would bet you that the activist judges find them innocent of the same crime.
The BE justice system lost its objectivity and is creating conflicting precedence. From SC 2011/009 and 2011/007e but and create total nonsense with 2011/007a and b etc. Also why is this case approved in the first place? It is not a legal issue. Especially with the precedence of 009 which decrees that the law is to be read by the letter and nothing more. No context and not meaning. Then why did the case went through.
eBE needs democracy. If you want democracy, you vote BCP or RB. If you look at their voting record, they are against tyranny of the admins and wanted congress elected mods and admins. ATO, ULA, and UM is against. Ward even say that the admin/mod status should be the Lord/nobility while the citizens are serfs. We want fair and just laws with meaning and not the tyranny of some bureaucratic legal system.
Democracy= BCP/ RB
Dictatorship =Um/ULA
ATO= Neutral (Critically is good/ Olv and Jofroi is problematic)
"If I recall, Jamster even before the election posted his gov etc." - not that I know. I only found out that Shad would be MoFA after provisional election results were in. Afaik, Jamster did not publish his gov lineup on beforehand.
If the "peoples of eBe" (i think we are only 1 people, but hey) "rejects it", is it so difficult to put it to a vote and respect the democratic results of that vote?
Besides, who is Konrad Neumann anyway? Shouldn't he be busy with local politics in his home country? Didn't we have enough of his verbal abuse? He quit as a Congress Member, so that tells enough about his credibility and level of commitment to Belgium. Belgian citizens who voted for him have every reason to feel betrayed.
Now awaiting the promised decision by the CP... it's overdue but still welcome.
hear hear hear, Ward de Bever. The guy who was allowed the post of minister of finance once and nearly destroyed our economy in the process.
sha😛 maybe stop spreading lies and insults. I will repeat my answer to your similar 'allegation' on the forum:
I've been in three governments and that's not bad for a six-month old citizen, no?
We managed to find an agreement on import tax levels after shadow wanted to raise it to 30% in a rogue way...
His views on high taxes and protectionism are not warranted by any in-game reality, since artificially wanting to raise prices on our markets will impoverish all economic actors (sales volumes would drop sharply, workers' purchasing power would decrease as well as company owners would have less profits). In fact, we're there already due to our moderate taxes and low wages: 1 day of work buys a Belgian worker around (94.5 BEF net salary/3.33 BEF per Q5 food🙂 28.4 Q5 foods, whereas a Polish worker earns (99 PLN/1.60 PLN🙂 61.8 Q5 foods. Nothing warrants that a Polish worker's purchasing power be more than double a Belgian worker's. Q5 food produce is 140 for Belgium and 200 for Poland, and wages PPE (purchase power equivalent) should be relative to that. Instead of 28.4 foods, Belgium should be able to offer (61.8*140/200🙂 43.3 foods to its citizens.
"(quote shad) PS: not to mention that due to your constant nagging about congress donations, the total amount of donations received this month is 4 out of 30 donation. I'd pretty much say that your posts destroyed that source of income as well."
If I recall well, I'm in favour of the Congress donations, and he's against, no? I donated all my Congress gold to the state whereas he did not support the state with even a goldcent (for the last 6-7 months at least).
Shadowukcs is clinging to power despite the Supreme Court verdict and recommendation that he should be banned 30 days from government positions for Negligence.
Bla bla bla Ward, typical response, not on the issues, but personal attacks. I think Ward is unfit for power. All he does is personal attacks. Talking about credibility, who is Ward anyways? Ward is nothing with no real experience. You are lucky just to be 1 percent of what Shadow and myself have accomplished.
Ward only does Red Herrings. He cannot debate facts and the issue. He can only personal attacks people. At least I am not a person that is a trouble maker that legally should cost him a months ban on the forums. Since ThomasRed is the Herr Fuhrer of the forums etc, Ward only got a slap on the wrist. You want to talk credibility, you have none. The eBE as a whole should feel betrayed by your injustices and that of Fuhrer TR who abuses power for personal gains.
Do you know shame Ward?
Yes, Konrad. I know shame. But that's none of your business since you chose to run away with the votes and the Congress gold to the antipodes, like the first-come stupid PTO'er.
Really Ward, you still insist there is something called congress gold? Talking about none of your business, people's personal finances is none of your business nor does it belongs to the state. In Ward de Bever's Belgium, you have no privacy and no rights to profit. All belongs to the state.
Second, you call people you do not like as PTOers but then again your buddy Jofroi PTOed Bro/RB. Use corruption to get support. Even tried to bribe a CP candidate to take a fall. Do not dare to talk to me about PTO while you support tyrants and PTOers all the time. Don't you dare Ward. You have no moral authority to do so.
Ward, where is your humility?
I don't say you are PTO, you just remotely acted like one in getting elected and then quickly running away once you got the 5 gold. Your ranting about private property seems quite confused for a self-proclaimed communist.
Also, I'm not responsible and not involved in Jofroi's actions that you mention. I don't support tyrants and am against dictatorship. That's my main reason for not participating in at least two of the previous governments.
You did not participate since you are not wanted. The CP did not hire you. You are responsible for Jofroi's action since you support it and even endorse him as CP knowing the situation at hand.
I also want you to find where I state I am a communist? Tell me where? Also names of party means nothing while I have stated that the BCP is more anarchist or strong libertarians. Libertarians with anarchist notions? Regardless, that is not an issue at all and once again you are not debating the issue.
In the end you do support dictatorship. You and your gangs are lords and we are the serfs. These are exactly your words.
Where did I use the words 'lords' and 'serfs'? I remember once talking about the ideal government in a forum administration context, and then I used the word 'aristocracy', arguing that forum admins cannot , in my view, be democratically elected since they need to stay above the day-to-day political turmoil. Also, I thought the forum administration and moderation issue was settled with the Forum Moderation Act that you also agreed upon. If not, feel free to start a new debate and vote in Belgian Congress, or ask someone to do it in your name.
I am just a simple person. By you previously being a member of the Belgian Communist Party and now of the Australian Communist Party, I didn't think further while accusing you of communism. If you don't like to be called a communist, why don't you choose to become a member of parties with different names and in-game stances? Would make it much clearer. At least, I'm an honest center-wing anarchist ; )
Also: both MG and Jamster have asked me at some point to become a Cabinet Member in their government... the only one who didn't, for reasons that you could understand if you wanted, is Jofroi.
Ward tried to destroy Belgium, pass it on
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ward. can you just stop? seriously. you have crossed the line far too many times already.
Why, MG? I respect democratically agreed laws. I'm awaiting the president's overdue response on this, as are many Belgians. And which line are you talking about?