Analysing eRhetoric - Sociology & eRepublik
Mr Woldy
Analysing Rhetoric
The following article is part one in a series aiming to explore how real life sociological/philosophical/political theories of social order are applicable, if at all, to eRepublik and the micro-societies that it consists of.
Knowledge is power. According to French sociologist and historian Michel Foucault, those who generate so called ‘knowledge’ exert a power over a society through their ability to control people’s perception of reality. This is a societal mechanism that I myself have framed much of my own research (irl) on, and over the past year or so has become increasingly evident here in the eUK.
Firstly, it is important to note that ‘knowledge’ only refers to a body of discourse or thinking, and doesn’t reflect actual fact in terms of reality, but instead is a reflection on the perception or understanding that a particular culture has of the reality they operate in.
In other words, the widespread adoption of a particular perceived reality can filter upwards through politicians and so begin to exert power. In my own opinion, the point at which knowledge as a discursive body begins to exert power in real terms is when politicians begin to act on it, though individual acts can also be influenced by this perception of reality.
Simplified real life examples can portray this - stereotypes are often formed by discursive knowledge, and throughout the 19thC (and before) imperial policy in Britain was informed by politicians acting upon those stereotypes which in reality were literary themes rather than accurate depictions of real people. Or you may consider in present day that the idea that immigration has caused people to lose their jobs has become discursive knowledge, through journalism and the media. This notion has become a perceived reality for many and so the far right has seen a surge in popularity in various places around Europe as seen in last weeks elections. As such parties like UKIP are now in a position to exert power in real terms through the European Parliament.
This is a constant process of production, legitimisation and reinforcement. And it isn't 'bad' - it is simply how societies organises knowledge and discerns 'fact'. How does this apply to eRepublik? Obviously it doesn’t have implications in ‘real terms’ though the formation of knowledge within certain groups of players does affect reality in eRepublik’s terms. For example, in the eUK NE was framed/framed itself as pro-PTO and as Serbian collaboration has begun to be seen as potentially harmful to many in the eUK, they saw acting against NE as legitimate. It was not legitimate to many in NE, who operating under a different body of knowledge considered themselves to be acting fairly.
Looking at the eUK, I have adopted NE/V as a case study, as their political leaders produce more vociferous rhetoric and in greater volume than any other political entity in Parliament. Much of the writing from V has come from a small group of leaders formerly operating under NE. The ‘knowledge’ produced by these players is (as this is a political simulation game) all political polemic, and works around a simple framework. TUP is bad. V are good. If you speak against V, you are bad, and so you must be TUP. This framework is flexible enough to encompass any scenario, and recently the eUK’s community lashed back at NE/V antagonism and united to oppose it. The rhetoric employed by V simply adapted to deal with it - TUP were behind it, and those who participated are TUP puppets.
This polarisation of good/bad has been the core of NE/V policy for years and is culminating in the current struggle against PTO. V, working under the premise of TUP & Co = Bad and V = Good often repeat the accusation of TUP letting in foreign players, who they cast as PTO’ers. This legitimises V’s letting in of Serbian players, and running them for Congress. In other words, the ‘knowledge’ V players have of TUP being evil and reliant on foreign votes legitimises V’s use of foreign votes, which has implications on eReality as V Congressmen as well as some Serbian Congressmen have been elected, and are now in a position to further their agenda of allowing in more foreign votes.
This dynamic becomes more complicated when we consider that if V has ran people who aim to perpetuate the Serb PTO, then there is actually two agenda’s operating in ‘V’ as a political entity - the anti-establishment rhetoric of Dapper and also the PTO agenda of the serbs he has ran. Although Dapper has said that not cit passes will be given out, that reflects his own current aspirations in the eUK and is something which any PTO’ers could easily ignore to further their own agenda.
So far we have, in eRepublik terms, examined the dynamic of knowledge and power regarding the ATO/PTO debate happening in the eUK. But how do we assess validity? The best way, and I shall leave this to the reader, is to go back to the rhetoric itself and assess to what extent the perceived reality generated in the discourse reflects the actual reality of the eUK. The terminology here gets confusing, as the perception forms an individual’s reality, which is what generates power - though may not reflect reality in real terms, as shown in the examples given above.
Assessing the polemic is all well and good, but it seems to me that framing it in terms of a specific questions might help our inquiry. ‘How does either side of the PTO debate justify their actions’ is an interesting topic, that illustrates what I have outlined in this article quite well. A quick look at what evidence people use (if any) when making their claims is often revealing. However, it is important to be aware of how discursive traditions can form. From what I have seen, those on the ‘TUP and everyone else’/ATO side often provide primary evidence for their claims, employing statistics and statements from V members to support their actions*. V however, often refer only to what they have claimed before, employing a body of assumptions formed within their V = Good and TUP = Bad maxim**. In other words the justification employed for allowing Serbian voters is based more on tautology then a presentation of fact and in historical terms NE/V have done very well in their establishing of a discursive body of ‘knowledge’ which frames TUP+ATO as being harmful and bad, based on already established maxims, and draws upon the idea of NE/V triumphing the underdog and righting elitist wrongs (also present in all their writing) to justify the actions of their own Congressmen.
This image has become so strong to the leaders of V, that their perceived reality leaves no room for doubt, and is reinforced by election success of V or political failures of everyone else. The strength of their belief is reflected and facilitated by the flexibility of the rhetoric. When it suits them, anyone in the eUK can be recast as a ‘TUP puppet’. This flexibility allows the image of V as national saviour to deal with cross-party opposition and widespread dislike of their policy and actions. The image can also be employed in any form of propagandistic attack (including fraudulent screenshots)***, the simplicity of the ‘us and them’ society V have built for themselves allows any scenario or event to be cast into the binary - almost nothing happens these days without blame being pointed at TUP and a corrupt government, a charge implying that ‘the people’ should flock to their saviours for proper leadership. However, it is the flexibility of their key maxim that often leads V to hypocrisy: just today a member of V had to delete an article because it pitched an idea which V decided to attack when it come from non V citizens****.
All in all, what we have seen is NE/V framing TUP and non New Eralites as corrupt elites, self serving election rigging ‘others’ whose only experience of resistance comes from NE/V. This image of the eUK has been maintained to legitimise NE/V’s political manoeuvres and rhetoric, and despite people reaching out to them it has been maintained - simply because as NE/V’s approach and policies have been built on this maxim, and any admission at any point that TUP isn’t evil and NE/V isn’t a party of heroes will erode the pillar on which NE/V has established itself. In other words, the production of this 'knowledge' on a corrupt TUP has created an avenue of power for NE/V to operate an anti-establishment party in.
A final point to consider, and it can only be speculative, is how far actual V members believe the rhetoric they spin. In some cases, the accusations against various individuals are so out there that it’s hard to believe that they believe it themselves. I’m sure you’ve all seen comments of people asking them what they are on about. The question isn’t to do with the validity of their ‘knowledge’, but why they buy into it. In my opinion, V members experience a mixture, some buy into the rhetoric so much that to them it is, in the Foucauldian sense, an absolute truth. However, what we and indeed members of V should be weary of is individuals who simply replicate the rhetoric and the maxims because they know it will increase their power and influence, and so ‘go along’ with the party and it’s hostile actions as a means of climbing to power. These are the individuals who, by implication, are perpetuating a PTO in order to further their own eCareers.
The one thing we can take from this is simply to scrutinise what people say. Observe what they reference to make their conclusions. Be objective, and make your own inquiries. An analysis such as this can be performed on any party, V has be chosen as it is a good example, and a matter of controversy.
Thanks for Reading.
Mr Woldy.
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* People like Ayame Crocodile have compiled catalogues of evidence with which to justify their actions. See the use of linked articles, screenshots etc.
** Many examples. Such as: this http://prntscr.com/3n08ur, and this CP working a ‘TUP agenda’. http://prntscr.com/3n05qr, This article frames the loss of London as being the fault of those who voted TUP http://prntscr.com/3n061y, and general baseless acusations here http://prntscr.com/3n06nq.
See also, this http://prntscr.com/3n079y, and this article, http://prntscr.com/3n087g for a general idea of the rhetorical tehcniques.
*** As pointed out in the comments of this article much of the screenshots employed in the article are edited, with spellings changing etc.
**** In this article, Rory states that the best way to avoid PTO is to get wiped. This is precisely the proposal made by V member BigAnt, a few days before. When this is pointed out in a comment BA has made, he deletes his article. http://prntscr.com/3n03t4
I would like to note that, presently NE is being ran by members who were disenfranchised by Dapper’s regime, and this article should not reflect negatively on them as they have the best of intentions for a New Era.
Should I ever find the time, I will examine the theory of societal-regulation in terms of the eUK… but I feel this article is already long enough.
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lol wut?... And you wrote it.
I wonder, who would be accountable of so much 'knowledge' production?
Blah blah , you ruined you image this month by PTOing New Era. Now we have shown our strength, all this as TUP members start leaving because of foreign players like kravenn stopping our british players an opportunity.
well written and very interesting, I hope that this study of the mindset of the V political system can be studied further.
Few observations:
1. You're not objective and display the same labeling techniques and group thinking others do. You speak in terms of groups and not individuals.
2. This article will reach only those who already agree with you. It's too extensive and repetitive, giving one point of view.
3. The best way to be sure the debate (in public discourse like we have in eRep) is going anywhere is to apply rules of logic and avoid as many logical mistakes as possible.
Vote for the effort and time to type this.
About the repetition, that's exactly how scholarly analysis works. Believe me, any thorough piece of peer reviewed article would be written in much the same manner. That's all.
I don't have to believe you since I write them myself and no, argument ad nauseam doesn't do well in good papers.
What profession? Just curious.
I have found no shortage of argument ad nauseam in my research personally
I wouldn't describe it as a labeling technique, but groups are used simply to distinguish between parties and that relies on the assumption that those in a party on some level approve of their policies, and as it is the development of policies that the article examines it seems appropriate to deal with people in terms of which party they are in. If people wanted to be counted as individuals distinct from any particular party, they could remove themselves from all parties and so wouldn't be included in the survey.
I wouldn't say it was ad nauseam, exploring the consequences of a doctrine that informs every aspect of a players interaction is bound to be extensive and appear repetitive but that is more to remind people of what mechanisms are a play during each step of the analysis.
Lastly, I wasn't really intending to start a debate, it's just a follow up article on a conversation about online communities and sociological/anthropological theories. eRepublik is a great place to see simple patterns play out amongst communities.
eRepublik consists of very little active players, a lot of their multi accounts and even more dead accounts. It also has a good number of 2-clickers. So you can hardly talk about homogeneous groups and label everyone as this or that. I'm a Serb, I'm not a PTOer. Your article is divisive. It has very little to do about a "sociological theory". It also reminds me of another divisive ad verbosium article published in Vagabonds newspaper.
My intention wasn't to fan the flames of the who is and isn't a PTO'er issue, though I do not doubt it is divisive because it is only one side of the coin. Given the time I could do one for non new-eralites which would be longer and probably even more repetitive 😛
1. He specifically stated in the article much of the writing that he talks about when refering to NE & V comes from a small group of players, previously the leaders of NE.
2. The article isn't repetitive, not in terms of its arguments or structure. I assume your referring the the multiple references to the TUP/NE=Good/Evil maxim which is repeated multiple times due to it's relevance in making several distinct points.
3. The reason the article is so appropriate is because the power NE/V have gained from creating an (often) dominant discourse has nothing to do with logical debate or structured argument.
A quick overview of their articles and comments shows that little more than lip service is paid to reasoning, with a lot of effort put into posturing, sloganeering and attacking others. Attempts to create a more 'logical' and reasoned debate have only been met with more of the same.
I think Woldy explains it well in the article where he points out that they have become so dependent on a simplistic discourse/maxim that a more reasoned logical discussion becomes (or is felt to be) harmful.
I.e. they've backed themselves into a corner where TUP (and most others by proxy) are too 'evil' to ever reason or be seen to work with
Group, groups, NE, TUP, Serbs, Poles, PTO, ATO... blah blah blah... Nothing new, nothing concrete, same old same old. Divisive as usual. So much energy wasted. CBA.
This makes no sense, much like your continued obsession and writing off of anything not written about individuals.
ser fartasalot is a guy who will attack and change topics everytime his baseless arguments can't win
"I would like to note that, presently NE is being ran by members who were disenfranchised by Dapper’s regime, and this article should not reflect negatively on them as they have the best of intentions for a New Era."
what a load of bollocks. Fight and Produce anyone?
Woldy, you crossed the line when you PTO'd New Era.
How about an article on the mindset of Kravenn and his 50 congress medals? How about an article about how hypocritical it is to let in poles and belgians for years, tolerate their amerifag spelling, then cry foul when someone else uses exactly the same tactic against this woeful one-party state in which we live.
The revolution is coming and it's closer than ever.
V
just do it already...or are you waiting until November the 5th CP elections cos that would be cool
It's interesting (and a shame) you only respond to a footnote then criticise the article. I'd quite like to hear your (and other prominent NE'ers) views on the actual content of the article?
FightAndProduce anyone?
Oh yes, I'm here!
I was appointed Spokesperson by the de facto PP, who was in turn elected by New Era members. I ran for de facto PP myself. I got 4 votes, to my knowledge none of those were outside voters, and definitely weren't ones I'd solicited to vote for me. I received 4 votes while Goku received 7, with Michael Ludgate and General Marley both receiving 5. Also I'd like to mention that I could have voted for myself in that election. I actually didn't and voted for other candidates, if I truly wanted to take over the party wouldn't I have solicited outside votes and also used my own vote for myself?
I ran myself because I saw the mass drop in members coming, New Era has good members, but every party needs new blood to keep it running.
If you wish to verify who was voting and who for, check out Mr Woldy's article. It's all there.
The non New Era member who is ruling with woldy has spoken... lol'd
This seems to be an effort to reinforce the "knowledge" that the PTO of an eUK political party is justified.
Did you know the word gullible has been removed from the dictionary? Go check
Please stop your lies no one is falling for your words!
Fail once again!
Its time we removed that Title King you are not fit to be a king maybe King of the worms
Down with TUP worm King!
Wow! so violent!
Time to send RMP & King's Guard
How meta
You may call me V (Dapper hiding behind a mask) just proves that what is said in the article could be true. All who are against V are TUP or TUP puppets and they are bad is his repeating argument.
did you read it? and if so maybe you could point out some of those lies?
Dappy can't read; someone read it to him, at bedtime, and he spat his dummy out then threw his toys out of the pram. After sulking, he got his mummy to write his response because there isn't any spelling errors
Foucault was communist
Now you know what to do : D
What a great article!
full of analysis, facts, and opinions.
o/
Hah, I just love it when RL-science is applied to erep. Konrad likes to do that, too. Still waiting for something like "the construction of the PTOer"
As you can see from comments, RL science tends to be lost on eRep players who can't be troubled to read and understand it. I've seen this happen on many of Konrad's articles, as well. It does not, however, make the arguments nor the conclusions invalid, only misunderstood, sometimes intentionally so.
Quite an interesting analysis. Never really thought about erep scientifically before....
Despite the predictable protests, I think this is a fair and accurate analysis of the present political/social divide in the eUK, and by extension, in other eCountries where there is a disaffected minority fighting for power while claiming they have grass roots support. This claim is rarely supported by facts, as demonstrated by the continued failure of these minorities to win elections. It has been noted in common wisdom that a lie, if repeated often enough, will become "fact" even in the eyes of the person who first told it. Story lines based on lies are often believed passionately by people in RL politics, as well (e.g., the Tea Party myth that Obama is Muslim, was not born in the US, etc., which is perpetuated despite all evidence to the contrary). The burden lies with the critics, at this point, to disprove the evidences and arguments in this article with evidence and arguments of their own. Shouting and finger-pointing does not suffice. Deal with it.
what utter tripe
What a profoundly intelligent reply!
It can be rather entertaining to those outside of it, tho. Crisps anyone?
Popcorn and a diet pepsi if you have it please
Yeah but these are just.. words, man. What does a word even mean, its just a sound... man.
did someone piss on your rug?
that's right, dude. :3
Impressive piece of the text you wrote; following Konrad's footsteps.
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Enjoyed reading this and have been thinking along these lines myself. From what I did learn of Sociology, the open minded thinking that doesn't take prisoners is: 1.Unpopular with EVERYONE in power. 2.Will get the user into hot water. 3.Is likely to isolate the practitioner. 4.In contrast to your expectations, is pretty rare amongst men. As you suggest, that Vendetta truly believes it's knowledge, they will (as demonstrated above) accuse of the same thing they are guilty of - using the primary tool of eloquently (umm...) arranging words to pass off an argument as being not only an opinion but an already agreed statement of fact.
The attacks highlight the concept of created reality. You (Woldy) are indeed an evil tool of TUP inherent on causing destruction of the great honourable V. Whilst to any academically minded person with the ability to function objectively to both party politics and eRep vs real life, it's patently clear the article is an examination of mapping underpinning ideas of sociology/rl to eRep. The only repetition I see is because the points are not the focus of the article, the analysis of the framework of thinking being applied is! Of course my comment will likely be branded as 'trying to be smart, divisive of the common man or similar attack that completely misses the point.
The sad reality is that the majority of people don't posses the tools to comprehend and work with these ideas, of course they could learn, but it's actively resisted - perverse idea that the ability to mentally manipulate knowledge oneself (framework) is equivalent to accepting enemy propaganda (content).
Some of those at the helm of Vendetta, are likely to read this article with a wry smile, as they know full well the success of applying real-world principles here. As I've said before, we're all just lucky this is eRep and not rl.
Numbers and actions speak louder, Woldy has ACroc have killed New Era, you have lost out.
You lost top 5 and you lost players who a real. Log on fight for the UK and just want a chance in congress.. if you support acroc, woldy and power grabbing players like Kravenn so be it.
Alternatively, you lost active players by resisting ATO due to the policy of importing votes because they do it. Old Era didn't get killed! it morphed into Vendetta. New era is everyone who's both honest and not susceptible to propaganda.
Of course it's funny we get into this discussion again? I guess you missed the point of Woldy's article, but we both know that's not the case, this is just another platform hi-jacked for shouting and fist pumping.
No we have become more active then ever and we have a MU chat room. You really need to see with your own eyes to truly value the steps we have made.