[UKGov]The History of the UKPP and the 'Traditional' forums
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by Grampa Alfagrem
Hello citizens of the eUK this is my first article after a group of elected officials named me as Emperor of the eUnited Kingdom.
I have been informed that I must take time away from offical schedule of inspecting the nations saltmines and watching displays of our latest Q5 Rocket factories to respond to an article that was recently released by a man claiming to be an (unbiased) government official.
In all seriousness..........
The claim has been made that we are whinging about the forums either out of a lack of anything else to do or simply because "we hatez TUP and dey must DIE!" rather then actually having any valid reason to want to 'veer away' from using the oldfag/traditional/national forum.
I therefore present the history of UKPP's involvement with that particular http.....
At its birth the UKPP was naturally cautious about dealing with 'the other lot' due to their history in the UKWP a party that due to the naivety of its leaders ( I was one of them) suffered a PTO directed and supported by a group from the forum, a congressmember from the 'traditional' parties and a group of our(UKs) french allies who had been mislead to think we were a PTO group trying to re-orientate the nation away from the Strasbourg treaty. (Ironically we were too busy fighting in France, liberating their lands to respond in proper fashion).
For many of us this was our first taste of eUK power-politics
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/raid-on-le-crotoy-how-bob-boblo-thwarted-the-french-resistance-1749399/1/20
Eventually the remenants of the party joined together with a number of former UKRP members to form the UKPP.
After establishing who we were and what we wanted as a group we started recruiting and rapidly rose into the top 5 of national parties.
UKRP was ofc keeping tabs on their former party members and worried about the implication to their own status by the rise of another centre-right party they began to plot our downfall through PTO and discreditation (http://pastebin.com/h7yBtSqM)
BMThatcher however had not had his masking removed for UKRP access and stumbled across their plotting in the UKRP sub-forum of the 'traditional' forum. He then started a thread querying this scheming and was subsequently banned from the forum and any discussion relating to the banning were locked down http://forums.erepublik.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=76539
Lesson:
The law is the law - There are no mitigating circumstances!
The Pipilibalik Incident
As a new party we were overeliant on BMT and having him organise our activites through the 'traditional' forum. Losing his leadership in the run up to our first congress elections led to a loss of command and control and Pipilibalik happened.
A player who was approved by Imperator Keers and granted his CS by some fella called Talon Karrde. He ran for congress, got elected and started doing troll proposals, ingnoring Keers and his CS mandates and generally was a pain.
http://forums.erepublik.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=76843
Despite receiving his pass into the nation it was the UKPP who were the focus of scrutiny for his subsequnet misdeeds
http://forums.erepublik.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=76848
Lesson:
Our mistakes are none of your business, your mistakes are of national intrest
After the castigation from other parties we took on board their 'suggestions' tht we improved our processes and we formed a party forum where we could hash out policy ideas, run social programs and control our elections and ATO procedures.
Despite the fact we had now bought our party up to their standard, This UKPP only forum came to be seen as some kind of threat to the inhabitents of the 'traditional' board and attacks on the UKPP and their policies increased;
Direct threads;
http://forums.erepublik.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=77275
http://forums.erepublik.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=77088
http://forums.erepublik.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=79572
http://forums.erepublik.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=79384
http://forums.erepublik.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=78715
Snippy comments from mods and gov ministers;
http://forums.erepublik.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=419&t=79078
http://forums.erepublik.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=419&t=78436
and numerous articles and comments that would fill the rest of the server space!
Lesson:
You hold us up to a higher standard and whilst on the one hand dismissing us for being inexperienced you simultaneously expect us to be all knowing and perfect
So why can't we chalk this down to a statistical cluttering of coincidence, a product of the times and hyper-sensitivity on our part?
Well whenever we start to convinve ourselves that maybe we can sneak back onto the forum and join in the barracking of the next new party we find ourselves going back to lesson number 1 The law is the law - There are no mitigating circumstances! and we remember incidents like the refusal of the government to follow their own laws and refusal to adress a petition of investigation and a subsequent petition to accept the petition that should have been addressed by the same person who failed to follow the original law (confusing I know);
http://forums.erepublik.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=65046
http://forums.erepublik.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=6513
http://forums.erepublik.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=6516
We also remember when the law was applied as specified but negated due to patrimony, neptoism and influence;
http://forums.erepublik.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=76605
http://forums.erepublik.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=76841
or even just because it was expedient;
http://forums.erepublik.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=75169
What the 'Traditional' forum has taught us;
The forum laws are the law unless we decide they are not, any debate on such application or non-application of said laws are forbidden.
You will do as we say not as we do and and any mention of this deficit between words and actions on our part is similarly forbidden.
If you disagree with these terms then feel free to start your own forum but doing so is also forbidden
So....You can pretend there is no problem, that activity is fine and that the forces of light and goodness are on your side. We just decline the invite to your personal interpretation of reality.
~Alfagrem
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superbly and coldly explained,.... now what ?
the forum links aint working
This ain't no UKGov article and the UK Today things are my banners :C
Mmmm using official code for party propaganda : more than a shame.
And you deceive UK Population for your own glory.
'Official code' - of course it is dear, I expect by eRep ban imminently. 😛
Voted and enjoyed.
RE Links : Won't work by clicking through the eRep warning, you have to copy + paste into a new tab
alfa, they're missing the ol' ban button.
Such an obvious schoolboy mistake there Alfagrem in your use of banners.... You should know by now that only members of the TUP are allowed to use the official governmental banners...
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@Mr Knee: Beta is ESO.
Those threads show you were disliked for refusing to defend the UK against PTOers, you cried about not being high up in cabinet when you had no experience, one of your congressmen who you didn't support was blacklisted for being naughty, and your party refused to join our forums because you yourself were banned for leaking sensitive info. Why are you reminding people of your mistakes?
betafoxtrot is ...... TUP
Danie> The PTOer (one who gave CS to Irishtypes) was let in by Keers and Talon
> At no point did I request/ask/plead/expect a cabinet post and my lust for power or titles can be similarly be dismissed in articles such as "Lets give Alfa all the medals (spoiler: I refused) and the various honour threads.
> There are no blacklists either in the eUK or UKPP as there is no kick buttahn from a party
> I have never been banned from the forums ( I was deleted on request) so thats a crock too.
As a detective you are definatly more Gadget then Poirot.
Lmao..we had official Government article hatchet job yesterday and yet when a defence featuring the same header appears for irony its propaganda.
Beta thats the same irony that you said was okay to use the word n*gger with...irony eh?
''Mmmm using official code for party propaganda'' - Kravenn
If your talking about Betas organised bile in association with talon last night then i agree with you.
Debate is good hugh, it's a shame you seem to want it stifled on account of it being in a particular article.
The header is obviously a joke lol, he uses the UKPP ones 1/4 of the way in so it's not like he is trying to pass this off as UK Today... of course you guys know that but want something to be outraged at to cover your own misdeeds.
Awesome article. Much more eloquent than me.
The header was quite funny, you should amend the bottom bit to this though...
~Alfagrem
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> Giving someone citizenship isn't deeming them fit to run for congress. That's your job.
> You may not have pleaded for cabinet posts, but your party members did despite having no experience, then you cried when UKPP didn't get them.
>It was a blacklist against running for congress, something you could do by running blockers.
>You would have been banned from congress forums for leaking, even if you deleted your account first,
Not really Talon, but it must gaul you and your luvvies not being able to delete comments, lock threads or hand out infractions when we disagree : D
But I would expect better from you than encouraging Government Articles to wield your axe, TUP ones fair enough...but i guess its easier to be negative and play the victim card this way.
>You would have been banned from congress forums for leaking, even if you deleted your account first,
Like Kravenn when he was PP of TUP and used postings in sensitive sections of the forums for the use of TUP election PM's?
No Hugh, TUP are the "right" people and are allowed to do it 😃
This will end with the destruction of the eUK as we no it, for better or for worse?
It's an odd one, as I agree that the forum admins are massively lazy and a bit power crazed, but I never made the leap into the New Era and saw it as a TUP vs The Common Man type affair, and I can also see how New Era are using the forum as there only piece of policy.
Do something simple TUP and ask your members to stop being mods/admins. Don's army will then have no ammunition and most probably collapse under the strain of thinking up non-populist media articles/rhetoric.
It's ridiculous to note that I could have posted that comment under most of the top 5 articles and it not seemed out of place.
After the stick Goku has been given for vote buying ukpp go and do it and noone says anything
howdyho, your mistaken. UKPP have MANY times been blasted for vote buying amongst other things. The difference between UKPP and NewEra is the fact UKPP have already been down the path NewEra are seemingly heading right now. We've had the fights, the accusations, the forum threads, the articles, the defamation of characters. You will now go through the trails and tribulations that we went through. Embrace it, welcome it and mostly importantly dont get all butthurt have some fun with it!
and never confirm or deny anything......after a while the other side go batshit insane with their accusations to the point where they are wearing straightjackets and spouting slogans, lies and conspiracy theory.
Example "You would have been banned from congress forums for leaking, even if you deleted your account first, "
I wasn't in congress at time of (requested) deletion and the only law I broke whilst previously in congress was unpunished as it was deemed expedient (impeachment of Kevy).
If your lie was even remotly true then you'd have a list of links to threads showing where leakers went unpunished (thatcher, Frerk, etc...)
I was just saying what people in the threads you linked to were saying, assuming that was why you linked to them.
Alphabethis beta is one of ESO greatest members dont try and label him "TUP".Just because he is oldfag and actually helping the euk
It would be the same as me saying your Goku
Unfortunately hugh I could do that here too, but as with the forums I choose not to. It's a shame you think I've been deleting your posts, I really haven't!
Anyway, you wouldn't have been banned Alfa, idk who's been saying you would have been.
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Sorry for accusing you if thats the case Talon, It has happened though sadly.
You can delete comments on articles (as well as entire articles) too, so that's demolished the "unfair forum moderation lets use articles" argument.
Time to re-invest in the tinfoil hats industry :3
When I see actual productive policy then I'll start taking this seriously
o/
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Hey guys, remember when Alfagrem switched to Canada like a little bitch and fought to keep us wiped?
Yeah, that. I brought it up
Wow that is really horrible and negative GameChanger, shame on you. It is positivity week.
alfagrem is like an uber citizen