[ONE] Clarifications on Sweden and Poland
Siddy Tramero
Warning: Lenghty Article.
EDIT: Format errors fixed.
EDIT: TL😉
R version at the end
Greetings.
My name is Siddy and I'm the Secretary General of ONE.
Considering you probably had heard comments on the situation of Sweden and Poland, and those have been biased
comments, I'll try to give you a brief explanation of everything that happened and how things are being solved.
I'll also try to adress all the concerns that were adressed to me and things not true that were said.
Although I think that dirty things must be keeped behind nice curtains, that is not possible anymore due to the logs of a private meeting being published in public by Jegarmister. That's just one of the many irresponsible things done in the past days.
This is the recall of the entire history.
1. At the end of March Snaskefar (March Swedish Country President (CP) ) asked me on "a TW".
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This conversation was the only one on the "contract" and was taken by Snaskefar as word that I've approved the contract with Germany. That is an obvious lie as I was misled to think that it was just a TW where sweden would get fish and fruits, and never the fact that Denmark would be "protected" was mentioned, nor the formal agreement. Also notice that Snaskefar never wanted ONE approval, but to start the TW on their own without ONE approval, a thing I agreed on.
2. At the beggining of April the contract appeared from nowhere. ONE had not approved it, but we neither acted against it. We told Sweden though that we could not and would not guarantee those terms as ONE. We told Sweden a zillion times not to attack Saxony in any case.
One of the many examples of this case
01[19:28] <&Siddy[HQ][SG]> also
01[19:28] <&Siddy[HQ][SG]> Lonestar[SWE-MoD]
01[19:28] <&Siddy[HQ][SG]> can you assure
01[19:28] <&Siddy[HQ][SG]> that sweden won't attack saxony?
11[19:29] <@Lonestar[SWE-MoD]> Siddy[HQ][SG], this is our deal with Germany
[19:29] <@Lonestar[SWE-MoD]> 2. Sweden will hold 3 regions: Schleswig-Holstein and Hamburg, Brandenburg and Berlin, Mecklenburg Western-Pommerania. These regions will not be given up at any moment to any other country.
[19:29] <@Lonestar[SWE-MoD]> So ye, we waont
[19:29] <@Lonestar[SWE-MoD]> Maybe just one day if we get the bonusregions fast and not be able to end the NE
[19:29] <@Lonestar[SWE-MoD]> But then we will RW it fast
[19:30] <&Ivan_Kersovic[ONE]> just attack some other region
[19:30] <&Ivan_Kersovic[ONE]> don't attack saxony
[19:30] <&Ivan_Kersovic[ONE]> you border others
[19:30] <&Ivan_Kersovic[ONE]> if you attack saxony it will be like waving a red flag at the bull
Thaimat gets elected as new Swedish CP.
3. After some days, Thaimat disappears completely, and no one apparently has its password, anoter big mistake from Swedish govt. Lemlin is acting CP and Thaimat gets impeached and succeded by the next president, who is a 2clicker. No one has the account of the 2clicker either except him, but he doesn't log often.
4. The 16th Poland NEs Germany and in #swe.mofa Poland and Sweden talk on the regions they should take. Poland wants BaB to secure a 2-wide corridor to Germany and Sweden want to keep their fruit region. I offer an agreement in which Sweden keeps BaB for the time being and if Poland considers in a week that Saxony is too difficult to mantain in a RW we would meet again to discuss it. Both sides accept it. That agreement left Sweden with both bonuses. I tell them again to NOT attack Saxony.
5. The swedish 2clicker CP doesn't log in all the day and the autoattack kicks in considering that nobody had their password. In a terirble stroke of bad luck the autoattacked region is Saxony, which Germany proptly loses by hitting in Swedish side.
6. Thomas765 (Military Commander of ONE) and I (Secretary General of ONE) decide to RW Brandemburg and Berlin so the Polish NE to pass and Sweden could RW Saxony so they could recover BaB eventually. We set orders in BaB to hit
for Germany
7. Swedish Minister of Defence Lonestar, who had access to the ONE orders doc due to being a permanent adviser in the HQ, when neither I or Thomas765 were online, and without any permission from me, Thomas765 or the other two MCs ShadowStalkerr or Marvin`, decided to TAMPER the ONE official orders as a High Priority battle editing the
"FIGHT FOR GERMANY" to "FIGHT FOR SWEDEN"
8. Not content with this, Sweden, trough their Minsitry of Defence, hires Mercenaries with Swedish public money to fight AGAINST ONE orders.
9. Maniek M, a known Polish Troll, launches a NE proposal against Sweden. Lots of congressmen vote for in spite of this meaning Poland would lose all their ONE MPPs and their chance to help allies in a completely irresponsible move.
10. Sweden launches it's own NE in retaliation, but gets voted down
11. The famous meeting where the logs were leaked was held.
At this time it was clear that the "Swedish Govt" wasn't in control of Sweden. My first proposal was:
17:46] <@SGiddy> HQ would like to propose the following plan
[17:46] <@SGiddy> 1. we RW Saxony ASAP and put it as highest priority
[17:46] <@SGiddy> 2. Poland NEs Germany again
[17:47] <@SGiddy> 3. The nearest free day, we RW BaB and Poland gets it
[17:47] <@SGiddy> Yesterday I did say that it was not necessary to RW BaB right now until we saw a risk of us not achieving the wanted result on a battle
[17:47] <@SGiddy> today just happened that
[17:47] <@SGiddy> that justifies RWing BaB away
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[17:49] <@SGiddy> [18:32] <@SGiddy> Swedish govt
[17:49] <@SGiddy> [18:32] <@SGiddy> is 100% to blame
[17:49] <@SGiddy> [18:32] <@SGiddy> for it
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[17:49] <@SGiddy> Sweden will not have a region that can block Poland until they show they can have a govt not to blame of things
That is, Sweden loses fruit in order to give Poland safety and Sweden could recover their fruit region when they had a valid govt again.
Poland does not agree on it and PierreDzoncy starts, blided by rage, to throw shit everywhere without listening anyone. I stopped reading the channel until Pierre calmed, which took a while.
Sweden meanwhile, suggests Poland to take their route trough Slovakia, making Slovakia lose bonus so Sweden could keep the bonus they risked due to swedish sheer govt incompetence.
The meeting was, mostly, Bullshit by both sides and a show of how diplomacy has degenerated along with the game.
At last, PierreDzoncy comes with a rather revanchist offer who is accepted by all sides.
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[18:41] <@SGiddy> well
[18:41] <@SGiddy> HQ accepts those terms
[18:41] <@strider_gospodar> PierreDzoncy: it's accepted by all parties
Those terms were agreed by Jegarmister in behalf of Sweden. Jegarmister NEVER said that they would have to be
ratified by congress or CP.
Lonestar gets kicked from the channel at the request of Jegarmister, who said that would destroy the meeting and that he was no MoD anymore.
Polish MoFA starts redacting a lenghty article on the situation. We find Swedish MoFA who also agrees
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So everyone is happy and I can go to sleep.
12. Jegarmister reappears denouncing the already published article because Congress must accept it (a thing he didn't notice us when he accepted). Most plausible explanation: Seen that Swedish population was against and did a populist (and idiot) move to save his ass. He takes logs of the whole meeting and gives them to Snaskefar, who makes them public. Thus, Jergarmister and Snaskefar join the club of "people who should not get a mile near a govt" along Lonestar and Thaimat.
13. RWs keep getting opened at Slesvig by Very-Fast-Clicking-TEDEN-members
14. I write this shit after being laughed at by dermont.
SO:
1. ONE will keep the agreement and try to provide Poland a passage to Germany
2. ONE is open and willing to make a new agreement which gives Sweden both Fish and Fruit as long as Sweden has a stable, real, CP-capable Govt.
3. In any case any nation can be held collectively responsible for a bad government or congress decision. That is specially true by Sweden, as they cannot be held forever responsible for the lacking of their non-govt.
and my personal conclusions are:
1. Sweden has broken the ONE charter more times than I can count. That's rather surprising seeing how concerned they are on not breaking their agreement with Germany
2. Sweden has no govt and it has shown it several times. That's the main thing to blame, the non-govt of Sweden. I think that a satisfactory option with Sweden having fruit will be reached easily as soon as they get a decent govt. I will happily stop complaining on Spanish govts being the worst ever after this show.
3. Indonesia gives free weekly classes on Diplomacy. I reccommend some polish statesmen to take those.
4. IMHO the final polish offer is not logical. I expect waters to calm down and an alternative offer to be adopted. The NE vote was also non logical.
5. Lonestar was obviously kicked from ONE HQ.
6. I have been threatened to be banned from the game from my statements on I having used CP accounts to attack at bad times or to control them in cases they disappear. Of course I have done that but everyone did and keeps doing it today. What's more ironical is that I guess the threat comes from TEDEN whcih wants to ban me, when every time I logged into a former Spanish CP account but one was when Spain was in EDEN and with the allowance and blessing of the EDEN HQ at that time. In any case, if I get banned from this idiotic show of papism and application of idiotic rules by a bunch of people who tollerate known botmasters who take pride on that, dermont should send the bouquet of flowers to Snaskefar and Jagermister.
Att
Siddy
Secretary General of ONE.
Comments
POPCORN MODE ON
PERTAMAX
POPCORN
tl;dr
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Siddy, try agai, please.
My eyes hurt reading these broken lines!
POPCORN
Not only troll but 4 times Polish MoFA, 1 time Polish CP, 2 times Bolivian MoFA and ofc an enemy of swEDEN !
It's against the rules to sit presidents accounts, doing this can get you banned
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@ManiekM
You forgot to ad😛 a well known thief
Larm we all know that Lonestar had passes to almost all of swedish CP accounts. This is well known fact like that one with neverending war - Serbia vs Croatia.
Well. Nothing justifies being an idiot. And both Poland and Sweden brought mostly idiots to these meetings.
Give us Cerber back. Give us Valnad back. Give us StrozeR back. Give us Vingaer back. And Lonestar calm down.
GregoryG I was. Listen to me you should. The Force with you may be.
swedish traitors
So Siddy,
You proved your self to be a retard.
Good for EDEN i guess but ONE will go down like Titanic ...
Forget about the popcorn, come join me and we share a nice speyside, sit back and watch the show
In short, Sweden is weaker than Poland, so SWEDEN BAD, POLAND GOOD.
Siddy, try agai, please.
My eyes hurt reading these broken lines!
Tremeda +1....
Larms 900% right so point 3. is completly uhm retarded... to say it nice 😛
and can someone please show us the proof that Lonestar bought merc for his own money?
until then that is also false.
There so much terrible "fact" in this article it's just lulz
Maniek, lets just agree we hate each other.
Siddy, a big thanks to you. This is the first reasonable thing i have read in this whole conflict, that including the stuff i written myself. (I mostly threatened to start impeachments of whole Swedish gov, and called Maniek bad words) And yeah, if you need a new swede in a meeting, I'm nicking GreveFrog @ Rizon. Not part of the current gov thought, might be a good thing currently.
"4. IMHO the final polish offer is not logical. I expect waters to calm down and an alternative offer to be adopted. The NE vote was also non logical."
Like you said -> its your OPINION 🙂. Our opinion is that this agreement is in order. Poland gets the regions, Sweden gets the regions. I see no need for renegotiation.
Regards
MoFA of ePoland.
The SG is Smee so dont listen this EDEN propaganda.
Also I am a proven leader. CP, SG etc. So I am willing to be Swedish President if requested. Contact me on rizon if you want someone as Swe CP who actually plays the game.
Regards
MoFA of ePoland.
Good God.
Slapface:
[17:57] SGiddy, in BaB Swedish Forces have been fighting for Sweden and we have hired alot of mercs the entire day,
I'll add it into the article, I didn't want it to get full of quotes. If you have any other concern please adress it to me.
Last Straw: Well, the Swedish opinion is that it is flawed bigtime and that we rather get invaded. The government will be impeached if they try to officially sign it.
This article sounds like Bulgaria-Turkey problem in EDEN 😃😃
galenaadrea: Not a single Bulgarian or EDEN rep was as rude, aggressive or tyrannical as Last Straw was in the full log.
Sweden getting fucked by poland...
[17:46] 1. we RW Saxony ASAP and put it as highest priority
[17:46] 2. Poland NEs Germany again
[17:47] 3. The nearest free day, we RW BaB and Poland gets it
[17:47] Yesterday I did say that it was not necessary to RW BaB right now until we saw a risk of
Sweden, join your Norse brothers.
HAIL SWEDEN
HAIL NORWAY
HAIL FINLAND
HAIL GERMANY
Ovejo, un resumen en català no hay?
Much better now, thx.
Siddy, I like your sense of humor. Keep writing, though... where is the music?
Pierre, mogę zerknąć na ten fragment jak się rozkręcasz? Potrafisz być wyjątkowo elokwentny w tym stanie...
About the regions
When we all stop gasping and running around like a headless chicken, it will be the right time to talk about regions, bonuses and so on.
LastStraw:
find solution please: we don't need MWP and SHaH. Maybe in future we could left BaB as well. Calm down - we need your clear mind right now
Dear Swedes
take your fault as written above and start create new quality in PL-SWE relations. We were great friends and we could be again. Do you want this?
"3. Indonesia gives free weekly classes on Diplomacy. I reccommend some polish statesmen to take those."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, yep we should try that.
Sweden is responsible for current situation. People who deny this statement are Swedes and Croatians. Sounds like it's approved then.
6. Thomas765 (Military Commander of ONE) and I (Secretary General of ONE) decide to RW Brandemburg and Berlin so the Polish NE to pass and Sweden could RW Saxony so they could recover BaB eventually. We set orders in BaB to hit for Germany
Wrong, it would not have worked, since you didn't have enough time to RW BaB before the NE was over.
In opposite to what you have told the whole day... nor ONE HQ nor PL GOV agree to your deal with Germark. Keep in mind that if you stick to this agreement with them, you will be seen as traitors.
WHEN DID OLES GET INTO ONE'S HQ?!?!?!?!?!
8. Actually it was Germany who hired mercs
@Tejku, I'll say it again,it takes two to tango.
Friends, yes. Threatened,balckmailed and kept on a leash, NO!
ilphen: OBJECTION! We still had NE on Germany. Admins have deleted it after sending tickets to them.
Not a single Bulgarian or EDEN rep was as rude, aggressive or tyrannical as Last Straw was in the full log.
Agreed, even so that he is busy licking a polish bumhole
So you think it is better to make allies military plans impossible to fullfil? Where is "blackmailing"? Poland just wanted to do what is really needed. I think that eventually, we would agree for one-region-wide path to resources, but you made it even impossible to attack Germany. We are angry and we're right in this case.
@Alatom: I explain you too - we already agree that you will keep fruits in BaB - your gov waste it. We want to be friends with you, however you couldn't sign treaty which were created directly against PL - without any explanation. As I told you and Siddy wrote it again - Nor PL nor ONE knows your TRUE plans - friends don't act like this
14. I write this shit after being laughed at by dermont.
ilphen: OBJECTION! We still had NE on Germany. Admins have deleted it after sending tickets to them.
Yea but the NE proposal would have been over while BaB was still running... soo no border.. NE closed..
Mmm POPCORN
I still wonder why no one from Poland cared about the Saxony battle. If it would have been that important for you, well why didnt you fight for Germany then, but completely ignore the battle?
Also: Read this: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/germany-sweden-poland-2011379/1/20
@Trejku , You can't hold Sweden responsible for some perverse paranoia that Poland or ONE has in regard to our "true plans".
Our plan was to get some extra bonuses, and we got them a few weeks back.
I suggest you take a step back, try to look at the situation with fresh eyes and apply the occam's razor principle on the situation.
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Everyone just stop being dicks in 3, 2, 1... Can we get along now?
@Alatom:
"paranoia that Poland or ONE has in regard to our "true plans"."
rea😛
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/schwedenvertrag-erkl-auml-rt-swedish-treaty-explained--2000496/1/20
this was your purpose - only this one I hope.
But I know you are not idiots so don't tell me that you didn't realized why Germark gives you regions for free. And this part was secret - TW is not the same as treaty to "protect" Germany. In this point you betray PL and ONE.
I know why you do it - but please tell it clearly, because this lies are boring.