[India]Thoughts from a non-troll
ligtreb
Dear India,
If you know anything about me, you know I'm not a troll, look up my history. I've feuded with SEES in the past, I am not going to post pictures of cows or stereotypes here, I'm trying to be reasonable.
That being said, I felt the need to write this to portray a more rational point of view from someone on the other side. Also note that I hold no position in our President's administration and I don't work for our MoFA. I speak only for myself, but from what I've been reading, many Americans share the same views I do.
I am extremely disappointed in the actions of India's government, and this bothers me even more because I personally fought for India. I enjoyed fighting against Indonesia and Iran, your former occupiers, and used my own funds for weapon upgrades. Fighting for a country's liberty is one of the most fun parts of this game, and India was a worthy cause to fight for.
Since then, I was saddened by how the end of Karnataka rental was handled, but hoped our countries would continue to work together. Now, in the last couple of days, I question if that is possible.
I was willing to believe you when you said it the President who let Serbia swap through Malaysia was acting on his own and didn't have the support of the Indian people. But if that's the case, why is India accepting peace with Serbia?
http://www.erepublik.com/en/India/law/49365
19-4, it wasn't even a close vote. India could have fought against an ally of its former occupiers and helped out the Southeastern Asian countries at risk because of Serbia's presence there. Instead, the war is now closed.
I know you don't like America, but what about Malaysia? It saddens me that India put its Southeastern Asian friends at risk by closing the war against Serbia.
That wasn't what bothered me the most though:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/India/law/49482
India's government accepting an alliance with Hungary 23-1 confuses me. I understand that India says it wants to be a neutral country, I respect neutrality. Neutrality isn't being friends with one of the main countries in an alliance working against the interests of countries in need in Southeast Asia. Neutrality isn't signing an MPP with a country that is in the same alliance as Indonesia and Iran, who used to occupy you. Even if you think the USA was bad to you, at least the USA tried to work with you and paid you rent (thousands of gold worth). What has Hungary, Serbia, Indonesia or Iran done for India?
I apologize for my rant, but I would like honest answers. I know India has every right to worry about its security, but I know what it is like to have your country constantly under threat. My country was down to only one region a year ago, and things looked bleak. But we never stopped fighting. To this day, the USA is under constant PTO threat from the Hungarians and Pizza the Hut. But we don't try to be allies with our enemies, we fight them.
Note that America is far from the only country that feels this way. Your MoFA published articles in China, Croatia, Romania and Spain, explaining India's defense. Read the comments, they support America even though the USA is not in EDEN.
China: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-china-some-explanations--1530654/1/20
Croatia: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-croatia-some-explanations--1530657/1/20
Romania: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-romania-some-explanations--1530658/1/20
Spain: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-spain-some-explanations--1530659/1/20
From Liquid Oxygen:
Tell that to us eMalaysian expats who were run out of our country by your actions. You're not looking out for your best interests, you're merely puppets. You've made your beds, now lie in them.
From The Samurai:
If a eChina president grants access to Serbia, he will be instantly impeached, and beaten to death in RL
I think why this really bugs me is that India is starting turn into the UK. Remember them? I'm old enough to remember when they were allies of the USA and EDEN countries, then they let Hungary swap through and are now in Phoenix. The UK became significant for a short period because of the switch, but can you think of the last relevant thing the UK has done? That was over a year ago, and the UK has been irrelevant and useless since. I hope the same thing doesn't happen to India.
I apologize for the length of this article. This is something I feel passionate about would like to hear the thoughts of Indians, Americans and citizens of the world.
Comments
polee¿
Thanks for writing this article, Ligtreb.
>I was willing to believe you when you said it the President who let Serbia swap through Malaysia was acting on his own and didn't have the support of the Indian people.
I just got to there and would like to explain that if someone is hacked, they usually go the quickest/easiest route for the hacker to get to his goal. When the "hack" happened, the hacker took a nice leisurely route that didn't do too much to the Indian people. Sure does smell like cow in here.
tnx
:'( I'm crying manly tears of sadness/hatred. Who knows maybe the UK will morph into eIndia someday, maybe it is just the circle of life. (Breaks into song)
exactly my thoughts... i even PMd them with these questions like 8 hours ago they didnt reply lol
Delete India.
Couldn't agree with you more 😮
:'(
lol, cant believe i still didnt sub you yet. subbed
Ligtreb, you are giving them more respect than is their due. They call any 'non-Indian' article a troll article. They don't disern between an appeal to reason like this from a player of integrity such as yourself. The better angels of their nature are some melodramatic roleplying derived set of principles that only they understand.
Good article but they will look this gift horse in the mouth and continue to clod the path they are on.
I was the ambassador to India last year. I liked them then. Their feigned offendedness and outrages at our dealings with Karnataka created the environment that blinded a sincere desire of neutrality. I have no respect left for these people. Their double dealing deserves to be called out and they deserve to be pushed into a the diplomatic quagmire they are creating.
Good article though.
ligtreb, go home :😁
Thanks for writing this article ligtreb X2
Soon, the Glorious resurgent Pakistani Empire will turn India into a wasteland of steaks.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/sure-is-neutral-in-here-1531308/1/20 just found this article by jpj ._.
Iseutz, your points are well taken. However both the actions with the Serbs and Hungarians speak louder and words - particularly with the overwhelming mandate from the Indian Congress.
An alliance with Hungary is like walking up to a tiger and grabbing it by both ears. There's an "oh, sh**!" moment, followed by the realization it would be unwise to let go.
India has definitely grabbed the tiger...and if war comes, let it come.
ligtreb speaks the truth.
Fitisin, the congress is up to 50% inactive from the start or are TOer and the rest normally follow whatever comes from the pres. the problem isn't the congress, the problem aren't the citizens, the problem atm is the leadership. and even the current gov isn't evil or treacherous, there is just too much work, there are too much threats so the decisions are the result of a long line of difficult events too. (and just for the records, i may not like the 'how', but i totally agree with the 'why')
eindia isnt a developed country like eusa, with its different parties, paramilitia, its great gov organization and also the big number of players. its a small country that is used to fight to survive for nearly a year now. this has severe consequences, it brings results we all witness and somehow regret now. while eden/usa were involved in india, things was manageable, but many players left and the interest faded, mainly because of 'rising'. and so things went out of hands. but instead to consider all these events, the crowd and even leading politicans gone mad and can think of nothing else than punishment because of 'betrayal' and whatnot.
you say actions speak louder than words, and i agree with you - but this takes effect for everybodies actions and decisions...
and for now, gn8 😁
Wipe India off the map. I will eat steak in Karnataka! lol
@Ligtreb: I really appreciate that some Americans came here to discuss issue logically.
Let me just tell you few issues:
1) How swap happened no one knows except person who did it and Serbian elites. We couldn't even impeach our president becoz he did it on 4th. No one ever thought that our prez who was quitting erep exactly after his term .... can actually do this ?? make sense if you ask me. He doesn't care becoz he won't be playing erep anymore.... he went away leaving mess to us.... or say some action n fun.
2)MPP with USA. Again I said in article, it was USA govt who refused. I have log and proof that how your president himself trolls in our country.
3) I stated very clearly that we respect everyone who fought for us.
4) Hungary MPP came just becoz SEES or say DIOists stand at our door shouting foul n curse and suddenly new module gives them huge power.
5) About neutrality, we r only country which have phoenix & eden MPP
6) We stopped EREP most powerful country on our border for months...... fighitng PTO n threats .... that doesn't count?
My dear friends, We r not enemy .... we r fighting n we shall continue fighting ..
war7: I did reply to your message, but when u message it was late night in India, atleast u shld have waited till morning before you shout that u didn't get reply.
Dear friends,
I personally came out to every friend ... every country... why? to get trolled ??
No, Coz India cares for its friends and I am sure, they care for India. They will understand that country who r small n neutral have to take certain steps ... which can be termed as hard
eMalaysia gets to suffer under the yoke of eSerbian PTO and now Oppression due to eIndia and its leaders.
There isnt a level of hell deep enough for you people to inhabit. Enjoy being Jr. part 2... and when your tired of being pawns, dont call us cause we sure as hell wont call you.
I stand by this man, Ligtreb, and his words. India, as someone who put forth the utmost effort to create a strong and positive relationship, even going so far to call your leadership bros (a term close to us eAmericans) on many occasion, I just find myself fed up. You had great leadership at that time, but terrible people. The leadership recognized what had to be done to see a free India, and the people complained because their home regions were not in India for a few days.
Now I see a reversal, where the leadership is full of bickering bigots or overworked good men and women and are heavily criticized as if it was filled with a full cabinet. In this reversal, the leadership may have not only alienated EDEN (and the USA especially...recall now that we no long sympathize with any occupation of your nation...though we would gladly lose our nation to China, Malaysia, or Australia and we have *proved* this for over a year on the battlefield) but may also have lined up the exact events that happened to the eUK. Used so the big boys can get what they want, and then thrown on the back-burner and never considered. You will get the same "lack of communication" from Phoenix HQ as you accused us and EDEN of giving. It is your attitudes India, not us.
As I recall, a nation far smaller than you, Finland, has some of the most weight in EDEN decisions. This is because of the nation's general attitude towards the alliance and her cause, and it is this nation that I had hoped India would replace with V2. I was wrong. And for that, I will not make that mistake again.
o> India. Best of luck to Shail, David, and others who continue the good fight.
Also:
"6) We stopped EREP most powerful country on our border for months...... fighitng PTO n threats .... that doesn't count?"
You did so not by yourself. Your true allies of the time helped. I know for a fact that during many months I was one of tens to nearly a hundred that flocked to India for a chance to save you from both Iranians and Serbians. Never claim this as a 100% Indian operation, even nations as China and Malaysia (under their own PTO threat) have helped India.
Thanks for writing this article ligtreb X3
And yes I forgot about Karnataka:
We all wish that, that deal should have been handled more properly. But as I pointed, Deal wasn't a gift from USA to India... or any act of good will ..... it was just a business deal.
Many countries including Poland wants to rent it.
Jewitt: I never claimed it was 100% Indian always but I hav seen last few months at least when it was 80% Indian.
Jewitt: We right now all I can say, may be you guys will be able to see big picture in future..... and I am sure, friends will be friends again.
@Turd Fergusen and @Dio Maksas, come to india, will feed both of you pakists pork, special only for you
@Glove delete yourself pakist troll or else eat ham and get a brain
Hell yeah, that's how you treat the one who've actually saved you!
>"eMalaysia gets to suffer under the yoke of eSerbian PTO and now Oppression due to eIndia and its leaders.
There isnt a level of hell deep enough for you people to inhabit. Enjoy being Jr. part 2... and when your tired of being pawns, dont call us cause we sure as hell wont call you."
SIGNED AS HARD AS I POSSIBLY CAN!
@nicholas2000 Most Indians dont support this alliance, dont go overboard in blaming all indians for the faults of crooked among us
Well in your media and as well as ours, Indians are blameing the eUSA for all their problems. Without us, you would have been PTO'd many months ago anyway. Hope we can get Karnataka again, this time, no rent...
"3) I stated very clearly that we respect everyone who fought for us."
Then you compartmentalize extremely well, because the rest of your actions and words don't reflect it.
Soon, the Glorious resurgent Pakistani Empire will turn India into a wasteland of steaks. x2
@Samuel Roth You pakists were begging for aid from India after the floods, now showing your true colours, shame on you
Good article, voted!
nice work from Penix mofas,congrats
@hoysala...chill out dude...
@hoysala
stop mixing RL with erep. ePakistan has basically no real pakistanis in it.
India just got trolled, hard.
o/
terrific work, ligtreb!
Shout and post link of this important article
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-an-evaluation-of-the-current-situation--1531619/1/20
Iseutz is right. India is not to blame for this, their government is... But still, there is no protest against these actions either...
Indian government abandoned Malasya, and for me it is better to be erased by your constant PTO enemies (Serbia) then turn your back to Croatia and USA and other EDEN allies... and your asian neighbours...
Also you could have refused USA MPPs if you are so offended by their trolls and SEES policies but you could have also stand by your real allies, or by your choice of "neutrality" not let Serbia and Phoenix take your country easy way so they don't need to PTO you... i dont understand that "neutrality"
If you are affraid of PTO, you don't do exactly that which your PTOers want!
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I totally love you guys. Seriously. I never even had to comment here. *Manly tears.*
Ashwa Speaks 😃
Ashwamedh how can you say that we didn't help with aPTO... we are here couple of months, always respecting eIndia's choice of neutrality... we work here, even have some companies... voting on every election for your choice or shlivovitza party... We had great relationship, we help free eIndia, and you gave us tax return when we were erased... there is number of examples for that... Jelen lead your country...
This is not about eIndia-eUSA relationship... this is about BETRAYAL of your other allies and your southern neighbours... Either your government did it, or you are PTOd, but it's still betrayal!
Greetings from eCroatia