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[IBC]Goku Jones, Populist Propagandist or Pioneering Politician?

Day 1,807, 13:50 by Horatio I


EDITED FOOTNOTE!

Goku Jones, Populist Propagandist or Pioneering Politician?

I recently invited Don Dapper, King Hannibal and Goku Jones for an interview.

Dapper and Hannibal failed to respond, only Goku agreed to the following interview.

Horatio-
How did you come to be involved in the New Era movement?

Goku Jones-
When I came back to the UK it was the most fresh and exciting
party around, so I joined to check it out.

Horatio-
What did you find there that made you feel this was the party for you?

Goku Jones-
[It is] Full of new players with hopes and dreams and wasn't told what to do by the Forum Elite.

Horatio-
New Era is opposed to any government running the eUK using external interfaces not directly connected to the game? Would you say this is correct?

Goku Jones-
no
Author's Note: Slightly contradicting their website which states 'Tired of the same old muppets running your game, away from your game.'

Horatio-
Then the party only has a problem with the current forum and it's moderation/administration team?

Goku Jones-
We belive(sic) that most communication should be done within the game, some things are not practical to do with the current ingame tools so we use external tools free from excessive moderation.

Horatio-
Has the party considered trying to reform the way the current external forums are moderated to what you feel would be a more suitable environment?

Goku Jones-
Nobody should have the right to lock discusisons(sic), delete posts or threaten bans for not following petty rules or taking discussion into uncomfertable(sic) places. (part of previous answer)
The staff at the biggest external forum have made it clear that nothing is up for discussion.
They don't lock their own threads or threaten their own party members so they see no problem.
Paticularily(sic) worrying is their failure to take action against users who use racist or homophobic language because they are moderators.

Horatio-
Do you have pictures of this?

Goku Jones-
There is one here: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-policy-we-need-to-talk-about-the-forum--2138423/1/20 Ask ACroc for the full details.
This is Invalidation saying that if ACroc insists on getting him a warning for (I think it was anti semitic(sic) language - not sure) then ACroc will stay getting bans for petty things.
This is why I was banned last year, it got to the stage where any little excuse would get me a warning.

Author's Note: All I see in that screenshot is Invalidation saying if Forum rules apply in that sub-forum (Not sure which one), then they must apply to everyone thus you'll be scoring an own goal

Horatio-
New Era has the slogan, 'Power to the people', how is this reflected in the way policy is conceived at New Era?

Goku Jones-
We listen to all of our members and don't have a party royalty weilding(sic) influence either accidental or on purpose. If you have a high up senior figure in an older party then people may just agree because they held that position for years and to fit in.

Horatio- But how does New Era ensure all opinions are heard, debated and agreed on before announcing a policy statement like the one found in http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/new-era-congress-team-2144468/1/20 ?

Goku Jones-
Those are some non controversial basic expectations of the PP, the TLDR is "work together". The detailed policy on specific topics will be worked on this month with the input via PM and IRC or all congressmen and any members who want to join in.
I don't think we need a debate on "do we do rogue proposals and citizenship or work as a team"

Horatio-
If I was a potential member of New Era reading this, I'd like to know how my voice will be heard and accounted for in the party system. Are you saying you don't yet have a process for policy creation?

Goku Jones-
If you want to have procedures where someone has to propose and then have a certain number of hours debating it where party old timers shout you down, then have nothign(sic) done at the end, you can join another party
If you want to just play the game, to propose something, tell us about it on IRC or your newspaper and get it done without boring endless red tape, New Era is for you!

Horatio- Okay, lets say I propose a war with Poland. Is that simply accepted? We go to war with Poland because I want it? I'm not understanding how New Era makes sure its inclusive of all its members if there is no open debate on policy.

Goku Jones-
You would have to convince all of our congressmen and 10 or more others to actually go to war.
Game mechanics.
f you wanted to actually have that be a long term aim of the party, you would just have to convince most of us and get us working towards it.
You want us to have a process where we propsoe(sic) and vote and have it stuck all pretty on our wiki page. I think we will likely just go for actions and get things actually done.

Horatio-
Okay, Thank you for your time Goku Jones!

I had plenty more questions to ask Goku but my patience ran out. As I'm sure you're aware reading this there are very little replies you could call answers. After the interview I went and made some food and a cup of tea, upon returning I found myself in the New Era IRC room in mid policy discussion. Possibly for Goku's newest article [Paid Votes]Goku for President.

The discussion went as follows,

Goku: "1. More X's for Y's so we can B"
New Era Gentlemen: "Good idea!"
Goku: "2. Less Z's, Y more often!"
New Era Gentlemen 2:"I completely agree"
(Although I left after discovering it was a private conversation, and did not take screenshots or logs. Someone else was there and did, so save yourselves the trouble of trying to refute this).

To me it seems the ingredients required for a New Era policies are not inclusiveness and constructive criticism, but as follows,

0 tbsp of Thought,
0 tbsp of Open mindedness,
0.01 tbsp of Debate,
10 tbsp of Ego boosting,
1 googleplex tons of Rhetoric nonsense.
Stir thoroughly till thick and gooey with delightfully sounding policies.
Throw it up on the news wall.
Purchase 100 or more votes.

Unfortunately, Goku decided to end the interview in a rather hostile manner.
http://prntscr.com/in0eq
[WARNING: Adult Language]
Sorry Goku, had you bothered to answer my questions I would of gladly asked more meatier questions..

I still extend the invitation to Dapper and Hannibal for interviews.


I also invite you to join The eUK Forums.

Crede quod habes, et habes.
His Majesty,
Horatio I, The unpopular


*All views expressed in this article are those of the authors and do not necessarily represent the views of The Unity Party.


Footnote

I'm not a TUP spokesperson, its not my job to defend TUP,
I'm nowt but a member and voter for TUP and will never be anything more for TUP.
I will not stand for congress, I will not attempt to be PP or CP because I'm not interested.
Before I declared support for TUP (which was very recent, in terms of my active life here in eRepublik) I belonged to a succession of fringe and reactionary parties like New Era.
Back then I thought I could run the country better than UKRP/TUP and that I had all the right ideas. I quickly discovered my good ideas where either
a) In practice,
b) Impracticable,
c) Nonsense

So after much due diligence, I joined The Unity Party because I saw they implanted ideas better than anyone else and despite me being a arse, accepted me with open arms and always happy to hear my ideas, no matter now benign and mental they could be....

I also like being called the Forum elite... I've never been very active, or even much liked on the forum,but I understand how important it is, the eUK has always been a small country full of dedicated and intelligent people when we work together, and we know we can punch above our weight. I used to be a distraction to the eUK's success and so now I will stand and hold accountable anyone doing the same.

I was not rude to, or about Goku and nor will I be. I am only stating what I see as I see it and nothing else. If Goku cannot tell me how a party that is formed, running and in congress with published policies, came to those policies then I'm left to the conclusion that instead of a collective perspective being used to construct policy it is a few people, in a chat room, boosting each others ego's and trying to halt the progress of this country for nonsense such as 'More weapon resource bonuses'.

That is all.

P.S
Chillax dudes, it's only a ... game ^_^
 

Comments

Bohemond4
Bohemond4 Day 1,807, 14:00

Voted. rofl.

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby Day 1,807, 14:05

Inb4angryGokuTrolling

Horatio I
Horatio I Day 1,807, 14:07

^

Alfagrem
Alfagrem Day 1,807, 14:36

Started of as actually intresting but then the authors bias/point of view/loyalty showed and it became part of the general drab.

Shame.....I actually had a flicker of excitment there for a second

Horatio I
Horatio I Day 1,807, 14:43

Alfa, I truly wanted to make a serious, open article, but with the material Goku gave me. It descended quickly to satire.

Niemand
Niemand Day 1,807, 14:54

I do not know any one without bias/point of view/loyalty. I cannot help it but someone that is a thief, multi user and vote buyer doesn't seem that good. Some however think he is very good, nice and positive and do support him. I am biased I think.

Voted!

Lord Lewis Cromwell
Lord Lewis Cromwell Day 1,807, 16:48

Loyalty is a bad thing, apparently.

Spygon
Spygon Day 1,807, 17:22

As always Goku doesn't know or care what New era stands for he is just ptoing them to get into power its kinda sad really.

I had good hopes for new era before they started harboring an self admitted liar,cheat and thief.

Goku has not got anywhere for a long time in this game without cheating,stealing or screwing people over.

Novarefuge
Novarefuge Day 1,807, 17:51

Someone message Goku and get him to read this, i'm lacking a few laughs today.

Aces man
Aces man Day 1,807, 18:52

Shame it's clearly bias.

Dr Hugh Jardon
Dr Hugh Jardon Day 1,807, 22:26

Horatio it was clear where you was going from the start...hatchet job. And one word was swearing...how about hostiity from your TUP CP in a cross party conference then? Or a senior long standing member and your PP saying people werent good enought for TUP and taking the p*ss out of their grammar. Or Woldy replying that a then current CP was a ''twat''...care to do a few comments on that? nah thought not

TUP people...the nice party as you can tell by this interview.

Dr Hugh Jardon
Dr Hugh Jardon Day 1,807, 22:27

Also doesnt TUP have rules about sharing publicly PM's? Does this relate to logs as well?

I wont expect an answer ; )

Dr Hugh Jardon
Dr Hugh Jardon Day 1,807, 22:30

Two out of the last three non TUP CP's have faced forum impeachment calls from TUP members started in threads...doesnt this look petty and spiteful considering the impeachments were never carried through?

Why are TUP opposed to a democratic citizenship committee made up of all the congress qualifying partys for just one man...a TUP member?

Dr Hugh Jardon
Dr Hugh Jardon Day 1,807, 22:33

Why is a TUP CP allowing illegal forum bans for ''spam/comments'' on ingame PM's and then not commenting on the ban or lifting it himself when he knows its illegal and has seen what has happened?

Dr Hugh Jardon
Dr Hugh Jardon Day 1,807, 22:33

...Horatio?

Dr Hugh Jardon
Dr Hugh Jardon Day 1,807, 23:12

Do you think TUP voters had the countrys best interests at heart or just TUP when they voted for Count Dracula over ESO's Big ant despite CD admitting he wouldnt be around for the first couple of weeks? Leaving the country without a CP? Good choice or petty move?

Horatio?

Dr Hugh Jardon
Dr Hugh Jardon Day 1,807, 23:16

Do you think its odd that two senior TUP regular government ministers - Iain Keers and Count Dracula do not even fight for our country and actually do no kills at all??? Call to arms and the shouts only matter to the little people in game eh? Do you tink this sends a message that TUP prefer to run our game away from the game? Do you think thats a great message to send to our allies as well?

''Yeah we'll sign an MPP with you but I'm not fighting for you''

Horatio?

Dr Hugh Jardon
Dr Hugh Jardon Day 1,807, 23:19

Do you call into question TUP and her members judgements when they put forward a congress leader who vanishes before he even takes the job? Or a TUP CP who chooses his successor who then leaves the game after he is exposed as someone with a past banned account? Or how about electing a TUP PP who then goes missing so you cant even withdraw a CP candidate who no longer wants to stand?

Horatio?

Dr Hugh Jardon
Dr Hugh Jardon Day 1,807, 23:37

Also regarding New Era chatroom...if you agree with something why is it wrong to type ''i agree''?

Does 'strength in Unity' mean anything? Or is it okay for TUP members to agree with TUP officials comments but not for other parties? If you want i can screenshot the strength in unity calls as proof of the lack of questions so dont deny it....Horatio?

TUP...as you see above...the nice party lmfao

Ayame Crocodile
Ayame Crocodile Day 1,808, 00:05

Horatio, While myself and Invalidation are now cool and things are definitely behind us you seem to misunderstand what was happening in that screenshot. I was highlighting to Invalidation that the forum rules still apply after asking him to stop posting anti semitic jokes at me and that if more were posted I'd start reporting them.

Ayame Crocodile
Ayame Crocodile Day 1,808, 00:09

Thus my comment which is quoted there.

However it was some joking that got out of hand and I took offence to and Invalidation has since taken it upon himself to apologise to me which was very gracious of him. ^ _ ^

What I learnt is that BBH is a dark dark place if you let a weakness be shown xD

Spygon
Spygon Day 1,808, 01:09

Obviously Horatio had gone to bed by 11.30 Hugh calm down and be patient.Do not just spam his comments asking him to comment when he was obviously not around it makes you look slightly crazy mate.

Horatio I
Horatio I Day 1,808, 01:27

A.Crocodile, I thought it was BBH, which is a pretty much a "anything goes" wild west, where nothing should be taken seriously. I'm glad its all sorted though! ^^

Hi Hugh, I've just met you, and this is crazy, so restraining order maybe?
Seriously Hugh, if you have that many points to make, write an article!

Niemand
Niemand Day 1,808, 01:43

Hugh the broken record... Under each article about TUP he places the same questions, even when they are answered on other places. He could ask these questions about his party leader and spokesmen too, but for that he has no interest. Hugh, you can change that. yes you can, but we cannot change it it seems.

Bohemond4
Bohemond4 Day 1,808, 01:43

Why is a TUP CP allowing illegal forum bans for ''spam/comments'' on ingame PM's and then not commenting on the ban or lifting it himself when he knows its illegal and has seen what has happened?

Hes professional. Mods don't comment on other bans, they review 'em and then life 'em if the feel it is deserved. If I saw two mods bitching about a ban, I would be disgusted. On any forum

Sven Goran Duran-Duran
Sven Goran Duran-Duran Day 1,808, 02:02

Niemand - Hugh's questions remain valid and unanswered imo.

Neil Lewis
Neil Lewis Day 1,808, 02:07

I've seem less biased reporting in The Daily Mail & The Guardian .. yawn

'Tired of the same old muppets running your game, away from your game.' doesn't sound to me that they are opposed to ANY government running things from an external forum just the TUP/ESO/UKRP clique. Should New Era & UKPP actually manage to take over, can we expect the forum mods to act with perfect neutrality? From what I read, it doesn't sound like it.

Bohemond4
Bohemond4 Day 1,808, 02:25

Hugh's questions remain valid and unanswered imo.

answered one for ya! Its called being on a TEAM. In what other forum would you expect mods/admins to complain about bans in front of each other? Oh, talking of bans: Hugh why did you never reply to my mail about the ban to you? I was ready to support you over it. But you never replied!

Bohemond4
Bohemond4 Day 1,808, 02:27

Why are TUP opposed to a democratic citizenship committee made up of all the congress qualifying partys for just one man...a TUP member?

I thought you wanted PP? Or has this suddenly changed...I would say TUP is opposed only because they tried it once and it didn't work, whereas Keers seems to be working moreso. Sure, have a committee, then keep them active on every application. Keers is a legend for looking at all applications that come through his door.

Bohemond4
Bohemond4 Day 1,808, 02:30

Do you think its odd that two senior TUP regular government ministers - Iain Keers and Count Dracula do not even fight for our country and actually do no kills at all

No. They might not like fighting. Nothing wrong with that, but Keers funds others to fight for the eUK. You cannot force them to fight, anyway. At least they are not fighting against us! lol

Bohemond4
Bohemond4 Day 1,808, 02:33

Also regarding New Era chatroom...if you agree with something why is it wrong to type ''i agree''?

Not at all. The article was purely commenting on the lack of debate, it was also satire and fairly amusing : ). No need to get worked up, if you all agree, thats cool and good on ya for coming to conclusions so quickly!

Bohemond4
Bohemond4 Day 1,808, 02:34

to agree with TUP officials comments but not for other parties?

I didn't know IRC was the place for the 'Official comments' : D. And TUP is nice, haha, I have had great banter there! Im sure NE is the same. If we could get past your hate, and our defensiveness born out of your hate, I am sure things would run much more smoothly.

You may call me V
You may call me V Day 1,808, 02:34

Sorry I only give interviews to proper journalist with a unbiased agenda

When I say proper , I look for the writer to have a little more that 27 subs , What does the writer offer ? I look at there past work and judge there skills, looking at piece of work I'm glad I passed this time , your TUP bias is clear to see , please don't waste my time again .

Don Dapper

Bohemond4
Bohemond4 Day 1,808, 02:36

I hope this answers questions, I left the ones I am personally incapable of answering due to ignorance of those events. Now, can we leave the dead horses behind and move on with actually living alongside one another? Or is this just too hard for us all, if so, that is sad :'(

Buck Taylor
Buck Taylor Day 1,808, 03:34

"(sic)" I think you mean [sic]

Horatio I
Horatio I Day 1,808, 04:11

No I mean (sic), [sic] is more popular in the US, but this isnt the US.

Dapper, I offered Goku the chance to promote New Era and he failed. If you're afraid you'll fail as well that's okay I understand.

Buck Taylor
Buck Taylor Day 1,808, 04:12

Yer know, since we're nit-pickin an' all about someone's ability to spell on the fly. Should be easy to get things perfect when you've got all the time in the world. Its a pretty standard and shabby trick high lighting mistakes with 'sic erat scriptum' (Or should that be [sic erat scriptum]?) to try and undermine what they're saying. Nothing wrong with correcting someone's spelling for your article. And if your wanting to roleplay the journo you could always ask first to be a real 'pro'

Horatio I
Horatio I Day 1,808, 04:26

I will not edit replies for an interview.

Buck Taylor
Buck Taylor Day 1,808, 04:32

Great excuse for ridicule.

Dr Hugh Jardon
Dr Hugh Jardon Day 1,808, 05:08

Apart from Behemonds and Niemands spin still no answers I see

And its ironic Horatio attacks others for not answering and when you ask him questions....you get called crazy lmao.

And Niemand i sound like a broken record because surprise surprise TUP never answer them thats why. Like Talon, he knew the ban was illegal so why didnt he tell his minister in a PM? No it was down to someone else to do it publicly. Erm...fact O7

Elvis Trout
Elvis Trout Day 1,808, 05:09

Woldy is racist all the time but no-one cares because it's against the french

Dr Hugh Jardon
Dr Hugh Jardon Day 1,808, 05:12

And according to Bohemond Keers is a legend...sycophant much? It still shows that TUP are mote interesting in taking the game away from the game through forum bans for harmless in game comments in PM's and not playing the game and just using the forums and IRC.

And as for lack of debate -

STRENGTH IN UNITY X23

Dr Hugh Jardon
Dr Hugh Jardon Day 1,808, 05:12

thats answers your question on that

Mr Woldy
Mr Woldy Day 1,808, 05:15

it'd be interesting to know precisely how many people are 'listened to' if their policy discussions take place on their elite IRC channel..

Dr Hugh Jardon
Dr Hugh Jardon Day 1,808, 05:16

No Buck. In the TUP ''family'' shoutbox two senior members were taking the piss out of non TUP members grammar anyway (screenshot available through Goku). Hatred and spite is inbuilt sadly as well as brainless devotion (TUP article comments - strength in unity but no questions) - see above article as well and denials to questions as well as refusing to answer. Lies are standard (see the one about Eno Live citizenship application being missed and not rejected)

Dr Hugh Jardon
Dr Hugh Jardon Day 1,808, 05:18

Woldy - you mean more 'strength in unity' calls?

Dr Hugh Jardon
Dr Hugh Jardon Day 1,808, 05:22

Bohemond - I hope this answers questions, I left the ones I am personally incapable of answering due to ignorance of those events. Now, can we leave the dead horses behind and move on with actually living alongside one another?

so questions again go unanswered s usual. As for getting along...articles like this dont help surely you agree with that? Or are deliberate attacks from TUP 'interviews' allowed?

Lord Lewis Cromwell
Lord Lewis Cromwell Day 1,808, 05:33

To be honest, some of us would rather see "Strength in Unity" than this series of repeated gibberish, Hugh. You can ask almost exactly the same questions of your own leadership in NE, perhaps you should also scrutinise them because you'll benefit more from that than this constant berating of a party you call yourself "opposition" to - I don't think your house is strong enough to support this kind of zealous bombardment on any other be they TUP or anyone.

Ironfists
Ironfists Day 1,808, 05:38

The discussion went as follows,

Goku: "1. More X's for Y's so we can B"
New Era Gentlemen: "Good idea!"
Goku: "2. Less Z's, Y more often!"
New Era Gentlemen 2:"I completely agree"

Was i away when this happened??

Claire Louise
Claire Louise Day 1,808, 05:54

well if Hughs questions never get answerd what do you expect him to do? just go away? brilliant use of democracy

 
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