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U guys sacrifice alot of your popularity among the voters in Romania to fulfill this task !
Good Luck and i hope Bulgaria will come to a sense ! We want Bulgaria as a good neighbor 🙂

Good Luck!

Good day Kristache!

"Romania is willing to liberate all of your regions, starting with Ruse, as soon as our governments reach an agreement. "

There is no place for discussions. 🙂 Give us our regions back, give us our infrastructure back and we'll maybe talk with you. But you'll never become a road trough Bulgaria und we'll never join EDEN. 🙂

Thank you!
LG
Bulgarian citizen

I'd like to say one thing first, which is totally independent, let's get into the habit of calling our e-countries properly -- eBulgaria and eRomania, so that we don't get into ugly misunderstandings, intentional or not, to curse our RL countries.

Now to your points, I've explained quite a few times that what you want from eBulgaria as a means for a peace to be signed is impossible to be delivered, now while the World War is still raging, because it will have much worst detrimental effects for eBulgaria in the long term.

I'll just say that peace with eRomania does not guarantee that eGreece will not attack and overrun eBulgaria, and we will not be able to count on help from anyone if we step out of Phoenix now.

Thus your offer is a non starter as long as it stipulates for eBulgaria to go in any way against it's current allies. If your offer did not include eBulgaria letting you through so you can attack one of our current allies, than we would have a basis for talks.

This is my opinion of course and it's not the official position of eBulgarian government or leadership.

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I still can't stop wondering, why doing this? If you wanted to gain Bulgarian sympathy, you had to liberate Sofia first, not some poor and less populated regions.

@LordGelu: Humm, let's see: if you do not cooperate, what's in it for us?

If you don't want to negotiate you have always the option to declare war. And if you are again into a suicidal mood you can hit again a Romanian original territory.

@mihail

By antagonizing you're not gaining anything, any offer that includes eBulgaria going against it's allies in the midst of a World War is a nonstarter and I'm sure you do realize that very well.

You have a choice of course you can try to push us into it or make us disappear, or you can accept that fact continue on and try to restart talks of better relations after the war if you sincerely want them.

@mihail.cazacu: And now back on threating mode? 😮

@mihail.cazacu:

"Humm, let's see: if you do not cooperate, what's in it for us?"

It's to late for this question. 😉

"If you don't want to negotiate you have always the option to declare war. And if you are again into a suicidal mood you can hit again a Romanian original territory."

Yes, we have this options. We don't need to declare war. We have a war. 😉

Donnie Bronco !!!! 😃

@Stoich:

1. Why would Greece invade you?!

Bulgaria is only interesting as a "highway to Asia". And the only 2 countries interested in a "highway to Asia" are Serbia and Romania.

2. When we have started the negotiations about the "highway" we offered you the possibility to follow our advance into Asia and get some high resource regions in Iran. So cooperating would have brought you much more than what sticking with Phoenix would ever give you.

@Prozerpina: Sofia needs to be earned.

@LordGelu and Stoich

Thank you both for your answers, I'm glad to see that we can discuss without insults 🙂 Still, I have to disagree on two things here:


1. We cannot liberate everything and rebuild infrastructure and _after_ to start talks. I'm sure that not even you really thinks that this has even a 5% chance of happening 🙂 Not from Romanian side, not from any country in the world.

2. No one is saying to suddenly switch sides. We've all seen what previously happened with Germany and we all know what will happen to UK in the future 😛 Nobody likes traitors, that's a fact. But, as we can see, Ukraine for example has MPPs with EDEN, Phoenix and Entente countries, being protected from all sides and partners with everyone in the meantime. And growing from less than 1k users to over 4k doing this.

Stoich, I agree with you that many useless RL facts are influencing in a worrying way eRep world. The "e" prefix should be implied for everything here, from countries names to positions, careers, laws and institutions. But exactly for this reason (everything should be considered eSomething) I usually don't even specify it. I'm confident that everybody realizes that it's only eStuff after all.

your president if veeeeeeeery slooooooooooooow in answering me

@mihail.cazacu:

"Bulgaria is only interesting as a "highway to Asia"."

But not for you. 😁) Do you really believe you can reach Asia? 😉

"But not for you. 😁) Do you really believe you can reach Asia? 😉"

YES

In any country the government has to abbide by public opinion too. The longer you refuse to discuss with the eRomanian government and scorn their proposals the harder it will be to reach an understanding.

EDEN and eRomania have no quarell with eBulgaria and by no means are they seeking to opress its citizens any further or have them do anything else than what's good for their own country rather than Phoenix and the countries exploiting it for their own gains.

If you don't believe me just look at Ukraine, they've been Hungary's puppet against Romania for months and now they're whole as a country, independent, part of their own alliance which doesn't include either Hungary or Romania and we've had peace and good understanding for months.

I ask you to see reason and stop acting like children about all this. It can be made very easy or very hard for the both of us.

@LordGelu: Nope, you don't have a war anymore. The war ended when Sofia was conquered.

@Stoich: There will be no end to the wars, ever. So by your standards there will never be a good time to negotiate 😉

@Donnie Bronco: Well, the two instruments of the international policy are the carrot and the stick. After showing them the big stick in Sofia we are throwing carrots. Like the Burgas carrot.

Dobrogea for Bulgaria, as it always was in history !!! Ale ALe Ale !!!

@VasilDobruja-let's not get into RL history debates.

@VasilDobruja: Sure, you can try that strategy too. The last attack on Dobrogea resulted in the loss of Sofia. So by all means, try again! 😃

Look all this promises are nice but the fact is that you are holding 3 region hostage or whatever you call it. The only reason you paid to free the one Pakistan region was for show and to restart the Propaganda. Nothing else. Your hope is to fool the people. If you want real Propaganda go and free all regions...

Donnie Bronco there's a difference between being good intentioned and stupid.

I understand that everything within the game is implied to be e-something. However we have a certain predisposition and conditioning fro our educational institutions in RL which gives a specific sensitivity for certain symbols of our countries. More specifically the name, flag and national heroes. This is true for all countries around the world not only in Bulgaria or Romania. For that reason I think it's a good idea when the names of the countries are mentioned to get into the habit of putting the e- prefix, to escape that preconditioning.

Now to the discussion at hand. Currently eGreece does not have strategic reasons to invade eBulgaria, but that may change. What happens if (just as an example) eHungary and eSerbia and say eRussia (moving through eUkrain) attack eRomania, and it needs eGreece's help. We become in the way again, with no support and no ability to withstand a more powerful country. what I'm trying to say is that even though there aren't any reasons for eGreece to attack now, there could be in the future, so our integrity as a country can not be guaranteed, thus the sacrifice is not worth for a deal like that.

We need to fight for what will be in the best interest of eBulgaria in the long term not only right at this moment, even more so as we're experiencing a baby boom right now, and we have an obligation to those new players to present them with the opportunity to shape this ecountry in the future without taking away many of the roads they can take. This is the reason I say, that if you truly want to gain eBulgaria as a friendly nation you need to bite the bullet now, and attempt to do it after this war.

Pushing for us to relent and accept your proposals is not going to help that process. We're part of a team right now, and until the game is still being played leaving the team is out of the question, I think eRomania would be doing exactly the same thing were you in our shoes.

@Donnie Bronco: Geiles Bild. 🙂 Echt cool. 🙂

@mihail

If indeed the current world war will continue "for ever" than maybe you should have considered the carrots before you pushed eBulgaria into the opposing camp.

I'd like to think that as this is a game sooner or later there will be enough sensible people who will look for a fresh approach to the game rather than constantly doing the same thing over and over.

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@Stoich:

There is no need to Greece to occupy Bulgaria even in case of you scenario. For 2 reasons:

1. If the Romanian-Bulgarian relations would be friendly, _you_ would volunteer to open a corridor for the Greeks 😉

2. The above being said, Greece would help much more effectively by fighting via MPPs instead of attacking Serbia in her original provinces.

And still circling. Just to quote something which is pretty much getting to the point.

"Pushing for us to relent and accept your proposals is not going to help that process."

You are holding the 3 regions for only one reason. It´s for your Plan B "the second try" by getting through with brute force. Or whatever you call this. 😉

@mihail I was just giving a hypotetical example I don't want to get into the specific details of weather or not it is a realistical one and how much so it is.

Yuo do understand it is not in the long term interest of eBulgaria to be a road for anyone, so any offer that just makes us the road for EDEN rather than Pheonix does not gain us anything let alone a reason for us to make sacrafices for it.

For us to radically change our stance right at this moment we need to be assured of a substantial gain for our country in the long term. All other scenarios lead to much worst position for eBulgaria in the long term, thus they would not be acceptable.

Again I think this attempt at worming ties with eBulgaria would be best done after the current World War, and here I think it will end, because sooner or later the countries from one or both alliances will exhaust their resources to be able to wage war effectively.

I even think right now is a good moment for EDEN to seek an end to it, but that is a whole different discussion all together.

As soon as there are occupied regions by eRomania there will be no end to the war. We will never give up , I'm pretty sure you know it.
As of your proposals they are totally unacceptable , even if you were in our shoes you would do the same as we do now.

No one can really say we'll do this or that or make promisses with comments or articles, the purpose of these are not to push you into anything.

Their purpose is to get the leaders to sit down at the negotiation table, discuss terms that are mutually beneficial draw treaties, pass the through congress, etc. The works.

All of these things are just preludes but you don't seem to care. You talk about long term goals but are thinking in the short-term yourselves.

The truth is Bulgaria was always by need or conviction part of PEACE, then Phoenix and is terrified to try something else which is also why I think experienced players from Bulgaria are downplaying this, they could be afraid that Phoenix would feel betrayed if they talk to us. I can understand that.Sort of.

Hahaha - this is not propaganda.... Hahaha... Pakistan was our ally which we brought here and you now are trying to pull them out, which is against our will and will help you in the was against us.

But it looks so generous as you say it... haha...

It will be great if eRomania and eBulgaria sign peace and eRomania liberate our lands. I will support friendship and unity if eRumania decide to set free all eBulgarian regions.

The previous romanian who posted a very similar article in eBulgaria a few days ago, today expains in eRomania how important the propaganda is...

@Dilute😛 There's no war currently between Bulgaria and Romania 😉 The war was closed with the fall of Sofia.

Firstly eRomania attacked our lands, destroyed our hospitals and infrastructure, destroyed our economy, tried to kill our new players with hunger, called us "whores" in their press, and now they are trying to convince us what a huge friends of us they are.... And that all was for our good...

@X_p_M:

First we asked you to open a corridor. Everything else happened after your refusal...

The thing with the eBulgarian leaders is that they are involved in some group of interests that are so different with the simple citizen will. Take @Diluted for example, he is not interested in eBulgaria being Phoenix puppet, he is not interested in Serbia or Pakistan or whatever Phoenix country use Bulgarian territories as a pathway he just wants it's territories back, he wants whole Bulgaria back on the map and if that means peace with Romania so be it. But Bulgarian leaders are in really big sh*t right now thinking that supporting countries as Serbia and Hungary with all cost will make them friends. That is wrong, Hungary and Serbia does not care about you, in fact I've seen hungarian tanks fighting for NON LIBERATION in Burgas.

Tell me if Serbia is your friend why they don't attack and free Sofia for you? The answer is simple, they don't care, you opened the pathway for them, what's in it for them? Bulgarian leaders think about what the simple bulgarian player wants, they elected you after all.

FREE BULGARIA from evil Penix Influenza !

Bilen, if you actually believe in this, I'm getting more and more optimistic about the outcome 😁

@mihail.cazacu

And when we denied your proposal, that means you should destroy us...
There are such a friendly feeling everything around us.....

@Mistwalker

I'm not one of the older players, but you have hit the situation on the knail -- need and/or conviction.

As long as there is no alternative which is at least "equal" in terms of long term interests fo eBulgaria, there is not even a point to start contemplating changing that.

Again if eRomania truly wants to develop relations with eBulgaria it needs to offer an alternative to the "need and conviction" which benefit eBulgaria in the long term. I say long term, because this is a game and thus you don't have the RL situations which force long term sacrifices for short term benefits as often is the case in RL and because the scope one can influence things in the short term is quite limited in general.

Trying to turn Bulgaria in Eden after their baby boom...

I see that eRomanian players have dedicated their eLives only to help us. They are desperately willing to betray their county interests, so they could liberate eBulgaria from the evil phoenix....
At the same time they are looking at us with respect and believe here is not a kindergarden where their lies could pass....

Let´s try this: Romania didn´t get their will with money. So next was they tried to get a pathway by force. Now they realized they can´t get through by force. What else can they do? Oh yeah right now after

1. Asking (cheap)
2. Forcing (expensive) <<< angry mode
1. Asking (cheap) <<< we are back here

I have to admit you are persistent but you should choose at the start one strategy and not jump around. It´s somehow funny.

ha ha ha Vasil.You think you're in the position of asking something from Romania?And by the way,Dobrogea is not a Bulgarian region,it belong to Romania.So not even the hitory argument is not working.This way,Romania had between 1913-1940 the ,,Durostor'' region with Caliacra,Bazargic,Silistra.But as you can see,no one from Romania ask it back.So,keep quiet

@Bilen

Now that was propaganda, because you conveniently left out the fact that we refused passage to eSerbia as well, but it was eRomania that attacked eBulgaria and not eSerbia as a result.

Your attack has put eBulgaria in the current situation where we need to give our lands for our allies' benefit, we don't like that fact but we understand the current need.

So the situation right now is that we have to make as we can right now, and fight for the future when we can build a strong eBulgaria which is not as much dependent on other countries for it's existence or we would need to accept others interest before ours as default.

eRomania choose gunboat diplomacy, now the choice before you is simple stay the road or try to change the diplomacy, no amount of propaganda can compensate for that.

It's simple the current dance has to be danced after that whoever understand eBulgaria's needs best has a chance t develop better relations, gunboat diplomacy can only have success in the short term but inevitably leads to a failure in the long term, because unlike RL here you cannot destroy a nation's spirit even if you can take it's land.

@AlexandruMacedon

Dobgodea was bulgarian region for a thousand of years. But romanians are not only keeping it - they pretend to get another RL region - Durostor. LOL that's really nasty......

But actually you're not our historical enemies, so as a whole we have mostly friendly feelings in RL. That's not like eLife of course. You had no diplomatic tongue.... And won a dangerous enemy.