No Peace While Enemies Hold Our Lands
Xander Kross
A treaty with eUSA that includes our enemies' continued occupation of Quebec and British Columbia is doomed to failure. Not because it isn't a fine idea, but because of a few quarreling miscreants. You people really need to learn to shut your wet mouths and do what your dictator tells you to do.
The war against eSpain and eUSA has been an uphill struggle from the start. Both of these nations are orders of magnitude stronger than we, but we persevered and now have an opportunity to reap the rewards of our struggles. Spain wants to leave and go back to Europe. USA wants to strike a deal. We won. That is victory.
Everyone seems fine with Spain leaving, but a few of you naughty monkeys are unwilling to strike a deal with the eagle-huggers. We cannot have the one without the other. That's something the rebels do not seem to realize.
Consider: America cannot wipe us right now because we have a big, fat shield of Spaniards surrounding our unassailable Northwest Territories. Spain is apathetic towards us - their attention is focused on Europe and the Iberian Peninsula specifically. We were a convenient place for them to hide out when they were getting steamrolled by Romania, but now Romania is weakened and Spain can go home. Which they want to do now.
Everyone will be happy to see Spain go home. Especially the Americans, who have been salivating for our blood for months now. When Spain leaves, they have a clear shot at wiping us, because they can reach NWT again.
The alternative to yet another wipe at the hands of eUSA is to treat with them. They want to keep their precious resources bonus, so they will demand Quebec and British Columbia. They seem willing to negotiate on a rental agreement.
Ultimately, it would be in Canada's best interest to make a deal, to charge eUSA exorbitant rent and reclaim all our other territories. Anyone who tells you differently has no grasp of logic or common sense. Those vocal few are the ones who guarantee that such a deal will fail, and who doom the country to perpetual wipe and bankruptcy.
eUSA will want assurances that the rental properties will not be taken from them by rebellious resistance wars. DMV3 and others are entirely incapable of honoring an agreement, particularly one with the eUSA, so this assurance cannot realistically be given. Should Rylde go ahead and make that deal anyway, it will fail for that very reason - because the ones crying "sellout!" have no grasp on the reality of the situation and will not be satisfied until we've spent our every last 0.01CC, abandoning and being abandoned by every single ally along the way.
Let us examine some of the half-truths and outright lies that have come up with these recent developments:
"We are draining their damage, thus hindering their allies!" - Indeed, we do manage to drain some of their damage. At the expense of nearly all of ours. And, in turn, the resistance wars keep us from going to the aid of our own allies when they need it.
"Rylde has no balls!" - Utter nonsense. You should be slapped repeatedly and then castrated so your offspring do not taint humanity's future. Rylde achieved exactly what he set out to do: Fight the enemy and force them into a settlement. It took balls and planning to get us where we are now. If you fail to recognize this fact, you are a moron.
"We are being sold out!" - Hogwash. America will come to OUR terms, or we keep fighting them. Though, at this point, it likely means another extended wipe and complete economic ruin.
"We are in bed with the enemy!" - Poppycock. Accepting their surrender and taking their money does not mean we are suddenly best of chums. Or even allies. It means we have bested them, and must now be clever about how we proceed if we wish to remain on top.
"The Americans are simply getting what they wanted all along - our resources!" - Codswallop. They already have our resources now, for free. Should we broker a deal for BC and Quebec, we would be forcing them to pay for what they want, rather than allowing them to take it by force.
Again, though, we must recognize that it is simply not viable to offer eUSA a deal for BC and Quebec, regardless of how beneficial it is for the country. We cannot possibly promise to defend our own lands from ourselves, in the name of eUSA. eUSA will have to find their precious deer and iron resources elsewhere, and withdraw entirely from Canada.
While I would fully support forcing our enemies to pay us rent for the privilege of occupying Canadian soil, I fear I cannot recommend such a deal at this time. Renting out BC and Quebec ultimately spells another wipe for Canada. It is a sensible move made impossible by insensible people.
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😛 I am watching with my popcorn!
Silly Oinyo, Irish eat turnips and potatoes, not popcorn. You'll not charm us with your swarthy-leprechaun magic.
First let me say this: should Canada sign a rental deal with the US I will not fight against our nation's interests. Secondly I already know how this deal will end up, despite recent developments I still have more US assets than our government and I can safely say the deal are discussing is an insult and is just a means to buy time while they focus on other conquests. You do not negotiate with imperialists, you resist them until you can resist no longer.
Should a rental deal go through, it is in our nation's interests to hold to it. Are you now saying you will not instigate resistance wars should such a deal go through? Because you've been strongly insinuating that you would.
Where did I insinuate I would instigate resistance wars if this deal goes through?
I knew you were going to lawyer up, but I went ahead and said it anyway. That one is on me. Your pardon, I am debating on many fronts and momentarily confused you with your legion of knee-jerking followers.
I don't have followers. There are just others who don't believe we should sell out to our enemies.
A good article, it will be interesting to see how things shake out.
Boom goes the Dynamite
You lost me at:
"You people really need to learn to shut your wet mouths and do what your dictator tells you to do."
Oh..and all the logical fallacies. Them too.
Point out these logical fallacies, Captain Non-sequitur.
1) "Everyone seems fine with Spain leaving, but a few of you naughty monkeys are unwilling to strike a deal with the eagle-huggers. We cannot have the one without the other."
2) "The alternative to yet another wipe at the hands of eUSA is to treat with them."
3) "Ultimately, it would be in Canada's best interest to make a deal, to charge eUSA exorbitant rent and reclaim all our other territories. Anyone who tells you differently has no grasp of logic or common sense. "
4) "abandoning and being abandoned by every single ally along the way."
5) "Indeed, we do manage to drain some of their damage. At the expense of nearly all of ours. And, in turn, the resistance wars keep us from going to the aid of our own allies when they need it."
6) "If you fail to recognize this fact, you are a moron."
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1 -> You CAN have one without the other. Spain can - and plans to - leave of their own accord so how exactly does that involve the eUSA? The two are not mutually exclusive.
2 ->The eUSA can wipe us at any time regardless of a NWT blocker. But really, what does it matter if we have one region, or none? A congress? Not a loss IMO. This is almost a moot point given that the eUSA has AMPLE enough resources to just AS the NWT to take one region if they want.
3 ->The loss of 20/20 bonus for all citizens and loss of taxes of those two regions is more than likely worth more than what the eUSA would pay. Why would they pay "exorbitant" amounts for something they can hold freely?
4/5 -> The expense of all our damage is able to drain more than that much from our enemies, which makes it a solid tactically move and actually supports our allies.
6 -> "do what your dictator tells you to do" This, plus your incessant ass-kissing or Rylde makes me think you are simply regurgitating the lines that you are being fed without really thinking independently.
1/2) Alright. We can have eSpain leave, and then continue to war against eUSA. And we'll be wiped again. Without their ally acting as a buffer, eUSA will have unrestricted access to every territory in Canada, because we would share every border with them. NWT was "safe" because they would have had to pay for an airstrike to get at it - no shared border. And they would wipe us, because they can. When Spain leaves, we have no more buffer. The only wars we fight are Resistance Wars. For a long time, because the Americans hate us, and would actively suppress us.
3) That's what the negotiation is all about.
4/5) It's a chicken-and-egg debate, at best. Using it as an argument to support staying involved in an ongoing, expensive war is obfuscatory. Engaging in any conflict with any mutual enemy aids our allies. But it seems logical that we could contribute more effectively by directly engaging in allies' conflicts, rather than sit at home and open up another expensive RW against Baja or Quebec.
6) I've taken a stance. I defend the stance. Call it ass-kissing if you want - I call it defending a principle. MDP wants leaders, not followers - no party official tells me what to say. But if they did, I would listen. Because it's a dictatorship. That's how dictatorships work. Your Country President is MDP. He is your dictator. You should do what your dictator tells you to do.
An interesting debate! I like that you have only resorted to childish name-calling and partisan accusations at the very end of it, and not dive into them right away like the other CPF maggots do.
The sheer amount of hypocrisy here is mind blowing. I suggest you re-read your own comments from an objective view.
Example - " I call it defending a principle. MDP wants leaders, not followers" YOU ARE NOT LEADING EVEN YOUR OWN OPINIONS. AS STATED BY MY NEXT POINT.
"You should do what your dictator tells you to do."
THEREFORE YOU ARE SAYING YOU ARE A FOLLOWER, HENCE YOU ARE NOT WHAT THE MDP WANTS.
You completely contradict yourself.
"I like that you have only resorted to childish name-calling and partisan accusations at the very end of it, and not dive into them right away like the other CPF maggots do."
Nowhere at all in my response did I resort to any name calling (so perhaps, read again). Rather, it is you that ends by calling me a maggot. Furthermore, I didn't mention CPF/MDP whatsoever, so this has nothing to with parties (I have no dislike of MDP), so yet again, I suggest you try to find another way to redirect the merit of my points.
I am not here to bash MDP or Rylde (him and I work well together); I just think you aren't taking it upon yourself to truly understand the implications/ramifications of what you are railing against.
"...your incessant ass-kissing or Rylde makes me think you are simply regurgitating the lines that you are being fed without really thinking independently." - Called me an ass-kisser. That's name-calling, friend-o.
And I didn't call you a maggot. I called the other CPF members maggots. I meant it as a compliment of sorts - "you are a cut above the common ilk of your worthless party."
In regards to the leader/follower comment, you take it out of context to fit your own purposes. MDP members are leaders - we are self-directed in our conduct and affairs, except where it contradicts the orders of the party's dictator. You do what your dictator tells you to do. Otherwise, you lead - you don't simply follow the herd, you stride before it carrying a banner and sounding the charge. Or you rail against it, because the herd is being stupid and trying to get itself killed. I hope that is more clear to you now. You should consider joining.
The implications/ramifications of this deal the Americans want to cut are clear. If we do what they want, we will be wiped. For a long time, because they hate us. Even though, in an ideal eWorld, the proposal would be beneficial to us. In this one, it will not because people are going to be the idiots they always are regardless of what is on paper. Do you believe otherwise?
You, my friend, are the herd.
Your ad hoc rationalizations of being a leader/follower make absolutely no sense given what you are saying and you have contradicted yourself several times and then claim I am taking it out of context?
I am at a loss as to how you can't see how your leader/following dichotomy doesn't totally contradict itself. How are you a leader when you have no control over your actions?
"You do what your dictator tells you to do."
Sounds like there is one leader (hence what a dictatorship is, by definition), and a bunch of followers.
Therefore, by logic, you ARE the herd.
Furthermore, what your ACTUAL opinion is would be irrelevant, given that the end result is the same no matter what.
If your favourite colour is blue, but the dictators is red...well, your favourite colour is now red. If your favourite was red to begin with...well good for you, it's still going to be red. Oh..and everyone else, their favourite is red also. Congratulations, welcome to the flock. Just another sheep, going through the motions.
I would encourage you to think outside the "party". At the end of the day, what party you belong to is largely unimportant. Put simply, opinions are all that divide us, and if you can't formulate your own, then how could you construe yourself as a leader?
Ugh, I try to be civil.
I understand that you wish to reduce the entire discussion to one irrelevant point which you will deliberately misinterpret to score points for your own credibility. It's a common tactic. I'll try to keep this as simple as possible since you're having such a tough time with it... and I shall also try to use very small words.
The dictator does not tell us what to think. Don't be obtuse. There is a great gulf of difference between "marching orders" and "now you are all lemmings and must think as I do." My opinions are mine alone. I formulated them. Other MDP members disagree with me. Up to and possibly including the dictator. If you wish to know more about party policy, ask Muglack, our glorious dictator.
Pull your head out of your arse and stay on topic.
The implications/ramifications of this deal the Americans want to cut are clear. If we do what they want, we will be wiped for a long time, because they hate us - even though, in an ideal eWorld, the proposal would be beneficial to us. In this one, it will not be, because people are going to be the idiots they always are regardless of what is on paper. Do you believe otherwise?
Just wait till Gnilraps is PoTUS.
He wants to dictate Canadian foreign policy. We will start up the resistance wars again.
And we will drag the French along with us. Together. We will be a pretty massive drain on the US.
Not overpower them, they would still out damage both of us. but enough to hurt America that its distracted from its European allys as it focuses on Quebec, Pointu Charetes, British Columbia and Baja.
He can try to dictate our foreign policy. And all this talk about treaties will be for naught. If he insists on hardlining our stance on Serbia, stuff him and every eagle-hugger under his command.
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Voted... for use of the word "Poppycock"
LOL, at the pic where an apparently enraged Phil Kessel seems to be fighting like a real hockey goon. That can't be real.
The rage-face is precisely why I used that one.
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"You people really need to learn to shut your wet mouths and do what your dictator tells you to do."
Seig Heil! Seig Heil! SIG HEIL!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josip_Broz_Tito
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_dictatorship
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_dictatorship
One bad apple...
You really don't want to go down that path. Really.
And all because the Yanks are no good at Ice Hockey,take it on the chin lads,see you in 4 years time
"Those vocal few are the ones who guarantee that such a deal will fail"
I really think you're overestimating the strength of these people. The eUS will have no problem slapping a minority of eCanadians aside every several days.
On the other hand, they can also use these rebels as an excuse to break any kind of treaty - i.e. "you promised this would not happen! Stand and deliver!"
We need this Deal! Think about the people living in the occupation! (Including me. SAVE ONTARIO NOW) If we strike a deal now, we can deflect a possible future American invasion. Without this deal, we're doomed, so VOTE IT PEOPLE!!!
I lived wiped for 8 months. Not that much different from this. Plato still lets me buy gold.
Very little difference between being wiped and having half a country. Better to be wiped than roll over and grovel for crumbs...and be OWNED!
if there is a battle where I get to kill Americans, I will kill Americans, I will never fight for them even if it is to hold a deal.
I'm all for eternal warfare against the US, their leadership is corrupt and there's no sense talking anymore. Hopefully America will stop electing these idiots, but unlikely.
I agree. All *spits* ugh americans are morons but we need to strike a deal at some point.