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[MoFA]Only the Dead Have Seen the End of the War

Tag 1,947, 15:43 von Foreign Office


Hello and welcome to yet another news article from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs! A fair bit has gone on since the last update but today we bring you the news, yet again, in both written and audio form! So without further to do, let's get straight to business with the biggest stories of the last couple of days.



As you may be aware, since roughly the beginning of term we have had a training war with Ireland which comes after months of progress to improve our relationship with our Irish neighbours. This seems to have been all for nothing as we see things start heating up with Ireland and our good allies, Spain. This all started with the recent decision to start a referendum in Ireland on which the people decided which alliance to join - opting for a cluster of countries in South America which isn't an alliance thus far. This of course doesn't sit well with us, nor the rest of TWO - and not because the option to join ACT was omitted from the articles on the different alliances. This could serve to be a pain in our backsides later on and especially when you see that our good friends Chile are at war with one of the members of the defence pact Ireland wish to join. It goes without saying that for us and our allies, it's against our interests for Ireland to be a part of such an alliance. I believe that is a fair assessment and there can be minimal criticism for me saying so.
The problem comes from two things; first even by the MoFA's admission the referendum was rushed which when considering all the above makes things worse. Second, the Secretary of Foreign Affairs in TWO spoke to the CP of Ireland and said in no uncertain terms that things wouldn't be bright for Ireland if they joined CUA which caused the Irish CP to turn around and threaten to attack Spain. This of course doesn't sit right with us and forces us to talk to the Irish government to try to come to a conclusion. By the next day, after we vote a no NE law which passes, Irish congress instead puts up a vote to Natural Enemy Spain.



Not only is this aggravating, but it also means that due to Ireland not voting a no NE law, we're still technically at war meaning the only way to end the war as it is, is to wipe Ireland. But lastly comes the straw which broke the camel's back. Myself and Blue And Evil spoke to MUFC, the Irish CP, to thrash out new terms of agreement, we were met with poor attitude and refusal to even try to make a difference. I've since seen proponents of MUFC say that it's not his fault and he can't force congress to do what he wants - which is very true, I won't say otherwise - but what they all seem to completely look over is the fact we were not asking him to force congress to do something, we asked for him to just try. Had he tried, we would be fine and not be formally attacking. And so, for those who are saying we're attacking because of "retarded congress", it's not true we are attacking because those in charge choose to refuse to do even the slightest thing to change things - those in charge to refuse to even care. And it's all down to seeing things like this that cause our frustration:





In other news, Croatia has recently proposed a law to leave EDEN, an alliance they co-founded. This in itself isn't extraordinary as rogue proposals happen all the time. What is extraordinary is the fact that more congressmen voted for leaving than against leaving. Were it not for the fact that a 66% majority is required to leave or join an alliance, they'd be out by now. Not long after the law was proposed an impeachment was launched too so it seems Croatia is domestically in trouble too - though the impeachment will fail.

Elsewhere, Spain and Portugal have written up a new treaty to give Portugal some regions for congress and to build trust and a better relationship after being wiped for a fair while. The terms are very simple, Spain will keep Norte, Algarve and Azores and Portugal will give Poland 500k country currency as a deposit. If Portugal breaks the deal and attempt to gain more regions from Spain then Poland will give the money to Spain and if eventually Spain and Portugal can start to come to some kind of mutual acceptance then Portugal will have their money back. This is a very logical move as Spain prepare to defend their Canadian region from Canada's Resistance Wars that will start to pop up before the congress elections.



Lastly, we’re reintroducing FA Audio Updates! If you have a spare 10 minutes and want the worlds news injected straight into your ear, then you should have a listen. John Baker hasn’t been around so you’ll need to download it for now! So to listen to myself and Jimbojoy discuss news by clicking right here and downloading it. If could give us feedback, we’re hoping to do this more often and would really appreciate it!



Thanks and see you on the other side,

Betafoxtrot
Minister of Foreign Affairs
 

Kommentare

Foreign Office
Foreign Office Tag 1,947, 15:43

Awww yiss

m60a3tts
m60a3tts Tag 1,947, 15:49

=V=

Val3s OBrien
Val3s OBrien Tag 1,947, 15:49

pole?

CptChazbeard
CptChazbeard Tag 1,947, 15:54

Now we go full retard. Dang.

Sean MacDiarmata
Sean MacDiarmata Tag 1,947, 15:57

Voted, pity you had to deal with a disaster of a government over here. Bit of luck its better next month.

ChewChewShoe
ChewChewShoe Tag 1,947, 16:10

Yeah, I agree with Marcus, I apologize for the behaviour Ireland's government has shown this month.

MR. PADRAIG PEARSE
MR. PADRAIG PEARSE Tag 1,947, 16:15

Ye sorry about mufc brahs, no hard feelings

Raven Anarcho
Raven Anarcho Tag 1,947, 16:22

AND THIS IS THE SAME PERSON WHO SUBMITTED THE NE!^^^^

If you guys truly want to ignore our trolls then so be it. These guys have been determined to ruin the current presidency and because the UK's minister is friends with one of them its no surprise you try and blame it on our CP.

Betafoxtrot
Betafoxtrot Tag 1,947, 16:25

I assume you didn't read the article then, Raven. It's pretty clear and there's even a picture.

Sean MacDiarmata
Sean MacDiarmata Tag 1,947, 16:27

Raven he wanted to give us a TW, like we were promised. There was very little discussion on the thread about it being cancelled.

Raven Anarcho
Raven Anarcho Tag 1,948, 07:19

sure he did marcus, if that was the case his reasoning wouldn't have been "my finger slipped".

Danie Fox
Danie Fox Tag 1,947, 17:07

We know how you feel; we had two terms of BigAnt recently

ChewChewShoe
ChewChewShoe Tag 1,948, 13:36

You're the only joke here, MUFC. You have single handedly gotten us invaded, turned the relations between Spain and Ireland from decent to hostile, you have manipulated the outcome of an entire referendum, you have burnt all of our diplomatic bridges except for those we have with three south American countries, because you felt like it.
The worst part is though that you don't even have the stomach to admit that you did anything wrong so you keep making up lies to protect yourself.

Liam Tatlock
Liam Tatlock Tag 1,947, 16:30

With our party having been the subject of a PTO, I can't say what went on in the Congress thread and neither can I say what was said in private conversations. I will however say that there is considerable friction between the government and those who enacted the PTO, which has gone a long way to causing this situation (not that I'm saying the UK haven't played a part). I'd prefer an amicable settlement to this (not least because it's 50m to my next TP medal!) and I'd like to see both parties get together for a sensible discussion. The ILP will even offer to host it and provide Guinness and Boxty!

Sean MacDiarmata
Sean MacDiarmata Tag 1,947, 17:20

Liam for their to be talks, MUFC has to do something. I have asked him twice on the congress thread and he hasn't replied.

Maybe he is doing what he said yesterday, not giving a shit.

Paddy OBrien
Paddy OBrien Tag 1,947, 18:10

only gonna work if you can keep Padraig Pearse from putting up more stupid NE proposals to block the process. "The Congress" didn't put us into this situation. One special member rode the short bus in and got it started. MUFC isn't perfect by a long shot, but there's a lot of blame that should go past him to the responsible parties.

MUFC992
MUFC992 Tag 1,948, 07:19

When did you asked me Marcus?

Sean MacDiarmata
Sean MacDiarmata Tag 1,948, 18:36

Since you replied to Paddys comment and not mine, while it was directed to me
...ill reply here.

I was talking about talks with us and the UK, i asked you loads of times are you even trying to end this or even asking them to keep us of their DO.

But sure you havent said anything on it for over 24hrs bar threatening our party and since Jack is running for PP, you are again acting like a child trying to PTO our party thus ruining any Irish unity we have.

WayneKerr
WayneKerr Tag 1,947, 16:36

Stop whining Ireland and prepare to bow down to your new overlords...

GameChanger
GameChanger Tag 1,947, 17:32

INSENSITIVE COMMENT

IM GOING TO REPORT YOU NOW!!!!!!

Dr Hugh Jardon
Dr Hugh Jardon Tag 1,948, 00:46

I report every comment of his anyway and will continue to do so until he runs for CP.

WayneKerr
WayneKerr Tag 1,948, 09:44

best report this one too!

MUFC992
MUFC992 Tag 1,948, 07:20

Good job in Louth yesterday.

WayneKerr
WayneKerr Tag 1,948, 09:43

thanks, made meself 15 gold from you paddies..

Strength and Honour

Aries Prime
Aries Prime Tag 1,947, 20:08

We all know UK can't fight a war without their Polish masters!

I'm sure they will instead start begging for Spain to come aid them.

Betafoxtrot
Betafoxtrot Tag 1,948, 01:56

Spain and Poland are different countries...

Sean MacDiarmata
Sean MacDiarmata Tag 1,948, 06:12

Its ok Beta, he is stupid

Dr Hugh Jardon
Dr Hugh Jardon Tag 1,947, 22:40

Voted hard...bring forth the Spanish and Polish fighters to do our fighting whilst we sit back stroking our pussies \o/

Niko Jones
Niko Jones Tag 1,948, 05:58

We got humped in Louth....

MUFC992
MUFC992 Tag 1,948, 07:17

"the Secretary of Foreign Affairs in TWO spoke to the CP of Ireland and said in no uncertain terms that things wouldn't be bright for Ireland if they joined CUA which caused the Irish CP to turn around and threaten to attack Spain. "

This is bullshit. I've asked Mininuns to send me logs where he directly threaten to ireland.

More precisly article: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-cp-an-answer-to-critics--2232128/1/20
From Irish perspective

ChewChewShoe
ChewChewShoe Tag 1,948, 09:42

You and me already had the debate about your claims that he apparently said that Spain would attack Ireland on this article:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/from-spain-with-love-2230911/1/20#comment
On that article you kept saying that Mininuns could confirm which side was right, which he did, saying that you are wrong, and therefore me and the author of this article right.
Here's a print screen of him doing it: http://oi48.tinypic.com/1zckfpw.jpg

And now you saying that the British government is bullshitting because you don't agree with what they claim to be the reason for why they declared war? Are you serious? That's just ridiculous.

This article clearly portrays a more complete version of the story, saying that when you say the only reason for why the UK declared war is because of Padraig and other members of congress linking that very article you just linked, you're wrong.
This article is saying that you have misunderstood what was written in the article, and they are trying to make it even more obvious to you in this one, which you apparently don't seem to understand.

I'll even take out a quote from this very article to clarify even further.

"Myself and Blue And Evil spoke to MUFC, the Irish CP, to thrash out new terms of agreement, we were met with poor attitude and refusal to even try to make a difference. I've since seen proponents of MUFC say that it's not his fault and he can't force congress to do what he wants - which is very true, I won't say otherwise - but what they all seem to completely look over is the fact we were not asking him to force congress to do something, we asked for him to just try. Had he tried, we would be fine and not be formally attacking. And so, for those who are saying we're attacking because of "retarded congress", it's not true we are attacking because those in charge choose to refuse to do even the slightest thing to change things - those in charge to refuse to even care."

Leochao
Leochao Tag 1,948, 08:53

So basically UK is attacking because the congress of a sovereign state refused to vote in the way UK wanted?? WOW!! Thats a new move to justify and try to make a legal basis to attack a sovereign state.

Very well thought UK's MoFA team!!

Niko Jones
Niko Jones Tag 1,948, 10:34

Its something we in the eUK are very good at. Take Iraq, Serbia, Afghanistan as prime examples...Lets not forget more recently Libya (regime change) and Syria (Proposed regime change). Iran is next when our overlords in the US of A tell us. I know I'm cynical.

Betafoxtrot
Betafoxtrot Tag 1,948, 13:09

Did you even read the article, or did you stop half way through? I even put a picture summarising things to make it easier for people who seem to not want to read what they comment on.

Leochao
Leochao Tag 1,948, 13:13

oohh ok, so yeah the article its totally unbiased and the people who can read between lines its very very dumb.

Leochao
Leochao Tag 1,948, 13:14

The worst part of this whole thing is that you guys know who sent the NE proposal and who is backing him up. Lets put aside what is self evident that the NE didnt go through

Betafoxtrot
Betafoxtrot Tag 1,948, 13:18

Why are you still talking about the NE? If you had read it you'd have realised it's nothing to do with that now... I'll even quote why as you seem to have trouble with it.

"And so, for those who are saying we're attacking because of "retarded congress", it's not true we are attacking because those in charge choose to refuse to do even the slightest thing to change things - those in charge to refuse to even care."

Leochao
Leochao Tag 1,948, 13:58

UK still is attacking preemptively and its still Ireland's internal affairs. The congress has spoken.

Betafoxtrot
Betafoxtrot Tag 1,948, 14:32

How is it preemptive?

ChewChewShoe Tag 1,948, 13:19

Kommentar gelöscht

ChewChewShoe
ChewChewShoe Tag 1,948, 13:25

Allow me, once more, to copy paste a quote from the article, just this time I'll explain what every single sentence in the quote (that you need to understand) means, so that you can refrain from making utterly stupid comments such as this one in the future.
If you still think your post here makes any sense whatsoever after reading it, read it again. If the same problem occurs, repeat over and over again until you understand.

"Myself and Blue And Evil spoke to MUFC, the Irish CP, to thrash out new terms of agreement, we were met with poor attitude and refusal to even try to make a difference. I've since seen proponents of MUFC say that it's not his fault and he can't force congress to do what he wants - which is very true, I won't say otherwise - but what they all seem to completely look over is the fact we were not asking him to force congress to do something, we asked for him to just try. Had he tried, we would be fine and not be formally attacking. And so, for those who are saying we're attacking because of "retarded congress", it's not true we are attacking because those in charge choose to refuse to do even the slightest thing to change things - those in charge to refuse to even care."

ChewChewShoe
ChewChewShoe Tag 1,948, 13:31

Allow me to make it even more obvious by pointing out a few sentences from the quote itself.

>"we were met with poor attitude and refusal to even try to make a difference"

He's talking about MUFC there. MUFC showed poor attitude and refused to even try to make a difference.

>"I've since seen proponents of MUFC say that it's not his fault and he can't force congress to do what he wants but what they all seem to completely look over is the fact we were not asking him to force congress to do something, we asked for him to just try."

Okay, here he is saying that the people (like you, raven etc for example) making stupid comments saying that the war is to be blamed on the Irish congress, or that the article is saying that the war is to be blamed on the Irish congress, are wrong.
He then proceeds to saying that the UK's government understands that you can't force your congress to do what you say, but that MUFC didn't even try.
You still with me? Ok good.

>"Had he tried, we would be fine and not be formally attacking"

Now he is explaining that if MUFC would've tired to make a difference the UK wouldn't be attacking. You still with me on this?

>"And so, for those who are saying we're attacking because of "retarded congress", it's not true"

Here he is saying that when MUFC is brushing it off as "it's all congress' fault" (or more specifically Padraig, whom he likes to single out, sometimes including me) he is lying. He is saying that they are attack for a DIFFERENT REASON than that the Irish congress did something wrong. Ok?

>"we are attacking because those in charge choose to refuse to do even the slightest thing to change things - those in charge to refuse to even care."

In this part of the article he is saying that he is attacking because "those in charge" (that's the government, ie MUFC) refused to even try to do anything about it. He is saying that MUFC didn't even try to stop it. Then he says that MUFC didn't even care.

ChewChewShoe
ChewChewShoe Tag 1,948, 13:32

He then shows a print screen that is taken from the Irish congressional thread, where MUFC says that congress can do whatever they want, and that he doesn't care.

Have I made it clear enough yet? Do you understand the content of this article, or do I need to elaborate even further?

Richy101
Richy101 Tag 1,948, 11:32

Very good work on your articles and audio feed.I enjoy listening .Voted!

John F Baker
John F Baker Tag 1,949, 04:15

http://gov.erepublik.co.uk/bbc - Podcast is up.

WayneKerr
WayneKerr Tag 1,949, 04:51

beta, you say Chile like a fag...

Betafoxtrot
Betafoxtrot Tag 1,952, 15:27

I know ._.

 
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