Shaved Beavers Gone
Thedillpickl
Hi kids!
This is a disturbing matter to me. The last thing I want to do is cause trouble for Canada. I've been here for awhile and I had hoped that my intentions were plain for all to see. However DMV3 and Xander Kross are concerned that I don't have any idea what I'm doing. They have strongly cautioned me that there would be repercussions if I proceed leading the Shaved Beaver party.
Also, Chickensguys (a.k.a. Dr.WalterBishop) has taken this opportunity to accuse me of overstepping my bounds and endangering Canada. He encourages me to "Do the right thing for a change.". This is the same person who was recently Blacklisted by our Congress. He blames me for that, even though I abstained, neither voting for or against him. Please read my comment to his article below if you don't want to bother reading his rant.
Evacuation Of Shaved Beavers
Normally I'm up for a fight but this time it involves more than just me or my MU. I don't want to start a storm that will eventually involve most everyone. I didn't come to Canada to divide and conquer. I came to Canada to work with the existing politics and help if I could. My goal is to bring people together and promote the greater good, not be divisive and make myself look good.
For this reason I surrender. You guys win this time. Enjoy your spoils. If those that do leave Shaved Beaver listen to my suggestion we will not join the power hungry parties represented by you. Besides being a trusted friend and good all around Canadian, klop has also remained neutral in this discussion. I would ask those that leave the Shaved Beaver party to join Canadian Progressive Front if for no other reason than they aren't asking anything of us.
My Comment To DWB
Well, Mr. perfect has something to say.
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I didn't change my vote to save you from being blacklisted so that was all my fault. You had nothing to do with getting yourself kicked from Congress. Big mean Dill didn't vote for the Blacklisting, didn't vote against the Blacklisting, I abstained to stay out of the BS. Then, bastard that I am, I offered to support a removal of the Blacklisting if you acted like a half ***ed decent Canuck and quit running around starting fights.
Now that Dennis and Xander want to garner political power (and they have a decent shot) you do your typical Chickensguys **** and jump on the band wagon. Riding coattails is a favourite hobby, isn't it?
I didn't want this job. I don't like party politics. (D'oh, this is exactly why.) ED was going to do it but I was asked to do it. No one said "Beat PS and then when he's gone you just disappear.". People followed me into the derelict party. I did not entice them in any way.
Since this seems to be a big deal I'll spill the beans. I had an operative in United Front for quite awhile. He went right up to the top so I had a lot of valuable intel. Dennis knows this as I shared that with him while he was CP and even after his term. UF collapsed because of infighting and internal rebellion. PS lost his power because he asked too much of what turned out to be kids and thrill seekers.
Now I will do as DMV and Xander ask. We will leave the Shaved Beavers. I have asked the 7 members that are not "PTO'ers" to leave. J.Canuck has declined, which is his privilege. I will be leaving too, so it is up to Dennis and Xander to place someone to take over PP or the evil PTO'er will become PP.
Just so you know I have recommended those involved move to CPF. They have stayed neutral in all this so I don't believe they are part of any power wrangling.
Comments
If cg is against you, what does that tell you?
yep
Didn't read, ate rice.
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Best intentions, butt ramming uncalled for blow back. Been there. Many, many, many times... You have my sympathy and understanding Dill. o7
Beavers and Moose can be a great team I bet!
For me, this had nothing to do with "garnering political power." I have no problem with you running a legitimate competing political party, and have said so many times. And I do not question your good intentions.
As long as there are still SHOE people in that party, it should not be top 5. I don't want them getting Congress seats and starting another immigration crisis. Them or Anaconda, who is also hell-bent on political trolling. Once the SHOE guys are gone, the party and the top 5 spot are fair game.
As for Bishop, I do not support his arguments or his article, and if he thinks he's found a bandwagon to jump on, he can jump right back off.
If you've got a bunch of dodgy fellas that could get into congress a logical solution would be to get more candidates for congress to run as blockers if you've got a "trustworthy" PP in the party. Saves moving masses of people to get a party out of top 5, you get some different congressmen for a change, no issue.
Much easier than trying to liquidize a party, that's rather difficult and once your PTOers leave the party they'll just pop up elsewhere anyway if they have the numbers.
Daft beggars.
So the onus, then, is on all the other parties to shuffle people around, make new arrangements with one another and coordinate a big effort.
Dill claims he was planning on telling people not to vote for his party, and I believe him. But that's going to work on legit people, not the PTO "sleeper agents" and the terrorists within the party.
Better to knock that party out of the top 5 and remove that option. Once they're gone, I pretty much don't care who's in charge. Bring on the competition, as long as they're not set on bringing in more PTOers and dodgy foreigners who don't want to live by eCanadian laws.
Knocking the party out of top 5 also will probably require other parties making arrangements and moving.
Think about it, dill encourages people to not vote his party you'd only need 5 or 6 people moved to run for congress assuming all the other parties get more votes than it and dill runs himself for congress as an additional block., if you think that's too much effort compared to liquidizing a whole party and pushing it out of the top 5 then well you're a bit dense. It's not a "big effort", it's quite simple really.
Plato happens. Taking the option off the table is more efficient and less prone to failure and shenanigans.
Do whatever the hell you want to do in eUK.
There's nothing left to do in eUK, may as well at least try to reason with Canadians who now have a problem we've recently dealt with. Now you've got around 2 days to get around 10 people to move to push your bad party down, when you could've let dill do what he wanted and only had to move about 6, and by the end of it all you would've had quite a nice shiny new opposition party.
But what do I know, eh?
If we were looking for an "easy fix," we would have called in Poland. OH WAIT....
For somebody listed as Minister of Education you're not very open to being educated.
This is all very good to hear.
I am concerned about the "Shoe People". Any party can have unknown members. Not like MU's where you can kick people that don't belong. The trick in working with parties is to make an attempt and meeting the members. One's that don't respond and look suspicious should be reported to admins as possible multies.
When a party advances and matures those that don't belong move on because there is nothing for them. Parties are molded and formed, not forced into a predefined role. Hope SGTRock has good luck at making this not a top 5.
What a ridiculous thing to say. "As long as there are Shoe people in that party".. OK, so if a bunch of Show people decide to join MDP, are you now a threat? Should you not be Top 5? I am willing to bet that you wouldn't give a flying F if a bunch of shoe people padded your numbers.
Shoe People, here's your chance to delegitimize the parties you hate. Join them and you immediately win!
Just curious though, how do you propose we get rid of these people you fear? Shall we ban them? Kick them from political parties? If you just have a boot up your ass, pull it out or learn to enjoy it but stop trying to dictate how people play a stupid game. It just makes you seem pathetic. You don't want to seem pathetic, do you?
If they pepper themselves throughout the other parties, it's not a threat (well, it is, but one that can be managed). It's a threat when they're all concentrated in one place forming the bulk of that party, and when that party has the potential to gain congressional representation (whereupon we end up housing more of them). If a bunch of SHOE people tried to take over MDP, or any other party, I would fight them the same as I have been doing for the past several months. If they go away, I no longer care.
Get rid of them by removing their incentive to remain within the country. Deny them political power so they can't cause problems like they had been doing. Cut off their means of perpetuating hostility.
Get over it dude. You've lost.
The point that everyone misses would be that there was no way of them reaching Congress. While I did not conscript any from Pickle's Patriots to join me 5 members did in fact join of their own volition. Some had political experience, some did not. This was of no significance as those that were there were tried and true. With 6 trusted members (including myself) it would be extremely unlikely that the "PTO" threat could muster enough votes to get past us 6 into Congress.
Xander mentioned something about the admins resetting his order of Congress candidates in a previous election. I will not contest that it happened but I've not heard of that before or since. Also I find it hard to believe that if the party president filed a ticket that they would not go look at the logs and reset the candidate list to what the PP had before there was a glitch. At the very least they should have recognized there was a glitch and asked what the PP's preference was.
I did file a ticket. They politely told me to piss off and bother someone else about it. The same thing happened to CPF that election. It may have been because we were fighting eUK at the time and lost a territory or two, which reset the order for everybody.
It's not you I distrust in this matter. It's the people who would take advantage of your goodwill and good intentions. Remove that element from the equation, put you back in that same party without those people in it, we have no issue.
You may well be correct. The "I candidate for Congress in the wrong region" has bit many on the ass.
Anyhow, it's a done deal. It's up to you guys to fix this, I want nothing to do with it.
Our betters have spoken and have issued their commands from on high. They must control all and DMV will not be denied his priviledge of top 5 party status. It is our duty as lowly abominable serfs to do their will.
You you can say FU and poke 'em in the eye. IMO this place needs a dissenting Black Sheep party that is not controlled by the same little group of backroom people. Very sorry, Your Highnesses.
I'm glad at least one eCanadian knows his place. 😛
I support you Dill.
So how is what Dill did different from what Muglack and DMV did with the UF?
I am pro Shaved Beaver.
I also point out there were plenty of PTO people in the UF party when I handed it over to them so that does not hold any water.
I looked over the party list often to see who was still there.
Every Ptoer left from the UF. It was a viable party that was cleansed. That is how it was different. That and DMV is competent.
They may have all of left now, but no way were they all gone at the time the party was handed over at PP election. As interim pp I was checking regularly. There is no difference here.
The election was over a week ago buddy. This situation is nothing like the other.
Actually the election was a month and a week ago and the party has half the members now between the two elections which completely proves my point. When the party was handed over it had plenty of PTO'r but was deemed legitimate some how.
Facts don't support your thesis sir.
I have not seen one fact from you. Look at the voting numbers for my facts.
If I recall the UF was "cleansed" because the majority of PTO followed PS into this new party and that is why it became controversial when Serbs started to gather with them.
Some Serbs starting a little party of their own wouldn't rate a blip on the radar. In fact, some argued they were our friends and here to help us with the PTO. Funny how things change, isn't it?
When your politicians are shadier than the PTOers you have a problem. This place suddenly smells.
We had a good thing going that was just getting off the ground and then some egotistical A-hole goes and works the backrooms to squash us and surprise, surprise advance his own interests and put his party in the top 5.
Couldn't be bothered to win the old fashioned way, put up a platform, make their case and let people decide freely.
Now I remember why I've alway f'n avoided f'n politics.
All you need to know is vote for Rylde when he runs.
Dill you did the right thing, but now you are being petty again.
Another A-hole of our wonderful political class. And look he's in the #6 party.
He should've been a good boy, followed orders and kept it all in the backroom, eh?
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@Canuck I am not sure what you are suggesting. I a merely doing my part to ensure the PTO party is destroyed. Unlike you who refuses to leave the PTO party. Learn to put Canada before yourself for a change.
"He should've been a good boy, followed orders and kept it all in the backroom, eh?"
*ding* *ding, ding, ding, ding*
Also, I want people to observe how easily this dangerous party is destroyed. They needed the 6 pickles to move to the SUFFER party to take over #5 (just barely). With my suggestion to move elsewhere they will have to shuffle some from... I don't know... MDP?
In any event it isn't like I could wave a magic wand and make members disappear.
He wasn't doing a wrong thing before. He was just doing it too soon.
So, let me get this straight. We have a couple of avatars who are representing a couple of political parties who are trying to control all adversaries and effectively take over the political process of a country.
Shoot, all you'd need is for one or both of those avatars to be a transplant from another country who was blacklisted for being a threat and you'd have... wait for it.. Nevermind, I think those are stupid letters and I won't use them.
I am really confused, eCanada, is this what we're about? I thought we were free thinkers. Do you really like being controlled by people who you wouldn't trust washing your cars or mowing your lawns? I put up with it because this is a game and I know that to many people, eRep is the best their ever going to have it, but I draw the line at seeing a great guy being bashed by these tools because he threatens their power struggle.
I am just one fight button, but, I can assure you that my fight button will be silent until DMV and Xander rescind their orders to dill and apologize for being pricks. I hope that Dill and his supporters and friends will also take this pledge.
eCanada may be imaginary, but Dill is a person who has given a lot while taking a lot of personal attacks. This has gone too far.
1) Do not care about the "power struggle." I welcome competition.
2) I am not bashing Dill. Nor will I. I do not doubt his intentions.
3) There are no orders to rescind. I felt it was a reasoned discussion where facts were presented and weighed, and a conclusion was reached.
If Dill wants to run for PP of CPF, or start a new political party and bring a new layer of competition to the top 5, bring it on. But let's handle the terrorists first, please.
There were no orders given, a discussion took place and Dill decided to do what was best for eCanada. I wasn't exactly prick in the discussion either. I know Dill initially disagreed with our points, but he made his own decision. No one twisted his arm. We merely made a case for why allowing this particular party to continue to exist was a bad idea.
Aww... Simulare, didn't know you cared. :hugs:
(If you know him like I do then you realize he just blew coffee through his nose. lol)
Serious, like I said in the beginning of this article,
"Normally I'm up for a fight but this time it involves more than just me or my MU. I don't want to start a storm that will eventually involve most everyone.".
This is not the battleground to die on. That is why I relented, to spare Canada another dose of my dicks bigger than your dick. If DMV has a plan to magically make that group disappear then I'm all for it. I just don't see it being an easy chore. My experience is that you remove PTO by making their task impossible (i.e. not allowing them into Congress) which ruins their fun and they leave on their own. As it stands all they have to do (if they are a serious threat) is to get on their local forums and recruit a dozen of their friends to join eRep as Canadian citizens.
I try to look at the big picture. There is a strong possibility that some, if not many (that are still active) might not be bad people as they were duped into joining the game. I was going to PM the n00bs and start a dialog. It doesn't take too long in this game to figure out if someone is fulla crap.
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Long story short, while I appreciate the support, you guys have done more to make my case by speaking up than withholding you clicks on a stupid fight button ever could. Play the game as you see fit but don't protest by ruining what little fun there is here. 🙂
I appreciate your statements but it wasn't coffee that shot out of my nose. On the downside, you do owe me $75 for the line of coke i shot across a stripper's rack. Anyhow, I digress. The point has been made, eCanada is taken over and its going to be up to more than us to correct. Of course, with the way eCanada's population is dying off, its painfully clear that this takeover has been successful. The zealots have driven the casual players away. Now they are mandating which parties may exist and which may not.
That said, I will continue to support DMV for CP of eCanada. (Unless you're running, of course)
apparently you have not seen my girl friend. Her beaver is just fine 🙂
Requesting everyone vote for this. ^__^
Stooge.
Indeed.