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100% agreed

I could be wrong, but I think this involves the USWP, Libs, and SEES somehow. 😛

Ligtreb speaks very wise words.

Go ligtreb!

I know I say this every month, but it is more serious this month.

but hey, if only someone was willing to speak out against a domestic PTO ten months ago

Mad props. Voted

❤ /me swoons

best thing written about the revolution and counter-revolution so far.

Good stuff, voted.

CROY IS OUR REBEL LEADER.
TALK TO HIM

Penix propaganda :😁

Free eTexas o/

The voice of reason as usual, well done, Ligtreb o7

Why did this even need to be said?

Just a few short weeks ago it was alright to use the PTo because as a 'game mechanic' it was within the rules. Now all of a sudden it is wrong. Just where were these 'morals' back then. Good luck tomorrow and remember you reap what you sow.

He speaks the Truth.. Good Artical..

Roleplaying as in having a storyline is acceptable.

Roleplaying as in doing counterproductive actions that have real consequences in the game is stupid, short sighted and immature. I helped give the 'Revolution' a counter voice in the first days but PTOing the political parties involved in a joke is stupid.

Ligtreb is absolutely right when he says this is taking things a step too far.

The whole thing was retarded from the begining

voted

CHS, there's a big difference between PTOing enemies and PTOing allies.

Yo Lig, we did it to pressure Frost to back out and it worked, he did and so did Claire. All we want is a secure party like anyone else. Sorry for the confusion, but we couldn't exactly gain leverage by saying we were joking. Hope you understand the realities of the situation.

Also, if Frost was planning to pull out anyways, I wish he had made that clear to me. We made a pubic ultimatum directed at him to leave the race earlier in the week, and he chose to ignore it. We made it very clear we would respond if he did not. If anything, he took it too far. We acted in self-preservation.

~ C

Finally someone who is making speaking sense.

why not?

And Ligtreb hits one out of the ballpark again. While the whole revolution/counter-revolution in the eUSA is hilarious (from an outside perspective), it seems to be going a bit over the edge.

All in all, the Media articles have been fun to read.

Agreed with Ligtreb AND Cold Hearted Snake (again).

Every joke has an unspoken expiration date.

I think this revolution/counter thing has reached it.

The voice of reason, great article.

Technically, nothing that went on tonight was role-play. We did what we did to secure our party. Any other smart party would have done the same thing. Smart party leadership also would have understood that this was a gambit.

The USWP's response (MMing all of the Libs twice with two faked Libertarian orgs telling all members to vote for Josh Frost) showed the intelligence of their leadership. We never intended to PTO or MM. They responded by MMing Libs and trying to PTO us.

I don't think anyone will give the Libs the moral high ground on this whole situation, but whatever, the USWP can claim their moral high ground all they want. Us Libs will keep having fun, and yea, playing according to game mechanics, when mechanics are involved.

~ C

Ligtreb the great has spoken and i agree.

Ligtreb can do no wrong. Voted and agreed!

Lol CRoy, how does it feel to have another party swoop in and take charge of your members? Pretty terrible, eh?

ilu when you troll, Kaz. It's very cute.

Nonsense. So what if we PTO'd ourselves? Neither of those PTO candidates would have won, or come close. Well Josh might have come close. I was leaning towards voting for him. I love a good PTO.

Ligtreb, you're my favorite.

Good article Lig.

I don't know that the stakes/outcomes would have caused any serious disasters, but still, taking the RP a bit too far.

I don't know how many more times I'm going to have to say this short of writing an article: no Lib is trying to PTO anyone. Everything was withdrawn and it was only done to get Frost to withdraw.

Also, Cromstar (USWP member) is running for SEES PP, with the tacit approval of the USWP. Explain that one for me. PDeb of the Feds also tried to jump onto the Lib ballot at the last minute, but thankfully the Federalists are fairly inept at most everything these days, and he missed the cut.

So who are the PTOers? Awaiting anyone's response.

~ C

Good article Lig. x2

I too agree the Revolutionary theme has run its course; as many members of the community would. The dichotomy has revealed how much polarization exists within our eUnion. Game Mechanics as they continue to evolve are at the very heart of all the expressed issues. Unity, Compromise, and Community must coexist in order for leadership to become stable; which is, the one thing we all need.

Lig's intentions were good in this article... as are all his intentions. I see where he is coming from, but unfortunately it was an unnecessary article that of which he had no clue was unnecessary. He's a good friend and I hope he understands why what was done had to be done.

I can see the ghosts of the eU.S.' past emerging quite rampantly here.

I agree. I also have been silent about all the role-play because it really wasn't interfering with anything important.

Once again when the 'elitist' do something it is all a joke or role-playing, when it gets turned back on them it is suddenly not a joke or the role-playing has gone to far. I don't care what they say the attempted PTo of the parties involved where a real attempt to 'take over' and control all parties, he who controls the top 5 controls congress.

We get this after a week of waiting for a new article?

Hey CRoy, who told you the USWP approved of Cromstar's run?

>tacit

>PTOs are good for game mechanics
>PTOs are bad for game mechanics
>mfw

Signed

Ligtreb has always been such a pathetic hypocrite. He belongs to that class of the elite that thinks that the rules of the game belong to them. He couldn't even spell "national interest" if he tried - much less "class struggle". Real revolutions are about something other than a cult of personality - they have real consequences. The minute you get real politics in this game, guys like ligtreb start whining about too much "role playing". They speak this impenetrable language all their own, as it were self-evident. Well, me bucko

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Agree!

lol'd at seabury, really? how can you not like ligtreb

@samuel: all i see in that comment is jealousy

I would speak to Josh Frost before whining to us. He's the one that keeps addressing himself as chancelor.