Why socialism failed? [short review] & New possibilities [Discussion]
Red_Baxter
History has once again repeated itself... but why, we must ask ourselves, right?
As it all developed up with Utku plan for social annihilation, we saw many theories why is it happening, that what IS happening...
Well, if u ask peoples opinion, its simple!
Dedicated anti-communists say:
Haha, we told you! Only dead commie is good commie, better dead than red... ect.
To sum all spamming up: ˝Communism is wrong ideology and will fall as fast as it shown up.˝
Dedicated communists say:
Dont mind fascist trolls, we need unity against imperialism, capitalism etc!
To sum all spamming up: ˝Steps like these are necessary to defend people from capitalist exploit (ofc, implementing even more radically exploitable system)˝
Something looks sh**ty to me, I must say, in both theories...
Lets be rational and logical now and find the real reason why socialist regime declined...
We all have opinion about socialism, communism ect, but most of that opinion is generalized by our personal surrounding and our personal impressions of happenings from past and I have no intention to go into that, but I just like to counter all left and right radicals with certain approach, just in order to point out their lack of self-tolerance, lack of rational thought and lack of personal insight into this huge problem.
Lots of leftist radicals have no idea what historical materialism even means; what means that most radical and anti-dogmatic method of insight to world history and its process in its highest totality. Once you get insight what that is, and understand first existential problem of humans, it goes further: what options humanity have, what to do about it? It goes into wide discussion as dialectical problem.
But no, only thing we read about communism IS manifesto, which Engels himself later in his life condemned, because of lack of sophisticated way to give people insight what communism in first place is. Point we get at the end is just like the one we notice often in communist media: capitalism is evil, communism is good, kill capitalists, implement so called ˝proletarian˝ dictatorship ect. And I dont mind kids to think that way, its not much different than extreme nationalism and anti-communism - which has no other purpose than stand against communist idea, weather it is even stronger dictatorship... (thanks Smrtan/Pinochet for inspiration - alternative for boring nazism, lets say)
As Orwell sai
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"The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history."
So, its very huge problem to discuss whole situation in CZ atm, but from rational thought I say that RL communist fail happened in this game also, just because of repeating same mistakes and having same perspective that communists in power had in RL.
˝Official˝ communism stagnated in its wish to develop himself beyond his social possibilities - absolute knowledge - and separated theory from practice, becoming something more like historical (monarchical) absolutist-revisionism. So, it has actually reversed theory from practice, but thats ok, we are full of those craps in modern democratic RL politic after all...
So, in such position, we reached the end of Utku mandate. Communist political movement that once was unified in its ˝lowest˝ historical purpose - ˝destruction of capitalist regime and implementation of proletarian dictatorship˝ came to its self-negation, dispersed in many ways and left place for ˝cruel capitalist right˝ to take over politic of country.
But it didnt happened, and we all know how and why. I myself sent ticket to admin but got no response from him yet.
***Afterall, I got indirect confirmation of Utku, on chat, for using bots in elections.
But its the question: is he only so much childish to point out that dictatorship in CZ will never be crushed, or I'm just exaggerating xD
Unfortunately, he soon left chat so I couldnt find out what he really meant
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-Utku on the run
IS THERE A WAY OUT?
At the end, this situation brought us into quiet social desperation and some new questions are showing up...
So my personal question would be: Is there tendency of creating new societal movement in eCZ, the one that is not determined by political conflicts between lefts and rights, but the one that has in mind creation of society which is at first point free from dictatorship, society that is democratically transparent and respectful and one that is working together?
I hope we can start rational discussion about present situation in country and approach to this problem with new way of thinking. Until that, dont mind the eCZ life being a endless wandering, line of defeats and dissapointments for every citizen... I please every citizen to say his opinion about this!
Let the pioneers of new eCZ emerge, I believe that whatever our political ideologies are, we can unite together against any oppression and declination of principal human rights in this game.
J.P. Sartre:
“Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does (and everything he doesn't)”
Your friend,
RedBaxter
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I am afraid of writing an in depth reply as the admin might delete it. But to sum up, Socialism works well on a small scale where goals are unified and simple. Once there is enough room for multiple social goals is where selfishness and greed derail socialisms benefits.
Hmm, because it's ideology of one German drunk unemployed guy? xD
agreed with Red Duck
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V+S o7
Red, we missed you, boy 😃
As we are speaking about CR History, I believe it has much to do with PTOs, every now and then someone new arrive with some new party, win the elections and flee with the gold.
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great article i must say. and i agree completely with Phoenix Quinn.
Phoenix Quinn and Red Duck took the words of my mouth. They said all I would say (and some things more).
As part of the military, journalism and politics, the economy is also a fun part of the game.
Lower taxes, AT THIS TIME OF CRISIS, is help to the country.
I would remind, once again, that Socialism is Freedom.
A big hug to everyone,
Mestre Luiz
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I don't regret when I think why did I give you a citizenship Red Baxter 😉
I think we can't look communism and fascism as two similar ideologies because communism is in theory pure and fascism is rotten and evil.
Socialism in Czech Republic had good ideas and could work. I absolutely agree with you that socialists and communists should let the past and go into future. Forget Stalinism and similar forms of socialism which "should lead towards communism"
Most of socialists/communists in Czech Republic don't try HELPING PEOPLE but arguing about what we as communist can do and what can't, what is morally and what is not. That was the main problem IMO.
For people who doesn't understand socialism and workers' struggle please watch this movie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEzXln5kbuw
@Saxogrammiticus Pendragon_
1)Please read my first comment.
2)After it my article: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/tko-of-czech-republic-tko-of-socialist-party--1483438/1/20
We werent againist socialists because their ideology and definately were willing to cooperate.
3)About bank was decided before elections, in public debate. It was imho most democratic decision of government during last months.
in order from start:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/ceska-narodni-banka-proposal-1464200/1/20
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/meeting-about-cnb-en-cz--1470589/1/20
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/novinky-z-eska-news-from-the-czech-republic-1472378/1/20
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/20-cnb-1476166/1/20
There were not any objections from socialists that times. They started after elections.
Agreed with PhoenixQ
Nice vid Simonov, and to point out earlier written thought in different way:
whole leftist bloc entered August and September presidential elections with so wrong plan, the one that was going against earlier political systems and against already enough socialized system of country functionality through certain means of production that was started long time ago as I was economy minister.
Communist rule brought accumulated wealth with newly invested means of production, but it was, sadly, stolen at the end. At the end of mandate we all saw stupidity of still current rule which was going against primary existentialist needs of citizens and negation of socialism itself.
But today we finally achieved first step of reason, with lowering minimum wage:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/Czech-Republic/law/50495
:cheers:
I agree with Simonov.
Red Duck, there isn't a single election where a socialist is elected, that you don't call it fraud! You are very objective, hahaha.
And not only Communists mess RL with the game, but capitalists do so, too!
I think the ghost of RL enforced "Socialism" and Stalinism is still too heavy to permit pure eCommunism to be introduced in a country like eCzech Republic.
Voted.
@Aldameldo:
"Red Duck, there isn't a single election where a socialist is elected, that you don't call it fraud! You are very objective."
Check please graphs. In article is also comparision with fair elections. The problem is very objective. As is objective that MrPollo previous account was banned because multies. As well Dr Skin. Objective facts.
"And not only Communists mess RL with the game, but capitalists do so, too!" Read my comment and the beginning of part with messing rl. I agree with you🙂
Michal Malkovsky was also banned for multies, but you haven't said a word! And we were both Ministers of him. (or at least I was).
RL czechs are a problem, I mean the anglophone government should approach them, and I agree with you. Remember that my first action was to create a Language and Translation Sector in the Ministry of Population? Where is it now?
@Aldameldo: MM was banned shortly after presidentials I think.
About ministry of population I dont know. I gave it to your (MrPollo)government on request. As minister I was running also translations.
@Aldameldo
˝I think the ghost of RL enforced "Socialism" and Stalinism is still too heavy to permit pure eCommunism to be introduced in a country like eCzech Republic˝
Ofc, as long as you, one of people from regime, still support destructible minimum wage... isnt this your shout:
Vote NO! http://www.erepublik.com/en/Czech-Republic/law/50182
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As long as left supports such regime and such wages and taxes, I have no faith in your future actions
Voted and subscribed, and I agree 100%
Down with Akinism!
@R😨 M.M. was banned, so it's proven he had multies. Pollo and Akin are still around, so your words are nothing else than mud-throwing.
@RB: I was Minister, so had to support my own gov't. About the shout, I have no comment to make.