Why I hate the JCS
Harrison Richardson
I guess I should add another disclaimer. I don’t hate all of the JCS even. Hugs&Kisses GoalieBCSC.
Recently, Training Corps Colonel Necros Xiaoban wrote an article and he was critical of President Krems. I read the article and found some of his points to be with merit. However, one point that stuck with me was that he criticized the President for not talking with the JCS. I just couldn’t let this one go by without responding.
Woah, wait, back that up a minute. What? Did he really just put his foot that far in his mouth? In case you didn’t notice, the JCS, for the most part, despises the US Forum. Therefore, they don’t go to the Presidential Briefings there. They must hold separate briefings at their own forum. The problem is, they tend to have a hard time granting access to the right people. It took them four days to grant me access. As of yet, President Krems has not been given access on the military forum to the Briefings. And, yet, Necros has the gall to criticize the President for not communicating with the JCS.
All is well, right? We’ll just use IRC. Whoops. The Chairman doesn’t use IRC (or hasn’t recently). You see, there is a JCS channel (We’ll call it #amazingchannel for now) where they hang out. Back in my first term, during WWIII, the JCS allowed Presidents in there (The JCS is always allowed in even the most secret Executive channels. Sometimes only the Chairman is given access, but they are always given access). However, when I was elected again, I was informed that I wouldn’t be granted access to this channel. I was a security risk, so they said. So, they created a side-channel where they would all idle (We’ll call it #notamazing) and answer my questions. The problem was, no discussion ever went on there unless I prompted it. Throughout my term, I felt like the onus was on me to act as messenger between the JCS and everyone else. The JCS refused to do the simplest things like enter in to EDEN channels. I admit, the EDEN representatives at times were immature, but if the JCS are serious about their jobs, they can put something petty like getting kicked from a channel late at night when people are drunk aside. I do.
What goes on in these briefings, might you ask? Well, depending on the day, you might get Lucky yelling at you incoherently, Lucky yelling at you coherently, or.. Lucky yelling at you somewhat coherently. Here are some pictures for your viewing pleasure from my term. This is a secure area of the military forum and will no doubt get me in deep doo-doo with the JCS. I felt it’s my property, as it’s of my administration and a thread meant to brief me. So, here are some pictures:
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Jankems giving me a great briefing.
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I’m aware more than two branches exist in the military. I’ve been around since the military was created. Thanks for the patronizing messages, though. Anyway, my intention here was to send some strong forces to help the Philippines. Instead of offering strategic advice, I get this.
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Same old same old.
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More strategic brilliance. Justifying why I wasn’t in #amazingchannel.
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Agreeing with EDEN = EDEN lapdog. Cool story bro. Further, notice me making the solid tactical approach (not wasting money). But, hey, let the insults roar in the Presidential Briefing thread.
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They broke said agreement two posts later or something like that.
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The JCS got very angry (and filled a day’s briefing) when I said that “We liberated Limpopo during my term.” Said statement is true. I made the call to fund the battle after Lion King was lost. NXNW came to me and asked for funding and I granted it when we were low. Apparently, that is discrediting over 600 people. Nitpicking? Naww.
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Now, this one I just plain don’t get. If I don’t talk to the JCS, I’m leaving them out of the loop. If I do, and I ask for their guidance, I’m riding on their coattails. All I asked for was DOD Orders, man. I’m not sure why the JCS controls the Department of Defense orders anyway. Maybe it’s another dick measuring thing.
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In fairness, I felt it proper to show my response. Some snark from me indeed. At this point, I was just tired of it. For the record, want to know why so many Presidents rage quit? This article is talking about the very reason.
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Also on the record of DOD access. I was denied it because I wasn’t trustworthy. That’s a bit comical. I don’t think it’s their place to say, but that’s just me. The people elect the President. I called NXNW’s power play what it was.
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I classify this as one of the semi coherent.
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COMPLETELY INCOHERENT. Also, quite angry that someone took his power away. I hear he got quite angry at NXNW in private about this whole issue. NXNW messed up, lost their unchecked power, and then this happened. Oh dear!
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This one was just great. Now, I don’t deny my past, but at this point, the election was wrapped up. In the official MI orders, Seuss (then CO) decided it proper to more or less say “don’t vote for HR.” Surely the JCS isn’t political at all!
I begged PigInZen to save IRC logs from all of this conversations to one day publish them. I know Krems has some and I know Chocolate McSkittles has some. Whether or not they despise the JCS like I do is yet to be determined. I do feel the need to take this time to say a few things about a few JCS members I always found easy to work with: Paradiziac, Hadrian_X, GoalieBCSC, and Deificus (sorry if I misspell that one. Always do). Those are people who may disagree with you but will still work with you. In my practice, jankems, NXNW, Seuss, Lucky, Channing, and a cabal of others take any idea they don’t like (normally, even picturing ourselves in the same side as EDEN) and try to ram it up your (beep) so hard until you faint. It tires a man out.
I dislike the JCS because they are a group that is virtually unchecked (well, not any longer). They were for a year and they ran the country and that wasn’t cool with me. As was shown with NXNW when he wanted to do this and I wanted to do that, they aren’t always right. They were wrong there and I was right. I know, a broken clock is right twice a day. I dislike the JCS because they have no set retirement schedule. People want the big chair so much (some people) that they stay far past their expiration date just to get to it. Also, it’s the same fricken group of people that control power. You could say the same about the Executive, but no where does a person get so much power for doing so little continually month after month. There are a few old time JCS who transitioned from CO/XO to “adviser” roles and more or less ran the joint.
In the days of Harlot, the CJCS was great. He hates me and I hate him, but he respected the boundaries on his power. What made him great was his communication. He communicated with you. It wasn’t like the extraction it is now. To get any information, I have to beg for it on any number of different IRC rooms and forums. Over the course of the wars and the time after, the President became apathetic and gradually let the JCS get more and more power. When someone dared to stop them, all hell ensued. If you’ve ever wondered why I did what I did, why I think the JCS is too immature to handle even the most basic responsibilities, and why I do not want the JCS anywhere near foreign policy, this is why.
I’m considering releasing the logs, in full, from during my term. It’s been a while now and I think it’d be a fun little experiment. I’ll gauge reaction here and then decide.
I think I’m at my image limit for the article, so no tradition this time. Sorry.
HR
Comments
OH sweet god.
v4intrigue
Wow.
At least you got forum access 😛 I haven't gotten forum access or DoD order access and I never even stole the treasury 😛
tight
inb4angryJCSmembers
Thanks for trying to help Philippines! We're still allies to the sole few eAmericans who WANT to help us, and don't feel like their being forced.
Get over it.
Jelly: We did send troops there, after I ordered the JCS to do it. I merely asked the Marines, our most experienced and best equipped, to do it. Apparently, that required a teaching lesson.
fun stuff
What interests me the most is the timing. In the end it boils down to politifags hating milifags and vice versa - nothing will change this. So I can't say I'm shocked at all.
Leroy: I'm over it. I'm responding to Necros' article. He had his say, I have mine. He opened this can of worms by saying the CP wasn't talking to the JCS enough.
Lol @ Leroy Combs
*Head Explodes*
HR is god.
>At least you got forum access I haven't gotten forum access...
😁^
This, they have work on.
I saw this coming but I was/am to lazy to care or make a difference. There should be some limit to the time a member of JCS can spend as part of the JCS. 3-4 months sounds good to me.
Johnpauljones: Your argument is invalid. Milfags and politifags are the same exact thing
Those posts are pathetic. The plain fact is that if the leaders of military can't respect authority over them, then they are clearly power crazed and must be removed. It's disgusting that we've come to this.
@xRoWx Triggers I disagree 100% Yout got your milfags, you got your politifags, you got your hacker fags too, then you just got the down right fags. Everyone knows some of those. Maybe a certain guy from eIndonesia? IDK.
"Milfags and politifags are the same exact thing" [citation needed]
Ho. Lee. Sh@t.
I've seen more civil, enlightened discussions in a back alley knife-fight.
(Okay, I've never been at a back alley knife-fight, but I've read the police reports).
I hope things are going a bit smoother now.
The JCS should want to include the person who controls the war buttons in any relevant conversation. Release the logs, HR.
Hm.
Release the logs. It is crap like this that I left the USA over a year ago.
I don't think the point Necros was trying to make was solely based upon the CP's relationship with the JCS. His main point was that our POTUS wasn't living up to the promises made before he was elected (or that's how I took it). I have a hard time disagreeing with that point and, furthermore, think that all the excuses and "passing of the buck" that I've seen in the comments of these articles is pathetic.
Then we take away different major points from the article. I think the way he worded it, I think he bolded it, and where he placed it made that a critical part of the article, so I responded to it.
As I said elsewhere, this is not defending Krems. It is saying that the JCS suck.
Full disclosure and all. A revolution or two never hurt anyone.
I can't blame them for not trusting you, Lucky's points at least make sense.
RELEASE. THE. LOGS. 😉
Fuck this game that won't let me post examples from Frost and My term of a BRO TIER JCS/President relationship.
I don't think these logs make you smell like roses, HR. You appear difficult, my opinion. Angry, hostile. Much more than NXNW in the logs here, who seems to be making civil attempts in the earliest posts. That said, the money they spend is ours, some of us buy gold with RL money (gasp!). I want someone at the top who is answerable to the public, someone I can complain to and about, and work to remove, if need be. But really, no way a comments section could fairly disect all of this. This just ends up being (surprise) another popularity contest. Civies will back HR in majority, and military will back JCOS. So the point of this is what again? The law past. Military needs to make strategy that enforces/reinforces civilian political aims. But daily, that strategy should be left to military, our of respect to their specialty. Also, some "chats" may stay private, my opinion. As they can anywhere between people. Not everything and everywhere the CJOS go is public domain, or public (or Executive) area/access. They should be able to have their own confidences, free to speak their minds without anyone else hearing the "rough draft". And call that place whatever they want: A bar, a livingroom, the JCOS conference table. Meh.
The JCS should want to include the person who controls the war buttons in any relevant conversation. Release the logs, HR. x2
Ligtreb is right.
JCS/POTUS relations were awesome for me, during my term. I honestly never had any trouble with the JCS. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that my term saw the best JCS/POTUS relations since Josh Frost's last term in office (though I may be exaggerating a bit). They had my back when I needed them to, because I made sure to keep them in the loop for all discussions. The JCS aren't bad guys by any means, and they deserve the respect they've earned. It's a two way street, and if the POTUS is willing to make steps to work with the JCS, the JCS will meet them half way. If you aren't...well...obviously they get angry. That's life. In my opinion, it's the POTUS's job to reach out and talk to the JCS. Treat them as what they are, the top military minds in the country. Let them do their jobs, and they'll be nothing but reciprocal.
Have to agree with Bradley 110%
Sigh....
Second to last paragraph "Mr. President, I am asking you to get off your ass. You assured me in our debate you had contacts the world over. Use them. You hoped to work with JCS and reform our military. Talk to them. You promised to bring together the finest economic minds the world had to offer, and solve our economic woes. Get it done." To be perfectly honest, the way he worded the article, he actually drew the most attention to how Krems effectively threw in the towel and than barely updated the country since his election.
If you want to start slinging mud to shift the focus from what the article was actually about, at least be honest about why you're doing it. You can do whatever you want, obviously. Let the shitstorm ensue.
When you're communicative and know what you're doing, the JCS/Prez relationship is pretty great. In my term we were able to liberate all of South Africa save 1 region, Western Australia, and were gunning for Liaoning until that damn bug hit. Reala is correct: it's a two way street. There are some JCS members who could step up their game, but I feel it's a mutual problem. Neither side trusts the other, gets in a "pissing match" as you call it, and then accuses the other one of doing so. 6_9 They're smart and hardworking individuals and we have honest to god one of the best, if not the best minds at analyzing this war module in Lucius.
HAHAHAHAHAHA Looks like someone needs a feminine napkin.
Reported for quotation of private discussion without the consent of those parties.
Full disclosure and all. A revolution or two never hurt anyone.x2
but for probably different reasons. don't make war with the military we know how to actualy war.
Reported for quotation of private discussion without the consent of those parties.
good job you are getting someone who helps us FPs when he'll just repost it on the forums. keep it up
The JCS/CP relationship is great until you disagree with the JCS, as far as I remember.
you stole the entire tresery and you wonder why no one trusts you franco?
stupid argument. he could screw us over way worse as a president, even if he didn't have access to the DoD.
No one trusts him
Derp i guess he didn't get elected then derp
I didn't wonder why some don't trust me. I never claimed that. I'd be careful to say "no one", as I was elected after I admitted that past.
the military has a funny record of never being able to vote in america because we serve america and all of her interests in every way we can
I believe we earn a few things with service such as what we do.
Any JCS that won't use the IRC can't be all bad...
I also think it is quite humorous to see Emerick railing about somebody else being "power crazed". Thanks, boys, for making my day.
The idea behind the JCS is perfect and - with both parts willing to work - the final result should be the best. Sounds it's more personal than anything. Not their fault at all.
HR: I am no longer a Colonel, in the Corps, or even the military for that matter. I'm just an independent citizen disheartened by his president's defeatism
More falsified propaganda from hr, who would of guessed?