Why have enemies when we have ourselves?
Rainer N
Hello, thanks taking the time to give a read on some of my thoughts. I'm an old codger by Erep standards, I'd like to think that I've seen a fair bit in my time and that my views are pretty balanced. Of course there is no such thing as the "TRUTH" as we all view things through our own looking glass.
Wes Lewis and the Theft
Although it is Still fairly early on most people have now heard that the eCanadian Treasury has been robbed yet again. Some reports say the damage was only 1500 gold, I've seen another that said 2500 gold. Currently Wes Lewis is claiming hackers did it, however given the scandal surrounding his election it seems a little unlikely. Furthermore, the current article up by Rolo tahmasee regarding the CAF supply spreadsheets were almost undoubtedly supplied to him by Wes Lewis; call me crazy but i don't think a hacker would bother to do that.
tl;dr - Wes Lewis more than likely DID steal it and wasn't hacked.
Rolo Tahmasee and Wes sitting in a tree... touching each other?
As mentioned above currently Rolo has an article up regarding the CAF supplies which is an OBVIOUS attempt at re-directing attention away from himself and the recent theft. Furthermore, Rolo proposed an impeachment vote of Wes Lewis, which on the surface would seem to indicate he and Wes are not in cahoots. However, if one thinks about it, technically congress SHOULD automatically vote this down according to congressional procedure any proposed legislation that was not discussed on forums would be an automatic vote of NO. BUT, if this were to happen we could not propose another impeachment for another 5 days (or something). So in reality Rolo is screwing with us again. I honestly find myself wondering if Wes is just a Rolo Multi and if we haven't been robbed by the same guy twice.
tl;dr Wes and Rolo in obvious cahoots? maybe even multi of same guy?
Wes, Rolo & TCO
Although it's not my place to publish TCO business, As a die hard Crimson I must speak because TCO is really one of the few things I care about in this game.
1) It is my firm belief that TCO was also robbed by Wes Lewis. This is going back a few months, and there wasn't any fanfare, but a few months back we had a weeks' worth of supply gold go missing. During this time I believe Wes Lewis had access to our orgs as a legion sargeant. I find this all to co-incidental, and therefore sincerely believe that not only was Wes not hacked and that he did it , but that TCO was also robbed. (shortly afterward he left to the U.S. right after we tightened up security on our orgs)
2) While The Crimson Order community doesn't give a shat what outsiders think of us. We care deeply about our members. Today the TCO executives unanimously decided that henceforth Wes Lewis and Rolo will be banned from membership, IRC, Forums access and kicked out of our companies. This was due to pressure from inside our community. While the final decision was with the exec's (homer, JRC, Damien, Charles) it was the tribe that brought the situation to bear.
tl;dr ; We're pretty sure Wes stole directly from TCO a while back & the members of The Crimson Order community can no longer accept Rolo or Wes as members... the tribe has spoken.
You can all say I told you so now... but what did we learn?
So obviously those that wished to impeach Wes Lewis were right from the get go. However, they weren't right until Wes actually stole the money and I admit I was in the "give a guy a chance" category. BUT what we really need to learn from this is that we need a group of TRUSTED individuals to administer our country accounts; these individuals should hand out gold on a limited basis so that a raging CP cannot do too much damage.
I KNOW you're thinking, well the guy we give the password to is probably going to steal from us. Well the truth is we have to trust somebody, or else make it so that there are no taxes in this country at all so that there is nothing to steal.
tl;dr = Country Presidents should henceforth not be given access to our FULL country accounts, but rather have limited access with a few TRUSTED canadians acting as bankers.
Why have enemies when we have ourselves
So this is what our 3'rd or 4'th major theft? Did you all know that the DEFINITION of insanity is repeating the same action expecting different results? When are we going to learn that we need to establish a SYSTEM of fail safes to ensure that a raging CP can't do TOO MUCH damage?
Many of you are calling for Wes to be banned from this forum or that chat room, news flash .. THE DAMAGE IS DONE. I call on you all to demand a new and safer way of doing things!
Don't become Jaded
Lastly I would say to you all, don't become jaded, don't be afraid to trust someone new. If we just put the right safeguards in place we can allow new players to take up mantels of responsibility. Think of Jacobi when he was first elected CP, at that time he had only served in congress twice and what an exceptional contributer to Canadian Society he became. Think of TemujinBC, many of you didn't trust him because he was from TCO, but oh how he surprised you by doing a great job.
The next great eCanadian is out there, it is our job to make sure that they have the opportunity to have fun with this game too. More specifically I believe it is congress' Job to make sure these safeguards get put in place.
Thanks for reading my scattered thoughts
-Rainer N
Captain
Heavy Moose Cavalry
Comments
2800 gold stolen, though technically there is still 100 or so in one org, but since we have no access, it's effectivly lost to us.
plus about 15k in CAD, sorry, I keep forgeting about that part.
We need to weed out the snakes among us.
We need to ban Wes Lewis and Rolo Tahmasee from #eCan IRC immediately. We need to set an example.
"Why have enemies when we have ourselves?"
Best fucking line ever.
I hate all of you so much
False information, I have never in history been a TCO Captain, you guys act liked I hurt you?
Moving Forward
In ireland they do have an org keeper, who keep some of the stuff, whenver an impeachement is proposed he locks everything up so that the prez can't steal anything.
It works great from what I heard, not perfect, but it does provide some more security.
maybe not a captain wes but you had org access at a time when TCO was robbed, now you're CP and eCan is robbed.
Agreed Tem, lets move forwards, but lets also learn something.
i mean this is what? our 3'rd or 4'th major robbery.
I was Sgt. of I think the 2nd then Rainer?
screwups happen, lets move on.
Wes : is it you or a hacker talking now, you can never be sure?
Is that JRC or a hacker hiding all of those TCO Funds away, you can never be sure?
Didn't game mechanics get this guy elected.
The same game mechanics that go bonkers every now and then causing errors like our skewed election.
Now we want to put our stock in the hands of 'TRUSTED individuals' that are not necessarily chosen by game mechanics, perhaps someone like a forum root admin or a former CP, or military leader. Chucky's suggestion about an org keeper sounds like a start. Or perhaps we need to hand over greater power to Congress, as it has the strongest veto and input on most matters in eCanada.
I'm beginning to see why we need to better support institutions that used to help us guide the nation from a stance that was outside politics and finance, ones like the Supreme Court and CSIS. Sure, they seem to be undergoing some renovations, but hopefully one day they can be used to keep a reckoning of who's in and who's out.
Otherwise, let's get that Official Blacklist up and running so we know who to watch out for.
Plugson, I really liked the idea back when Rolo stole everything about completely ignoring him whenever he talks or says anything. I have been practicing that one for quite some time now, ever since I declared him dead to me. If everyone did likewise, he would just leave.
A good read Rainer N.
Etemenanki you are correct. However, that has to be combined with active ostracization. Bans from forum/IRC are the best way to tighten the noose around the neck of a snake, starving him of the social oxygen he needs to stay interested.
It worked with Ironman. Let's do it again.
I do not disagree Salty. Actions such as these two have committed can only be responded in kind.
Kick them out and lock the doors.
Lol saltydog was banned from the irc for excessive trolling and abusing mod powers he wasn't supposed to have.
"Bans from forum/IRC are the best way to tighten the noose around the neck of a snake, starving him of the social oxygen he needs to stay interested."
I lol'd.
I miss CC.
CAF just isn't the same.
Make do with the hand dealt though.
I wish CC the best.
Always a firm supporter from MDP
I dont believe Wes stole from the TCO, unless im wrong, he just didnt have the access to do it.
I trust TCO.
Forgive my comments, the suspense and excitment has gone in my head.
I still remember TCO of the past and how fun it was being in your channel--still yet.
Anyhow, dirtbag should deserve a dirtbag treatment. Banishing him from this community is the best way to solve this crisis. As TemujinBC fondly noted, "Move(ing) Forward."
alright apparently Wes having org access may or may not be accurate now.. the time lines are fuzzy as it was awhile ago. In any case i'll cling to my suspicions given the current situation.
the bright spot is JSboutin putting aside a foxy pocket stash of monies in case this very thing happened so that the CAF can maintain some level of supply.
Well even though I got blamed at the time for the TCO thefts, I'm glad to see that the true culprit has been identified. Also, despite my differences that I've had with TCO in the past, the decision to ban Wes and Rolo is what I have been calling for and I applaud you for it.
TCO, I no longer have a feud with you. You have proven me wrong and acted in the best interest of the community. Expect a formal statement of apology from me later today.
Great thoughts Rainer N - listen to this man
a good read Rainer o7
1) It is my firm belief that TCO was also robbed by Wes Lewis. This is going back a few months, and there wasn't any fanfare, but a few months back we had a weeks' worth of supply gold go missing. During this time I believe Wes Lewis had access to our orgs as a legion sargeant. I find this all to co-incidental, and therefore sincerely believe that not only was Wes not hacked and that he did it , but that TCO was also robbed. (shortly afterward he left to the U.S. right after we tightened up security on our orgs)
Last time i checked only the exes and the captains had access to the org at that time and during that short time we used that particular system to supply wes had no access to the orgs and neither did i give him the passwords to it