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OK I think I have to explain something:
The 41 UAH was my salary, because i worked in the goverment's iron.
Sturmwehr is my friend and he help for us to TO Moldovia. AND IT WAS MY MONEY. http://www.erepublik.com/en/forum/topic/[..]hr/1" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/forum/topic/[..]hr/1
AND I NEVER GET GOLD FROM UKRAIN (IF you don't belive me check my donateon list.) But i gave 5 gold to it, if you are interested in it😃.

IM REALLY SORRY TO FIGHT THIS COUNTRY FROM MY MONEY.

nice work in digging this up for the article, thanks!

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please check its
http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/donate/list/1504747/5" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/dona[..]47/5
and its
http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/donate/list/1504747/4" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/dona[..]47/4

man! not donate to, its donate from, you are a populist crazy men

and free 5 mpp-s?
and free q5 hospital?
and free 2 fight?

teh donate uah its a monetary market action and wages the nem ukrainen iron.

Do you like, if we taxed on romania?

ah...

@Jama999 - on numerous occasions I have been told by government officials and the President that the New Ukraine Organization and the Government of Ukraine org are actual government organizations and I simply re-posted a list of their donations over the last week.

I am merely showing people the numbers that are there - I did not add or remove anything except for a few item donations by the Government of Ukraine org which were 1 or 2 items to a handful of people.

The bottom line is you received 67 items, almost 71 gold and 51 UAH from the Government of Ukraine. That is plain to see from these orgs donations lists so I am not making it up. You also donated 54.13 gold and withdrew 65.9 gold from the Lehtosegek Bankja org in the last week which received - Gold 53.57 HUF 61 UAH 75 from the Government of Ukraine org over that time.

Anyone can look this information up in the donations lists of these organizations. I am merely pointing out public information. You say you did not get any gold from Ukraine but these donations lists say otherwise.

You say that the money given to Sturmwehr was yours yet it came from the Government of Ukraine org which as I was told by the president of Ukraine Falban is an official government org. In that case I can assume that you believe that all the money in the Government of Ukraine org is your money as well?

I did not accuse anyone of anything just put out public information for everyone to draw their own conclusions.

As I said I am not accusing anyone of anything. Just asking people to look into what organizations are doing and to be aware what is going on. I am the one that is being attacked and called crazy for posting information available to everyone.

If I made any mistakes in numbers or calculations I apologize but anyone can double check this information for themselves and make their own assumptions. All I am doing is asking for transparency. So that we don't have to wonder what is going on but know exactly what is going on.

@Mr Huba - I don't know if you are aware of what exactly it is you are calling me but populism is the belief in or advocacy of the rights, interests or wisdom of the common people. If that is indeed what you are accusing me of then yes, I am guilty as charged, I am fighting for the interests of the common people. How you can see that as wrong or bad I don't know.

"Do you like, if we taxed on romania?" - I really have absolutely no idea what this means.

Hello Karolina Jesieniecka from Russia... er from Romania!

I am sorry, but I have been doanting not receiving gold from the org!

I urge and warn you to correct this article immediately!
I fully support any action that supports the transparency of moving ukrainian money!
But if someone tries to ditort datas, i will do any acceptable steps against.

I really urge you to correct them ASAP (+plus by posting the action of correction!!!)

anyone sceptic, please check my personal donation list:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/donate/list/1303575/1" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/dona[..]75/1

Danylo, stop acting like a Romanian provocateur, RL Ukrainian descent doesn't give you ANY rights whatsoever to fly to this eCountry from eUSA (ally of eRomania, the country which wiped eUkraine off the map - remember?!) and start passing arbitrary judgment and making hasty conclusions.
eUkraine's resources and location make it too important to be left alone. Its small indigenous population makes it an easy target. So the question is not WHETHER it will be under foreign influence, but WHO and HOW will protect the country. Romanians choose the simple and easy way - they erased it from the map.
On the other hand the Hungarians have been doing a great job - put eUkraine back on the map, built hospitals, created companies, etc. - try to appreciate that before you start talking crap about wanting your eCountry back. First of all you have to make it YOUR country - right now most of the investment, economic activity, military and political activity here are Hungarian, so you have no ground for claiming you are being cheated out of anything, because you haven't done anything.
eHungary is acting in its own and your own best interest, so try to work out a mutually beneficial cooperation until (hopefully) Ukrainian baby-boom arrives.
And stop acting like a Romanian agent, who came here to try to create dissent and facilitate a re-occupation of eUkraine!

I am in process of editing bear with me.

Danylo is probably working for the eRomanians...

No, he's not, that's why I'm asking him to stop acting like one.

He just likes to play the part of the political dissenter and due to his Ukrainian heritage feel entitled to a seat on the eUkraine government 🙂

He seems to forget eUkraine was (re)built by the people who are currently running it, so first he has to contribute to the eCountry at least as much as they did, and then he can start insisting for explanations and justifications of their actions.

@Grakulan - I see you have finally found your way to my articles now - I feel honored to have the most famous poster in eRepublik gracing my articles now.

BTW I do not feel entitled to a seat in the Ukrainian government and have stated in almost all my posts and articles that i would not run for a government position until I was completely familiar with everythin that was going on in Ukraine and am doing my best to find out what is going on here.

I am trying to build a mutually beneficial cooperation but whenever I say anything that the current government disagrees with I get attacked and called stupid and told I have no rights here. I have just as much right here as anyone else.

And I have never said I was cheated out of anything so don't put words in my mouth.

Maybe you have to change your style of asking questions since you get such unfriendly replies - how about making them sound less like accusations and more like questions? I doubt the eUkrainian government, despite being made up mostly of Hungarians, will refuse the help of anyone genuinely interested in strengthening the country.

I don't think eHungary and eRomania plan on returning Podolia to eUkraine in the foreseeable future because the minute one of them loses or gives it up the other one grabs it, so it's a mater of denying the enemy access to the region as much as having it for one's own use.

But eUkraine can exist and develop quite well even without Podolia - you got Volhynia and from the eSwedish/ePolish-eGerman war you can see to what lengths even strong countries have to go just to get hold of a high-resource region. You have such a region, but to take advantage of that and to keep it you have to work on advertising the game and creating a baby-boom - that the Hungarians can't do for you. Once you have the baby-boom your bargaining and military power will increase and you can think about getting all your regions back. In the meantime be realistic and be friendly to those who have helped you, even if they did it for their own reasons.

Danylo, be realistic eUkraine is a creation of eHungarians and they will do with it whatever they want.

I can be realistic and I can have fun role playing as well. This is after all a game and you can either be a unique character or a boring two clicker.

Hell, more than half the eWorld thinks you're a troll or an ass and you probably like that (not saying that's what I think). 😉 There are personalities in this game and there are lemmings. I chose to be the former.

My ambitions are not to make eMoney or rule the eWorld but to have fun and that is merely what I am trying to do.

Dymytro - I am being realistic and now that very well, that doesn't mean I have to agree with it and like it.

@Grakulan

Who are you to say who can and cannot move to eUkraine and who can and cannot be Ukrainian??

You have NO right to be here. Go back to Hungary!


Danylo thank you for unearthing this corruption. Our nation is being raped by the Hungarians. Something must be done.

Slava Ukrayini

Also you might not be running for office but your friend Viira is. She says many things about not being heard by the government, etc., but she offers NO ALTERNATIVE, just accusations and critique! Do you think that is a useful approach and one that is beneficial to eUkraine!? Ask the Hungarians to go home so the Romanians (or someone else) can come in their place?
eUkraine has been controlled by two foreign countries recently and I think it is clear which takes more pains to be friendly while also looking out for its own interests. Ukrainians have to appreciate that and propose ways of improving it so they get empowered and get more input in the government. But not just say "we've been occupied, this is a puppet government, go home and leave us alone". Actually this is not a puppet govenment - Ukraine has not been PTOed, it has been COLONIZED by Hungarians, so it's their eCountry as much as its yours. Respect your eCountrymen and the government they have chosen. If you have ideas about improving it try to get support for their implementation, and try to be POSITIVE.

@ Korolevsky, I'm not Hungarian.

Your eCountry was raped and destroyed by the Romanians. And since you - the Ukrainians - were unable to restore it the Hungarians did that for you. Just say "Thanks!" and STFU if you have nothing meaningful to say.

One day they will probably pass the government on to Ukrainians, but judging by your childish remarks and by the population number that day is not so close.

Everyone, please - less bitching, more fighting!

I like to do both 🙂

aww,I gave 5 golds to this organization...but no one commented it...I am so unhappy about this!!!
😃 😃 😃

@ Grakulan - really? I offered no alternative?

The article was about me suggesting a way to promote/offer communication between the two parties. I suggested the - forums - on which there is a ton of discussion. Maybe you can take a look sometime.

and I'd like to add the article was effective, that day lots of the "hungarian" congressmen signed up on the forums, and I found out about the chatroom they use, and at least communication has improved actually!

Communication has many better ways Viira and some other congress member can find these. They have doubts, suggestions thy acn cooperate.
Grakulan has a point this style like Danylo has might be fun for him but not for us and it can be harmful for Ukraine..(this is why he seems to be Romanian agent sometimes).
An article should stay objective. This list was shown like an evidence (starting sentence). But it is only a cut from the lists.
As far as I know many congress members donated the 5 gold or a part of that into ukrainien accounts. (and hospital and companies)
So if you want to be a voluntary financial inspector please stay objective too.

@ Korolevsky if anybody would have such robbing plans do you really think wanted to come here? A new country is a much attackable target. Dont make me laugh...

@Dymytro: everybody had chances to join to the congress (see election results) this is the way to form your country.

datimi si mie niste huf deun bilet ca sa stiti unde se duc banii

Nice work Danylo.

@Stefan - StefanR0, I know you're Romanian, but why speak Romanian in a Ukranian newspaper?

@Noel - the government is free to write it's own articles explaining it's actions and what is done with the government's money or any actions they take.

The purpose of the media is to form a checks and balances on the government in order for there to be more transparency.

And if you're having less fun because someone has started questioning your actions all I can say to that is grow up (or find a game where you have more fun accodring to your idea of fun). Did you expect to play this game forever with people letting you do everything exactly the way you wanted? It's a damn game, get over it.

Does anyone else find it interesting that the donations list of the Government of Ukraine list was edited somehow (dare I say hacked) sometime after my article came out? Good thing I have screen shots which show some of the changes.

@danylo I have no problem what you do rather how. You missed many elements of the national budget. And you grab only some person and action out from their environment. This is not elegant.

Come and join to the congress here you can be familiar with the things. As you wrote earlier in another comment ecerybody has RL writing explanations is not a useful action for any nation.
So I asked only objectivity. Get more info get more experiences THAN post any article.
I dont ask to agree everything. i ask you acting like a fair, constructive player.

You asked "Where Does Ukrainian Money Go?"
I ask this: where soes hungarian hospital went? Where is the price of this element from your budget audit?

If you would like to get a kind of "glass pocket" the right way in my opinion something like this:
send a message to some congressional member to ask such financial reports and ask them to publish them (if there is any secretly part an explanation would be provided). I think such method would be more constructive. Can you agree?

But dont be surprised if members will have more important real life tasks instead creating reports.
In this democratical system people send members into the congress, elect a president and they have such tasks like controlling, creating laws etc. Not the simple ecitizens.
When you vote you give these rights to your representative.
i think what you prefer an anarchist commune.+Hope this helps.
Hope this helps.

yeah and an additional thing to your investigation donation lists have usually bugs also...

@Noel - I don't know if you read newspapers in real life but they make sensationalist titles so people read there articles that is the nature of the media business. Get used to it.

If you feel the need to explain any of these activities then do so if not don't. If you want to clarify anything or add stuff to have more transparency the n do so - if not don't. That was the point of the article to try and get more transparency and explanation.

And you and other are constantly accusing me of making this a Ukrainian/Hungarian issue. Not once in my article did I say the Hungarians or anyone else for that matter was doing something bad or stealing or accusing anyone of anything. You, however, in your last post are making that distinction by saying "where does hungarian hospital went?" All you needed to do was say 'the Ukrainian government got you a hospital be happy' but you stress the fact that it was a Hungarian hospital. If you read your posts you make the distinctions between eHungarians and eUkrainians much more often that I do.

OK, OK, let's be patient with Danylo - only weeks ago he was busy fighting against Mexico and Portugal in support of eUSA's colonial adventure and of much-beloved ATLANTIS and Romania which erased eUkraine from the map - he needs to be brought up to speed, so bear with him 🙂

It's not that he doesn't see what's going on, but he's trying to create a sensation, get attention and thus help his buddy's candidacy. The fact that they may end up splitting the votes and losing the presidential seat (and shortly afterwards the whole country) to a Romanian is obviously of very little concern to them - they didn't toil to rebuild this country from the ashes, so destroying it while trying to take control of it is no problem for them.

I see - you are not trying to spew propaganda...

And just for the record I was fighting to get wars with Mexico and Portugal closed but keep the propaganda coming.

Whether a 'handful' as you say of Ukrainians vote for a certain candidate it will not make or break a TO from either Romania or Hungary or pretty much anyone else for that matter at this point in time so if we want to keep our integrity intact we do not really have a problem with that. Especially since people like you would be very happy to point out in the future that 'well you voted for so and so' in those elections as you are now trying to do with your little Mexico/Portugal/USA quip now.

What I'm saying is there can be two sides in this competition, or three, and it's up to the Ukrainians to decide which it's going to be.

Whether one wins or loses is not entirely in one's power, but being reasonable, loyal and having integrity is.

I don't know how many people stand behind you, but I know presidential elections have been won or lost due to a single vote (e.g. Pakistan in April 2009), so don't try to deny responsibility for your decisions by saying there's too few of you to really make a difference. This is not the eUSA and the votes of a few individuals may seal the fate of their eCountry, for better or worse.

Maintaining one's integrity is not running from responsibility. And the only person that stand behinds me, to my knowledge, is myself as I have not run for office here nor asked for anyone to support me. Nor do I have a stream of multis to blindly follow me either.

You can make your arguments as can other candidates and I will decide where to vote based on what I believe in that is after all what voting is all about.

And when you say 'it's up to the Ukrainians' who do you exactly mean when you say Ukarinians?

I mean RL Ukrainians, who I guess are hesitating between supporting the candidacy of:

1. an inexperienced RL Ukrainian (Viira), whose possible election would give them the feeling of self-government

or

2. the candidacy of a RL Hungarian (Peti😎 who will ensure the best coordination of Hungary's continued support.

I hope nobody is considering casting a vote for the Romanian guy 🙂

OK just checking because I am the one constantly being accused of dividing citizens of eUkraine into camps of Hungarians and Ukrainians.

The citizens of eUkraine sure enough come in these two major varieties, but what you're being accused of is trying to make them act in opposition to each other in the face of a threat by a mutual enemy.

And I have never told citizens of eUkraine to act in opposition to each other I have asked them to support the unified goal of making eUkraine a strong nation.

If specific citizens have different visions as to what this goal is, that is not my fault. Offering different paths and discussions are healthy. I realize that many people see this game one dimensionally and play it by the numbers or play simply like they would the game RISK, but I do not chose to play it that way.

@danylo, i divine because there are many ehungarians who came here to help and i am sure they will leave when Ukraine becomea strong nation. i think we should not call eukrainiens. This is my view.
I only asked more objectivity. regarding the explanations you can not think seriously anybody will share such infos like national transactions or other actions with the whole eworld in articles??
That would be a suicide. On this way you can pass your country to your enemies also. IRL This is something like that if you allow to anybody to see how you live where you live how many do you spend what do you do in your bed...

Danylo, you left the eUSA to ran away from Scrabman's "role-playing versus playing the game" article, didn't you?! 🙂

You have to admit it is the RISK players who put eUkraine back on the map, and maybe there's a lesson in that.

I left long before the ole role playing article. Being president has made scrabby a little batty if you ask me.

No, it has made him 100% pragmatic and unsentimental, to a degree where playing the game becomes role-playing - the ruthless student of Machiavelli and Sun Tzi leads his country to power and prominence. I really came to respect that guy.