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roland_up
우리는... 거짓말쟁이가 될수도 있습니다. 아마도요.
I understand the power struggle in this place very well, the RL SKers have more people, but most of them joined the game recently, and have little fighting power, and you have a slightly smaller group of Romanians who have more fighting power and connection with EDEN and ONE tanks, it makes sense for them to exploit each other to survive in this very competitive world that is hostile to small countries.
저는 이 곳의 권력 싸움을 잘 이해하고 있습니다. 현실의 한국인들은 수는 많으나 대부분이 이 게임을 최근에 시작하였고 전투력이 낮습니다. 또한 수는 더 적으나 전투력이 더 강하며 EDEN과 ONE의 탱커들과 연결되어 있는 로마니아인들이 있습니다. 작은 나라들에겐 냉담한 이 심히 경쟁력 있는 세계에서 살아남기 위해 서로를 부당하게 이용하는건 말이 됩니다.
utoronto discussed with me what he should do first as president several months ago, and getting a fair price on the land leased to ROC was amongst one of the first thing we talked about. I think this battle against the ROC was not well executed, but I can still justify it within myself based on his wish of getting a fair price on the land leased to ROC.
몇달 전, utoronto는 대통령이 되면 무엇을 해야할지 저와 상의 했습니다. 그리고 대만에게 임대해준 땅에 공정한 돈을 받는게 저희가 첫번째로 이야기 한 것이였습니다. 제 생각으론 이번 대만과의 전투는 잘 집행되지 않은것 같습니다만 그가 대만에게서 임대한 땅에 대한 공정한 돈을 받고 싶어하는것을 바탕으로 제 자신 속으론 정당화 할수 있습니다.
But what the government is doing in the last couple of weeks has really shaken my beliefs, the previous attempts to justify this war has done nothing except to increase tension between the two countries. And now, an attack on ROC homeland is a complete contradiction to our goal.
허나 지난 몇주간 정부가 해온것은 제 믿음을 흔들고 있습니다. 이 전쟁을 정당화 하기 위한 지난 노력은 두 나라 사이의 긴장을 높힌것 외엔 아무것도 하지 않았습니다. 그리고 현재 대만의 본토에 대한 공격은 저희의 목표와 모순됩니다.
The attack on Northern Taiwan is not what I signed up for, and I think we not only gave up any righteous ground we still have, but also signed our own death warrant. Some may claimed it was a mistake, but the tons of damage deal in that battle were deliberated.
북대만(Northern Taiwan)에 대한 공격은 제가 참가한 이유가 아닙니다. 그리고 제 생각엔 저희의 정당함을 잃었을뿐 아니라 저희 스스로의 파멸을 부른듯 합니다. 몇몇은 실수라고 하나 그 전투에서 쓴 엄청난 양의 데미지는 고의였습니다.
I know people is going to say, we are in a game, so why should we play nice? It turns out playing nice has its own advantages in a game. This attack amongst other things this government and its minsters had done have destroyed any trust that the two sides might still have for each other, and make the "tit-for-tat" strategy impossible.
저는 사람들이 '우리는 게임에 있으니 왜 좋게 플레이 해야돼?' 라고 말할것을 압니다. 실은 게임에서 좋게 플레이 하는게 그만의 장점이 있다는걸 알게 되었습니다. 이 정부와 장관들이 해온 다른것들을 비롯해서 이 공격은 양측이 지니고 있는 모든 신뢰를 파괴하였고 '앙갚음' 전략을 불가능으로 만들었습니다.
By reading the ROC press, we are heading to a death spiral, and I think we have probably pass the land of no return, it is either destroy them or get destroyed. Thanks for this attack, we have now wrote the casus belli for them and eChina too for yet another "lie".
대만의 언론을 읽어봄으로써 저희는 죽음의 나선을 향해 가고 있습니다. 그리고 제 생각엔 더이상 돌아올 수 없는 땅에 건너선듯 합니다. 이젠 저희가 그들을 파멸하던지, 저희가 파멸당합니다. 전투에 대해 감사합니다. 이제 저희는 대만과 중국을 위해 또 하나의 '거짓' 개전 이유를 적어야 합니다.
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It is sad it has come to this.
That's what happens when players with no experience join forces with PTOers.
😛~ yoooo~
You think Taiwanese were playing nice with us when they tried to wipe eSK off the map? They find justification for everything. Attking Northern taiwan cannot possibly make any change in their deasire to conquer Korea.
Just saying, the last weeks of battles WAS taiwan's full fury. NOW they need to repay the unpaid rent on our lands by lending some of their fish for free for however long they held onto numerous amount of iron and grain in eSK/ That is only fair. Anything less will still be moral. BUT the taiwanese run on their own code, which is "taiwan see, taiwan fight. This is justice". so I am neither very scared or surprised.
and BY THE WAY. The battle in Norther Taiwan is TRAINING WAR. WE had a month of TRAINING WAR on KOREAN LANDS. so whats wrong with a TW in TAIWAN for a change? And also, I think taiwan is supposed to lose this one for TW sake. Now how does that make you feel?
That made me feel YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
"You think Taiwanese were playing nice with us when they tried to wipe eSK off the map?"
And then they stopped and let us win 2 battles back during the negotiation. We were wrong too at the start, mind you.
"They find justification for everything. Attking Northern taiwan cannot possibly make any change in their deasire to conquer Korea."
That's just wrong, we had a negotiation going on, there was an agreement, the Romanians dont like it, so the fight continues. If they want to conquer Korea, they would have already done it, better yet, eC wants a TW partner, they can just switch their NE on eSK instead.
"Just saying, the last weeks of battles WAS taiwan's full fury."
More like eChina's full fury.
"NOW they need to repay the unpaid rent on our lands by lending some of their fish for free for however long they held onto numerous amount of iron and grain in eSK"
two wrongs doesn't make it right. If you said one thing and then do the opposite, you are a liar, and hypocrite. The same standard should apply to us exactly to same applied to them.
"and BY THE WAY. The battle in Norther Taiwan is TRAINING WAR. "
Lol, where do you get that idea? We have been fighting against them for our lands for the last 2 weeks now, as you said, they were at one stage trying to wipe eSK off the map, that's training war too? or do we impose there is a training war because we know we have unleashed the fury in eC and eRoC and trying to come up with excuses to dodge responsibility?
"WE had a month of TRAINING WAR on KOREAN LANDS. so whats wrong with a TW in TAIWAN for a change? "
What is wrong is there is NO TW in Taiwan, there were several months of TW in Korean land because your leaders had let them.
"And also, I think taiwan is supposed to lose this one for TW sake. Now how does that make you feel? "
I feel you are wrong.
@kimsuro
Umm... I think its better to check the news frequently because both sides had announced that the negotiation are proceeding that time.
No Taiwan absolutely didn't want to wipe eSK out of map, we stopped the NE attack at the final, and both country decided to negotiate to stop the war, until Romanians denied and delayed the negotiation, reopen the war, invading Northen Taiwan 'by accident' and pouring tons of damage.
We surely have some hope for peace and working it out through diplomatic way, but its unclear again by now.
By the way, let me remind you, there're some Romanians got eSK's citizenship JUST BEFORE THE ELECTION. What were they doing in eSK? I have no idea, maybe they just love the land, yeah?
i just don't get it. time/money should be spent trying to win back our own enation. this kind of short-sighted bs is going to end badly for both sides. i expect this narrow-mindedness from erep admin but not from fellow ecitizens.
needless to say, i just fought in the resistance war instead of the etaiwan battle.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/region/Chugoku
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As a RL Korean, a Congress Member and Minister of Media (who has actually done barely any work this term...) we have not been informed anything about the attack on eRoC and according to what I know, was never negotiated, nor discussed.
I do not understand why MirceaDrac (who is now CP of eSK after utoronto had to resign due to his car accident) has decided to attack eRoC, which was never part of utoronto's, or any of eSK government's plan. The only reason why we started this war and fought for it was because we only wanted our original lands back, and the negotiation with eRoC didn't turn up well.
While I was translating your article, I tried my best to translate it into similar tone, and as I was going over it number of times, I do agree that now, we're perhaps caught in a death trap, which may never be forgiven. This, rather tragic event could lead eSK into a forsaken land.
I dearly hope we, the ministers of eSK, the congress members of eSK or at least the eSKers could receive some sort of explanation from MirceaDrac, whether it was his idea or not, as it was he, who enforced this attack.
Thanks for your article, yet I hope you understand that ministers or any RL Korean congress members (either congress members of May-June or June-July) have not been informed about this decision.
Best Regards,
Obamalucas, Minister of Media and proud citizen of eSK.
p.s. After I've posted this comment, I've looked up on some articles and found out that MirceaDrac has commented on the battle order that this was result of an 'auto attack', and was not a deliberate attack. I sincerely hope eRoC would understand this...
#obamalucas
Very glad to hear the voice with rationality from RLSKer. 🙂
I personally understand the game mechanism was the cause, however, heavy tanks from eSK dealing over 400k (even 500k, compare to the highest 202k in the RW war) damage in Northern Taiwan is yet another fact.
I think so too roland
thanks
#kabuyaPTT well, I personally did 50k damage before realizing what I was doing, and stopped.
If it was due to the game mechanism, I hope eRoC understands this, and let this incident to sink into oblivion, although I do understand the shock eRoC had to face by the attack. I will try my best to stop any RL Koreans attacking this region.
@roland You are flaming again aren't you.
This is the last time I will explain myself to you.
Your lack of knowledge about how this game works and in this case probably eTaiwan's too is not an excuse. The attack was automatic and never intended on eTaiwan's land.
We want peace too but as friends and not as slaves. I already told eTaiwans CP this but no reply yet. What we are doing now it is a gift to eSK from us to all.
I red eTaiwanese daily and it was always full of war mongering. Only 1-2 voices of reason there and what you are doing now is almost treason, AGAIN. So this problem is not from now, they have political fights and used this propaganda against eSK to get votes in the current elections.
Our huge damage is done for getting our land back and if you don't see the tactics in it, well you have to think harder ...
The others will see you in the end how you really are, just a flamer. Although you might not realize it you are not doing a favor for eSK by keeping this series of attacks towards me and others.
"roland You are flaming again aren't you."
Flaming would be an ad hominem, I have no interest in you, but I have show you the reason you are wrong.
"Your lack of knowledge about how this game works and in this case probably eTaiwan's too is not an excuse. The attack was automatic and never intended on eTaiwan's land."
Mistake 1, you have 24 hour to start the attack. You'd have my support if you are attacking other regions, but you didn't. Even if the attack was automatic, you are one of the people to tank in this battle in Northern Taiwan, and you have won the first two round. If you have no intention to take the region, why are you putting so much of your damage there? An automatic button smash button to let you deliver damage without you knowing? Go spin some more.
"I red eTaiwanese daily and it was always full of war mongering. Only 1-2 voices of reason there and what you are doing now is almost treason, AGAIN"
Wooo... The 'T', are you trying to scare me? Those words doesnt scare me. You know what, I am done caring. But well, for your information, your action is going more likely to get the country wipe than my 500 words.
"Our huge damage is done for getting our land back and if you don't see the tactics in it, well you have to think harder ..."
Your tactics would be backfire if eC seriously get involve, mark my words.
"The others will see you in the end how you really are, just a flamer. Although you might not realize it you are not doing a favor for eSK by keeping this series of attacks towards me and others. "
I've only attack your decision because they are wrong, but whatever, I stopped caring now.
@MirceaDrac
If you're watching eROC press everyday then you should know that we have the left wing and the right wing. Some prefer the war hawk side and others prefer the peaceful solution.
The war mongering you saw depends on the situation eROC are facing. For now, you will see war mongering of course, but why?
Your huge damage is done not only for getting the land back, you might be interested in this evidence, it was pictured just minutes ago:
http://ppt.cc/Hknn
Huh?
And by the way, I didn't see propagandas against eSK while congress election, that's just not needed and doesn't work because, as i mentioned, not all of eROCer wants to eliminate eSK. We have debates on this article, too, and the military action now just push the conclusion to the other side.
"And by the way, I didn't see propagandas against eSK while congress election"
Yea, I am absolutly trying to use this "propaganda against eSK" to pinch some votes AFTER the election is finished.
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@roland_up
Oh you're so humorous.
Well... despite it works or not, you can do it for the next election strategically if you really want, isn't it.
@roland bla bla bla
Direct attack was on Jeju that we have RW. Because we won Jeju, direct fight was automatically and choose the region with the largest population of my games mechanic knowledge.
As for damage take in battle, what about many "friends" of China, they can fight with MPPs.
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I agree your opinion...
I agree with roland and obamalucas.
Of course, it may not be "all" but most RL Koreans don't want eRoC's land at all. We like our country and we want to keep it that way. I only said not "all" since there is a chance that one or two people are thinking something different (just like other communities), and me stating an absolute statement could make it a false statement...
Oh and about that comment regarding roland and congress election...I honestly don't think he cares lol.
I totally agree that we should stop the war after liberating our regions.
@All Both sides have to want it. Unfortunately I have not seen such a wish from their side yet.
@MD Being President is a democratic position. Why do you tell us about what you are doing with the deal? We live in the country so why can we not know? That's what causes lot's of problems here.
to be honest I'm getting pretty tired of this bullshit of yours ,and all this trash talk about Romanians like we are the devil or something ...for 3 months now I gave everything for eSk(I can't remember the last time I fought for eRO),not to mention that because of this war FSR is no longer recognized as a Romanian mlitary unit by the eRo government .so we gave everything for you and this is the thanks we get ?flames and trash talk?
if we were to take our dmg and go back to eRomania do you think that eROC would need to negotiate anything with you?do you think that they would let you keep all your original lands?,or that they would pay you gold as rent for your regions?
at this moment eROC position is deceptively weak ,with the wipe of eUSA the next target on ONE's agenda is eC ,eROC cannot depend of the help of eC in this war for long ....
we all hope for a peaceful solution in this war ,but eROC must understand that we are equals and they cannot bully us around ,if and when an proper and an fair offer is proposed for peace than you can be assured that we will agree with it ....
@Paradox_bm, if you were a FSR member, as you said a former Romanian military unit you still deny the fact of trying to take over us? But that's an old story so ignore that : P.
The thing is we are nto equal, we don't have a country like China strongly supporting us so if we annoy eRoc we will end up worse off than if they annoy us. It's just a fact tbh.
Random talk over : D
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