Vanilla or Strawberry. Private or Public? It's ALL ICE CREAM!
Ranger Bob
I've been watching with interest the debates on the forums, and reading several articles recently where there seems to be some undercurrent of tension and flaming about the Private (private militia) vs. Public (government militia) Military Debate.
Why is the private military a _good_ thing?
Well, that much is obvious. A private funded military not only presents a massive saving to the government of the day in ongoing costs, it also means you are seeing another generation of fighters supported in ranking up and overall, making a nation stronger. This has implications for almost ALL aspects of your country - from economy, productivity right down to your country ranking.
BUT
There are some reasons why maintaining your own military, and keeping a strong sense of your own nationalism is VITAL.
1. I don't think you can answer to two different masters.
While the alignment of the private and public will often coincide, there is no guarantee of this. You are either committing your interests to following the orders of the people who give you your 'paycheck' (and, arguably following the highest bidder for their services), or the people who are representing the interests of your nation FIRST.
As I said, they often align.
But - there are never promises, and a fighting force (particularly in the case of it being foreign established and run) may ask you to fight in a battle that is either not sanctioned, nor in the interests of a particular nation, or, in another battle where the government for reasons of their own, have other priorities.
2. For exactly the above reason, you _still_ need a military force answerable to government.
Given 1 above, you need to ensure you maintain your own forces which are answerable to this country. Otherwise, you will always be asking for help, and leaving it up to others to decide whether they will assist you or not in a particular battle plan/strategy.
I kinda see this as adding a third step - the PM or the Government decide on a plan of attack, or defence etc. Then, rather than deploying or enacting their plan immediately - they must then ask for assistance, or "procure" (ie pay for) private military support. Of course, this may take as long or as short a time as the private army decides.
You could of course let them know early what you are planning to see if they are on board - but this would also mean you would be involving them IN the government decision making process rather than letting the government have it's own say. "Shall we attack XXXX? Well, we need to see if the private military is behind that idea. Oh, no they said it's not a priority for them, I suppose we should scrap that idea..."
3. Private IS privately funded. Government IS government funded.
Unless they wish to procure the services of this private force, Government does not and should not have an ongoing funding role. As I said at the top, the benefit is that the private military is funding itself - and generally, many of these members will still live in Australia unless called upon by their boss/leadership for a battle. This therefore is assisting in making Australia a stronger country, while leaving government money to focus on other things (yes, which includes ALSO supporting their own military).
It's not so much never the twain shall meet - but more that if the Government get's into an ongoing funding role, then in time, the leadership becomes messy - government would expect in return for this ongoing funding they would have a say in how the forces are deployed.
And I suspect the leadership of the private military would NOT like that very much, for their own reasons.
So what does this all mean?
Do private milita's poach? Sure they do. They want to become a strong fighting unit, otherwise who would WANT to procure their services. But, people have a choice - they can choose to join the private military, OR they can stay with their government military. No one is twisting arms, or forcing anyone here to make a choice. Of course, it won't stop the sales-people each trying to get you to buy their own personal version of AMWAY, be it private or government.
Basically, I believe there is a place for private military as I say above. There is also a place for government military - these are the people who have a loyalty beyond the funding they receive, and weapons etc. AND, they answer first the orders of the elected government of the people, NOT the highest bidder.
SO, WHICH ONE IS BETTER?
_NEITHER!!_
But, it is a philosophical difference and always will be.
For the record, my personal priority, loyalty and love will ALWAYS lie with my nation first. THEN, my allies. THEN, the people I respect.
I will not compromise that. And, as a political party based in eAustralia that is putting the priority of our nation FIRST, I believe that the AMP shall not do this either.
This is a battle of philosophy that should not be. The senseless flaming and crap in articles should stop - as both are here to stay and regardless of what the government, or the private forces sling at each other, you can't change it folks.
So, when it comes time for you to choose - choose what you want to do. Being in a mercenary/private force can be exciting. So, can being in a government one. They don't have to be set at each others throats.
😛
Comments
I shall be working with my AMP colleagues to support a bill that limits the provision of ongoing military funding to private militia unless negotiated for the procurement of their services in battles, subject to Executive/Senate approval.
This ensures BOTH the private and government military can continue to operate well, with little cross over between their intended purposes.
well said Ranger.
Excellent as always Ranger 🙂
I totally agree...
This is what people needed to see - a logical argument that shows the private and public military in straight terms - hopefully now the flaming can stop.
Great job!
Good stuff - I believe in a publicly funded military, but also think that private citizens should absolutely have the right to form their own militias (so long as they are not in direct opposition to the state's foreign policy agenda).
A good argument for a dual tiered approach is that having private militias can (hopefully) force the government military to operate more effectively and efficiently. If the government is smart, they will watch the militias, learn from their mistakes, and implement any of their policies that are successful.
Voted Hard, oh yeah
Agreed for most of it, but I don't think we should be burning our bridges by specifically limiting any funding the private military. There may come a time where the private military outweighs the standard military, and we want to keep them on the payroll. Or if we are in a constant state of war, having a payroll instead of a damage contract may end up easier and cheaper for everyone.
i agree with whats said here Ranger Bob, the thing that surprises me on this topic is that people think that our army will degrade to nothing and we need the militia in every fight. If we have a strong army anyway then the militias are irrelevant maybe every now and then when we want to fight unofficially we pay them to do it for us or if we really want to turn the tide in a war we use their services otherwise lets just make a kik arse Aus army and let them do their thing. 🙂
Bass - to be clear from my article.
My proposal to limit will be for any on-going funding. My rationale for this is made clear, in so far as the private military does not, unless I am mistaken, wish to be answerable to government.
Government will be free to procure the services of a private force on an as needs basis, if they agree with the cost quoted by the private military. Government can decide (as is their right) whether they want their services, and the private military can offer their services for free even if they wish (for example, if in Defence of eAustralia)- though I suspect in this circumstance, we would ALL be getting as much support as possible under this scenario.
I believe that the AAR will save us all form damnation 😛
I believe a private force is good in times of war as long as those individuals allegiance is to there country first.
After reading all sides my opinion is that a government should support its own military first and foremost. A country's military is always accountable to and under orders of the government. Private citizens should have every right to join either the country military or a PM and not be harrassed for whichever choice they make. The government should not have an official policy of supporting any particular private military, just as they should not have an official policy of supporting any particular private citizen or private company. Its the private military group's decision to be separate from the government and that separation should be maintained.
Nice article Ranger. I agree with it 100%
check out this thread on eAus forums if any of you have more questions.
http://community.auserepublik.com/index.php?topic=6144.45" target="_blank">http://community.auserepublik.com/index.[..]44.45
you're a smart man Ranger Bob, i disagree with you in some areas but overall i voted this.
I would say to all Australians that the Crimson Devils is largely made up of Australians, and they were Australians before they were in the Devils.
Its natural to fear change, overall i find that the Australian people have been quite open minded to this concept in e Rep warfare and this is a good thing!
i would also say that the govt shouldn't close the door on working closely with us Devils. But i won't push that issue now, we've only been around for a little while. We'll prove our worth and then we can talk
"I would also say that the govt shouldn't close the door on working closely with us Devils. But i won't push that issue now, we've only been around for a little while. We'll prove our worth and then we can talk"
I would hope my article didn't give you the impression government does not want to work with private military where their interest aligns. I would like to think that in the end we are ALL on the same side in terms of furthering the interests of our nation, and the interests of our "partner" nations as members of EDEN.
And, where needed, I would hope we would work with ALL military forces be they private or public, based both within eAustralia or elsewhere when we or our allies are fighting the good fight.
Unity is our strength - regardless of the differences in the path chosen in terms of how we get there, let us not forget the destination for ALL is the same.
Excellently written and fairly balanced. Voted.
I agree mostly.
Re Militias I am open to using them tactically where they fill gaps in our capacity. Funding should be via damage contracts and end once the parties have met their obligations.