The Triumvirate: The Stupidest Idea in eCanada's History
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by Dominik
The triumvirate was the stupidest idea in Roman history and now this failed concept has been transferred into the virtual world. Augustus Baldwin, the ringleader of this political circus, has officially become eCanada's first non-democratic president and he does not even bother to hide it and uses this rather dictatorship-remniscent phrase.
Now, the only way that a triumvirate could work is if the political interparty relations were on an exceptional level. This is blatantly not the case in eCanada. There has been constant political infighting mostly provoked by Mr. Baldwin himself, but there are certainly others to blame for the unstable political environment *cough*Kommie*cough*.... *cough*Shinra*cough*. So my interpratation is either a) Augustus is attempting a political takeover to gain a majority government for Norsefire (or whatever the hell you call it now) or b) Augustus is lying to the public making it seem like all three parties are the best of friends.
My Friends, I do not mean to say that the political infighting is serious but the fact remains that the interparty relations are too shaky for a triumvirate to work. The parties all have different views on different issues and that is fine, that is the way it should be. But the bitter atacks from either party need to stop, seriously. Then, maybe, just maybe a shared seat of power could work. It seems rather hypocritical of Mr. Baldwin to stir up political competition and then a month later create a triumvirate.
What we need is stable leadership to guide the citizens of eCanada through the tough times of V1. We are not getting this leadership from the triumvirate, any of its individual members and certainly not from Mr. Baldwin. I'm not going to blame the economic turmoil on the leaders but rather on the flawed V1 system. However, as proper leaders, the triumvirate should at least appear to be making an attempt to fix things.
Last of all: I realise the primary reason for creating the triumvirate was to unify eCanada's three major parties in the joint fight against the goons. It was a rushed decision, but it would have somehow worked. The danger has subsided now and even if it has not: can't the parties simply agree to vote for one pressidential candidate: this is something that could have been solved away from public eyes instead of this helter skelter.
In short, the triumvirate was a particularily terrible idea from every stand point and I will certainly not be supporting it in the next election and least of all Mr. Baldwin.
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You seem to think the Triumvirate involves the CPP. It does not, only the CSD and CPF. Zblewski represents the CSD, I represent the CPF, and Tom Hagen is no longer in any party and therefore the neutral party.
The CSD and CPF currently have no current problems. We are working together without dispute in Cabinet. Me and Cottus Arci have made up and are cooperating. CSD and CPF Ministers are working together as Co-Ministers to jointly run the government SOs. And even Anodos, Leader of the MSW is our Finance Minister.
In fact I would say the triumvirate is working exceptionally well. The CSD and CPF came together to put the CPP in its place when kommie and Dean22 started their little event.
It would appear my friend that you seem to be the only agent of division I have seen in the CSD. I wonder why, as your not in the government and don't know how well it is going. I am sure your party leadership can explain to you whats going on if you ask them. You seem rather confused.
PS: I know you probably weren't around for it (neither was I), but Adam Sutler was the first non-elected President in Canadian history. That was a terrible idea too, eh?
There is no such thing as Neutral member of the triumvirate Augustus everyone knows that.
Tom Hagen WAS A member of CPF and will continue acting as a vote for the CPF and as Zweblski I can't imagine how he isn't un-content with this. When this was brought up Tom Hagen left the CPF to try and pretend to be a neutral member.
Everyone knows a neutral member can't be neutral when it is being hand fed by another.
Now Tom Hagen has rejoined CPP to act as if he represents CPP which, he does not.
Let's see how long it takes for him to leave CPP again to try and pretend like he's neutral.
What a joke Canada.
First of all, the whole point is that I'm not in the government: I have a different view on things, a relatively neutral one from the general population's perspective. What I see is a lot of talk from you in particular and no action being done to support the ordinary citizen. The government is only doing as well as the citizens can see it's doing. I'm not saying that you are anti-people, just not acting like a proper politician.
As to the issue of the CPP: I was under the impression you were planning to reform the triumvirate next term with the CPP leader but if you claim that you have no intention of doing so, I will believe you. This in itself is not really a good thing either as it leaves a relatively major party (never mind how much I and you dislike them) out of the picture.
Also, I am not a lone agent of division within the CSD; I am merely stating that the triumvirate is not working and it is an opinion I have heard a few times. I don't think it's proper to claim everything is going magnificently when we are obviously in the middle of political and economical turmoil.
Prominent members of the CPP have demonstrated an unwillingness to be cooperative in any type of discussion with the government. It is not unsurprising that cooperation in a Triumvirate would be beyond approach as well.
As for attempting to fix things - Cabinet is currently coming close to deciding how to do so. I can't provide an actual date for when this implementation will occur, but we are nearing a decision.
Riashain
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Oh and Augustus: the fact that all of the CSD agree with the concept is an absolute lie: Several members expressed their dismay and a current vote that is up at the forums about whether CSD members agree with the cooperation or wish to have their own presidential candidate is 0 to 5 in favour of having our own presidential candidate.
Riashain: It would be nice if the government communicated with the people about these sort of things and instead of saying "everything is OK" say "Everything is not OK, but here's what we're doing to fix it..."
Dominik: The CPP was supposed to be in the Triumvirate next month, but kommie pulled out. So now its just the CPF and CSD. And you have completely lost me on this criticism of "what we have done". The Triumvirate has been around for 2 days, we are just putting the finishing touches of an economic stimulus package which comes out tomorrow and was heavily influenced by CSD members Zanalan, Cottus Arci, and Derek Appollyn. I am sorry if three days is too long a wait for you, but this plan involves many people and the spending on $10,000. We believe that discretion is the better part of valor when dealing with that much money.
And there is no political turmoil anymore. Kommie is the only dissenter out of ALL 30+ Congressmen in Canada. There is more political unity than there has been in government since Sutler left office.
Dean: If your calling Tom Hagen a liar then I have to disagree. Everyone knows he is one of the greatest Canadians we have. Even if me and him have had our differences, I still respect the hell out of him.
And i was referring to every CSD member in government was agreeing, of course I can't speak for 101 people. Just their leaders and those who have a vote in government. But lets be clear, the CPF already IS the largest party and I was already going to become President when Banach left because I was Deputy Prime Minister.
No one forced me to propose the Triumvirate, I did it because I wanted reconciliation. I could have just said "well Banach told the admins I am President so that is how its going to be". But I would rather cooperate because I want to see Canadian unity and this country move forward.
@Augustus
I didn't call Tom a liar but that was one hell of a spin out of what I said.
I ALSO SEE that you guys have taken a temporary resource subsidy which will further destroy the economy over fixing the economy and just doing a "good public view policy".
The second you guys subsidy someone who is foreign I am going to laugh at you guys and point it out how your awarding CAD to foreigners. WE have already talked about this you can't tell what resource corps are Canadian but you can tell what companies are Canadian in manufacturing.
No we are not giving any subsidies to anyone (unless the current draft of the proposal changes)
So no subsidies, no purchases and nothing done. Where is the $10,000 CAD going then?
Also, YOU WERE not going to become president as Vice President was not set. Banach said at first you were going to be President but obviously he's changed his mind because if he didn't then you would be set as VP and another impeachment vote would go through.
But it hasn't.
Dean we are doing purchases (most likely, again, the proposal is still being voted on in cabinet).
And there is no VP slot for impeachment Dean. I have spoken to the admins, there is some sort of problem with impeachment and at this point President can only be changed manually. The Americans are having the same problem. Please check your facts before you comment.
I don't want to take a risk on voting for Augustus, he is simply not worth any risk.
In my opinion, the triumvirate is a necessary evil, since Banach has left us at the worst possible time: the buggy, shaky beginnings of V1.
I say necessary evil, because I don't agree with it. Canada needs a single leader and a triumvirate causes complications and simply slows decision making down. It's also the mere impression to the public at play - having a single leader keeps Canadians content, having faith in that leader and so on. The triumvirate damages healthy political competition in a sense because the Canadian public must think that both CPF & CSD are one and the same.
However, Banach's departure is the triumvirate's primary reason for existance this month. For next month, it's the Goon invasion. If this invasion has subsided (I am calling for the Govt/Cabinet to investigate this) then I feel the triumvirate should only last this month, and CSD should back Zblewski to take on Augustus for the Presidency.
Would this mean a return to the past bickering? I can only hope so. Will this change the newly founded productive relationship between myself & Augustus? I can only hope not.
If the goon invasion is no longer the threat that it was, then I think Zblewski can challenge Augustus for the Presidency, in a healthy and mature manner.
I for one promote a healthy state of competition in Canada.
@Augustus
1) Ah so your doing the purchases proposal that I suggested or are you doing a different purchases proposal?
2) If the impeachment function works now why are we not doing it? I can only imagine the only reason we aren't impeaching is because the VP is not set this because other countries have successfully impeached whereas USA and Canada were both in the same boat where the President just up and left.
The Triumvirate is not a good idea.
Its a sign of division and it is painfully obvious that the first goal of any member of a triumvirate is to overpower his two "partners". I think we should just vote our leader up and deal with it that way. As mentionned earlier, these are harsh times and we need actual stability.
This is hard for me to say, but I agree entirely with Cottus. It is/was a necessary evil and as soon as that 10K Economic Stimulus Package is implemented, the goon threat will surely rise to the top of the agenda as the congressional elections near.
Dean, do you really think that every minister is AB lap dog who will aid him in his diabolical plot to control eCanada? That insulting to every cabinet member who has spent time on trying to alleviate some of our economic troubles all of whom, save yourself, didn't act like an ass throughout the process.
I completely agree with Cottus too. Any Congressman can read my original proposal for the Triumvirate and see it specifically references the Goon threat. And anyone who has talked to me knows that I have specifically stated that a) the Triumvirate will run until its not needed and b) I only plan to seek one term as Prime Minister
25Fulcrum: I am not Stephen Dion. And your not Stephen Harper.
Dean: Impeachment does not work yet. That is simply a fact.
Agreed. As much as I have just returned to eCanada, I have read up as much as I can to be up to date with things.
The Triumvirate has it's Pros and Cons, I will name 3 of each.
Pros:
1) Unity of eCanadian Parties to try and agree on things.
2) Ensures that no one just takes power without a Vote.
3) Is Temporary.
Cons:
1) Political Instability
2) Slowed Decision Making
3) No Stable Leadership
I personally think a Triumvirate is not a good thing. As Cottus has stated it slows down the decision making and there is no stable Leadership. Which would be able to deal more effectively against threats and issues. So long as they had a majority government or had the agreement of other Parties.
So yes, it's a necessary evil. Because to get THROUGH V1 as a eNation we need to stick TOGETHER, even if we don't agree with one another. We have to sacrifice some things for the greater good. This being to eliminate the Goon Threat.
If it takes longer then the planned date of success or achievement, then by all means impeach. But impeaching now will not help the situation any. Wait a month, it's a sacrifice that needs to be made. Especially if you want eCanada to continue to glory.
No idea what your talking about Alexander I never said that in this article but I do believe someone promoted to congressmen on their 4th day of playing eRepublik is nothing more than a vote that was made congressmen because he follows without thought.
Sutler promoted me to Congressman on my 2nd day.
My buddy was made Congressman on his 1st day of playing. That was in Ireland.
But I see what you mean Dean. I really don't think people who've played less then 2 weeks should be Congressmen. Even if they know it all. Unless you really have no choice because everyone is below 2 weeks. Then I can see the justification.
and that was because...Augustus?
Exactly.
Dean if you are inferring I was ever Sutler's yesman then you were obviously not around at that point. lol
This is irrelevant: I didn't mean for this to turn into a personal attack against Augustus, I'm just questioning the validity and necessity of the triumvirate.
I was joking Augustus but you were made congressmen due to activity. Today it's a far different story. I hope the congressional elections are balanced and still not rigged for the ability to elect sheep over dogs. Follow the leader(sheep) vs. Bark, bite and Discuss (dogs).
Rigged? Sheep? Dogs? Buddy, what are you smoking... I want some!
Ahem... ok I think Dominik has made a valid point here, as has Cottus & Derakor: the triumthingy should only be to cover the absense of Banach (shame on him). I suggest we get back to some political wrangling asap!
Anyone assuming that -I'm- Augustus' yes man is, to put it quite frankly, entirely daft. If anything I question him as much or more than Cottus does.
All in all gentlemen, the Triumvirate is temporary, and the congressional elections should be as balanced and unrigged. So stop focusing on the here and now, and try figuring out what you are going to do or say to win the next elections.
all I can say is wow...
lol, too many conservative ads on TV, eh?
Frankly, maybe it's just the fact that I haven't run the circuit to death like you guys, but I haven't seen any major flaws so devastating in the Triumvirate's leadership that it requires near-violent opposition.
A government should be able to act with the confidence of it's people. At least, that's what I believe. If and when the make a major error, then it is time to rise up and challenge that aspect of the ruling party.
As it stands, the triumvirate are not the best possible party- but they aren't awful- they aren't evil, and they aren't out to GET anyone. As far as I can see it, that's three things they've got up on the current leadership in Canada IRL. (J/K, no one flip out).