The Theft of a Party
Mushmoon
I am not the first one to write about this. Maybe I should have been, but to be honest, I’ve been too frustrated to write something without so much profanity that it would have to be 18+.
Okay, so for your all information, I will give you the entire story, from my view. If you do not wish to read the history, you can scroll down to next line of =’s.
================The History================================= =========
For approximately one month ago, it all started with Nicholas Anatoliovic being on his vacation, and the United Latvian Socialist Party (ULSP) was taken over by dsr9500 and his people. Dsr9500 was, as I have understood this, members of the already overtaken party Friends of Latvia, and wanted to have a replacement as their own has been taken.
After the election, I spoke with dsr9500, and he told me that he just wanted a party, and that he would support us in the upcoming Party President election, a month later. I wasn’t worried really, after that talk, as dsr9500 seemed like a decent person. I ran for congress, and was elected - no problem there.
Some few days before the Party President election in August, a man named THN33 ran for Party President, and the rumor that the ULSP was going to be TO’d started to spread. Of course, we were worried, as we didn’t know how many voters he might have – and numbers in the party grew.
Then, our “rescuing angel” contacted us, Zemessargs.lv. He wrote me some long PMs were he said that we were going to lose if we didn’t accept his help, which were that he would participate just to draw votes from his liege THN33.
I discussed this with my leader and partner, Nicholas, and we rejected his help as vote-magnet. However, we encouraged him to vote for us. We also were very grateful of his engagement, and welcomed him big time in media.
As a response for our articles, a eLatvian citizen sent me a message and warned me, that Zemessargs was a leader in a IRL far-right nationalist party, and that had recently joined with several of his supporters. We were a bit shocked, as our party has the opposite political view than Zemessargs obviously had IRL, but we agreed that anyone that wanted to help was welcome, no matter their real life. After all, this is a second life, and people shouldn’t be judged by their real life. And as about this day (might been the day before/after), our party members went from ca. 60 to 120+.
On the election day, when I logged in, it was already lost. Nicholas got 15 votes, and Zemessargs got about 30. That’s when I got truly suspicious. The “dangerous threat” THN33 had “impressive” 1 Vote…
Nicholas contacted Zemessargs, that promised he would “do the right thing”. It was not specified indeed, so there is no argument here for either side because of the lack of clarity; however I’m sure we all know what it meant for both sides of the argument.
Yesterday, I received a message from Zemessargs. I will publish a few quotes, which mostly summarize the letter:
“Thanks for your cooperation. The Latvian nationalist group "Visu Latvijai", which is also a RL party in Latvia, has taken control of ULSP.”
“The plan of taking the ULSP was made by me and the current Minister of Defence of eLatvia VL_JD, as well by some other officers of eLatvian Army, which are all the supporters of "Visu Latvijai". We had a goal to lower the influence of foreigners into eLatvian politics and that goal is completed.”
“There is no ULSP anymore and won't be in the future too”
“Socialism is not for Latvia. You can stay in eLatvia's business, of curse, but the politics of eLatvia is only for Latvians. You have no right to poke your nose into Latvian matters, bringing your allien ideology. Nothing personal.”
Well, what can I say – that’s definitely not democratic, and how about a Non-Latvian Speaking Apartheid anyone? With statements like “You have no right to poke your nose into Latvian matters” or “your alien ideology”, so, I felt it was my right to be angry, and did not write anything. The same goes for my colleagues.
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Well, that’s the story, and now to our statement, at United Latvian Socialist Party:
We, the leaders of ULSP, are very taken and hurt by the actions of these Right extremists. Though, we would like to say that this doesn’t concern the population of eLatvia. We have been very well met by the Latvians, and have made many friends here. We’d like to announce that the act of some men will not ruin the entire nation’s reputation. On eRepublik, and especially in the real world.
We would also like to thank all nice comments in several articles that are positive and progressive. Especially, Krishjaanis very friendly article, and Kurcs who were the first man to donate for the rebuilding of ULSP.
We thank all our voters in the Party President elections and all other voters during our time here, and everyone who has supported our cause, even the workers of the ULSP Commune.
The question still remains.
Are we going to stay?
Right now, I cannot answer that question. If we start another party, I fear that it will be TO’d just as fast, regarding the fact that this recent TO was planned by high post people like the Minister of Defence.
However, the thought of leaving is equally depressing, because so many of you are so kind and helpful, it outweighs the bad folk’s presence.
Our destiny lies in shrouded in the fog of the future...
Comments
I want to comment and say thanks again for all the positive feedback. And to the voters who came to our aid. It just showed the kindness more than anything.
Thank you all very very much. 🙂
I will tell my own opinion.. neitral point of view
I don`t support the way how treated zemessargs, but..
You are from Sweden, right? So you can not understand what communism did to Latvia in past century. Yes, this isn`t RL, BUT if we are playing eRepublik we have to sit by pc in RL. So influences from RL are here as well..
When I started to play here as one of babyboom citizens, I saw Russian speaking president, ULSP party with communism ideology.. so I wasn`t happy about that and hoped that someday it will change.. Now its reality, but not in the way that is honorable
why most of elatvia thinks people from onether country is thinking about TO! now it`s almoust imposible!
2 Svolo4
Cik neaptēstam un šauros rāmjos dzīvojošam jābūt, lai nesaprastu atšķirību starp sociālismu un boļševismu. Tās ir divas dažādas lietas pēc būtības. Viena ir politiskais strāvojums, bet otra ir totalitāra, antidemokrātiska sistēma, kuras sakars ar sociālismu/marksismu utt. pastāv tikai uz papīra, kamēr realitātē tas bija mēnesserdzīgs, viduslaiku feodālismam līdzīgs režīms, kurā cilvēka dzīvībai, individualitātei u.c. lietām bija otršķirīga nozīme.
@Svolo
Here's the explanation.
#1 ULSP was never Communist. It was a Socialist party just like he name stated.
#2 The reason why Red.Fox was the "Russian speaking president", was because the party which I was leader of even in those times, allowed him to use the party to be able to be a back up candidate just in case something happened to Nameisis. He was elected (Nameisis was), and then banned due to false allegations. Red.Fox was the back up candidate because of this.
eLatvian history differs greatly from what most think. 🙂
prieks, ka tu gudrs jūties.. uzsvēršu- JŪTIES 🙂
bet tu esi pasekojis partijas līdera rakstiem un ideoloģijai? vai arī tikai gudrība no visām malām spraucas ārā?
There is answer from RL that explains negativity from Latvians to eULSP
"Latvian Socialist Party
The Latvian Socialist Party (Latvian: Latvijas Socialistiska Partija) was formed in 1994 in response to the banning of the communist party after the collpase of the Soviet Union. The Latvian Socialist Party is a Marxist party.
The current president of the party is Alfreds Rubiks, former member of the Latvian Communist Party's Central Committee. He was imprisoned from 1991 to 1997 for attempting a coup-d'etat against the Latvian authorities.
The socialist party believes that Latvian citizenship should be open to all people who were citizens of Latvia in 1990. This would entail a change in the current law which only gives citizenship to ethnic Latvians and discriminates against Russians and ethnic minorities. "
Nu priecājies laimīgs сволоч😃DD
Es runāju par to, ka tev tas zināšanu loks tāds pašaurs, ja sociālisms uzreiz tev asociējas ar boļševismu.
Pie tam, ja kamerāds tiešām ir no Zviedrijas, tad nevajag brīnīties, ka viņam ir pavisam cita izpratne par sociālismu. Zviedrijas modelis var pastāvēt pārtikušās un pašpietiekamās valstīs, kamēr mūsu nabagu mājā, kurā pat nav neviena partija ar kaut cik vērā ņemamiem teorētiķiem, tas nav saprotams aiz tās prāta šaurības, kas tik raksturīga maziskiem cilvēkiem. Balsojam par Šleseru un Šķēli, jo īstenībā jau mūs apbur viņu bagātība un vara. Mēs arī gribētu būt viņu vietā un tik pat labi piebāzt savas kabatas. Tāpēc Zaļie, labējie, kreisie utt. Latvijā ir tikai izkārtne, kurai nav un vēl ilgi nebūs ideoloģiskā seguma.
!Tas, kā jau minēji, ietekmē arī šejienas spēlētājus...!
P.S.Tā kā nebrīnos par tavu adorēšanu par sociālistiem😃 Tu vēl varēji piesaukt žīdus un masonus, tad bilde būtu pilnīga...
That isn't the UNITED LATVIAN SOCIALIST PARTY'S constitution. In fact, we never released a solid constitution. Our symbol is even different, our ideas are different, and for people to make deductions on a first glance like that isn't our fault.
You give me the goals of the real world LSP. There is no United Latvian Socialist Party with United Latvian Socialists. Again history is not payed attention to.
The party was formed by a union ON eREPUBLIK, made by two different socialist parties, which is why the name which would have been Socialist Party of Latvia became United Latvian Socialist Party.
Biiig difference. 🙂
Don't bring RL into this please.
But this is not real life.. 😞
cepums zemgalietiem!
Sociālisms nemaz nebija saistīts ar PSRS? a, jā.. laikam kļūdījos.. viņi tak bija kapitālisti! 😃
Tev atkal pašvaki ar uztveres spējām- "You are from Sweden, right? So you can not understand what communism did to Latvia in past century" es šeit neapgalvoju ko Nicholas ir izdarījis, bet komunisms..
Šeit ir piemērs no RL- The Latvian Socialist Party (Latvian: Latvijas Socialistiska Partija) was formed in 1994 in response to the banning of the communist party after the collpase of the Soviet Union. The Latvian Socialist Party is a Marxist party.
Latvijas sociālisti bija tie paši komunisti
Kā jau teicu- man ir neitrāls skats uz ULSP pārņemšanu- es ārzemniekiem parādu KĀPĒC ir tik negatīva attieksme pret ULSP.
Tad jau tu savos laikos par Zīgeristu balsoji? arī normāls ārzemnieks bija 😃
p.s. RL balsoju par VL 😃
I accept donations.
to Nicholas.
But we are living RL as well? 🙂 anyways RL>eLife so influences comes from RL to eLife not other way
I am NOT judging.. just explaining why Latvian society is so negative against socialism
But when on here, we're in the eLife. Influences come from the real world, but I didn't look at the LSP in the real world and say "well oh my this is the most brilliant stuff ever!" -- absolutely not.
The ideas are so different comparing just seems... outrageous! 😮
@United Bank of Latvia
Please no advertising. If you have nothing to do with this article, the get off of it.
Zīgerista tēvs bija latviešu leģionārs, kas varbūt arī bija Daugavas Vanagos [skatīt svoloča avataru ar šīs organizācijas emblēmu].
Nu boļševiki vispār, ja vēlamies viņiem piedēvēt kādu strāvojumu, kas pēc būtības totalitāra režīma gadījumā ir bezjēdzīgi, tad bija marksisti-ĻEŅINISTI. A onkulis Ļeņins salasījies Hēgeli u.c. izdomāja, ka redz viņš viens pats var izdomāt savu teoriju, kurā vēstures attīstības posmi tika dzēsti, respektīvi, varēja iztikt arī bez strādniecības dzīves apstākļu uzlabošanās, industrializācijas utt., kas novestu pie sociālisma dabiskā/nepiespiestā ceļā. Pēc 1917. gada oktobra nebija sociālisma, bija tikai mazākuma vienvaldība pār vairākumu ar asiņainām metodēm, kur savu rociņu pielika arī latviešu strēlnieki, lai arī objektīvi, tobrīd boļševiki vienīgie solīja pašnoteikšanos mazajām tautām. Citi laikabiedri to dēvēja par superfašismu😃 Respektīvi, Rietumeiropas un Skandināvijas sociāldemokrāti/sociālisti ir kaut kas pavisam cits.
Par Rubiku? Es jau it kā teicu, ka kreisums vai labējums ir lielākoties tikai izkārtne, šajā gadījumā, lai ķertu balsis no nostaļģiskiem padomju pensionāriem. Tas arī viss.
Par ārzemniekiem teikšu tā, ka šī bija pārāk maza partija, lai sāktos paranoiska ienaidnieku meklēšana. Varēja izveidot jaunu partiju un sevi pierādīt, bet tas tā, bībeliski. Ja jau lielākā tiesa šejienes partiju ir radušās šādā ceļā, tad moralizēšana no tiem, kad tādās akcijās piedalījās ar nav īsti vietā. Bet paši nemanot šādi cilvēki tikai ceļ šīs partijas popularitāti, lai arī melnais PR, tomēr ir PR/reklāma.
P.S. Es uz Eiropu ar balsoju par VL!, bet tikai tāpēc, ka Lācis bija leģionā un vismaz pāris boļševikus varbūt nošāva😃
14/88
When you have done the "brain storm" process on staying/not stayihg - let me know - i'll write a follow-up to my article and we can start donation collection "officialy" to somehow redeem our fellow citizen dirty deeds and return your party.
I hope you can keep your party intact, either as an official party or as an underground movement. There are, of course, other countries where socialism is better understood and is not fused together with communism, as rightwing zealots tend to do when they're looking for excuses to keep others at bay. Exile is always temporary at best. Has anyone contacted the Internationale and seen if they can assist in some sort of a counter-PTO, or to put pressure on the government to lighten up on its anti-leftist stance?
Tēvs.. bet doma jau ir par pašu Zīgeristu un to labumu, ko viņš, politikā esot, labu izdarīja 🙂
Nu, redz, iegāji vēsturiskā apskatā, kuram vadlīnijās piekrītu, bet..
Viss ko es no sākuma jau cenšos pateikt- es vienkārši apskaidroju šiem cilvēkiem- kāpēc ir tāda attieksme, jo viņi nesaprot kāpēc daļa latviešu izturas tik naidīgi pret viņiem.. es neizturos naidīgi, bet negatīvi, tomēr ievēroju neitralitāti.. Pret mushmoon varbūt man nav nekas iebilstams, bet sociālistu partijas līderis, kurš pašlaik dzīvo eKrievijā (vai vismaz viņa laikraksts), kuram pieder avīze ar nosaukumu SARKANAIS ĒRGLIS, arī man nevieš nekādas draudzīgās jūtas.. tāpēc redzu viņu labāk ejam nekā nākam..
I really hope you would stay and continue your good work in eLatvia. Shame to Zemessargs.lv and other supporters of this TO. Well, making a new ULSP wouldn't be so hard. People would support it and we can manage to make a contract between other party's. That in case of a TO in this party, we support one of your candidates.
We can see that to some people - RL is mixed up with the E-life, but if that is how it is, then i have only one word - retarded! We live alternative E-World where we can make things happen like we want. Then why the hell we need to mix up some Socialist party from the past in the nowadays game, ULSP didn't represent any danger to our country and our people.
Svolo4, socialism isn't such a bad political ideology. Research little deeper for true aims of the socialism. Things that happened in Latvia, were a result of terror in Soviet Union. Remember Ukraine? Millions of people suffered because of Stalin's will. They didn't obey - so they will die. That was his ideology! It worked, because people were scared to do something until the Soviet Union were so exhausted, ruined economy, that it couldn't support so many units for "scaring people".
I really hope you guys will get back on your feet and work further! I will donate some gold as soon as possible, now i have only few LVL in my pocket.
LPSR
atšifrējiet šo nosaukumu!
es, personīgi, varu iztikt bez tiem diviem vidējiem burtiem
Tas ir mans viedoklis.. kamēr netiek apdraudēta Latvijas suverenitāte, tikmēr nevienam to neuzspiežu- tikai izskaidroju neziņā esošiem ārzemniekiem- kādēļ daļai latviešu ir tāda attieksme
"Has anyone contacted the Internationale and seen if they can assist in some sort of a counter-PTO, or to put pressure on the government to lighten up on its anti-leftist stance"
This has nothing to do with the government.
Nu ja tas ir vienīgais iemesls, nosaukums, tad gaužām žēl vietējos patriotus, kuriem tā ir kā sarkana lupata. Tālāk būs jāņem vērā, ka jebkāda vārda "sociālisms" pieminēšana partijas nosaukumā tiks sodīta ar tās pārņemšanu un apsūdzībās komunismā.
Neloģiskas ir divas lietas. Pirmkārt, eRepublikā nav opciju, kas ļautu ieviest kara komunismu, kur par nepakļaušanos kādu varētu nošaut, ieslodzīt utt. Tas ir tāpat kā ar Krišjāņa izteikto kritiku par Satversmes ieviešanu, kas pēc būtības neko nedotu, jo nav represīvās opcijas. Ir protams iespējams pārņemt varu, bet kāds tur komunisms, vienkāršs TO un viss, kuru uz priekšu dzen ekonomiskās intereses, bet ideālisti paši vainīgi, ka vēl nav apdedzinājušies vai iepazinuši dzīves patiesības. Savus oponentus viņi nevar izsūtīt utt. Otrs būtu tas, ka tai partijai nebija lielas ietekmes. Cik tad viņu bija kongresā...un cik reāli viņi varēja ietekmēt situāciju valstī, ja netika pašā galvenajā valsts amatā. Ja viņu mērķis būtu varas pārņemšana, tad kas traucēja dabūt parlamentā kādus 20 biedrus, ja jau iepriekšējās vēlēšanās dažam labam pietika ar 2-3 balsīm??? Tik vien kā saorganizēties un vieta ir tava.
Tāpēc visi apvainojumi partijai ir rakstīt stilā: ja nu viņi izdarītu to vai šo, ja nu viņiem ienāktu prātā tas un tas", nu jā, vēl jau sociālisti. Tikai vajag atkal piesaukt RL, kur tik bieži piesaucam skatīties uz darbiem, ne sejām, saukļiem un izkārtnēm🙂
P.S. Zīgerists savā dzimtenē tika apvainots par uzbrukumiem čigāniem un citiem "untermenšiem". Tā kā brīnos par to, ka neatbalsti viņu, jo arī viņam ārzemnieki [svešie] izraisīja noteiktu sajūtu gammu😃
It's a shame that for some people other people are seperated into just two categories - The Latvians & The Enemys - but hey, atleast it's not like their brains are going to explode!
What VL did was totally unnecessary, and I hope you guys will get your party back.
What VL did was really ugly, and I'm ashamed that they call themselves Latvians.
It woud be wery interesting to hear from you what are the purpose and goal of being in eLV Political life.
ULSP hadn`t party programm and all that coud be found was some help that was done for eLV, and it is true that for moust latvians in RL word "socialism" asociates with foreigner`s that want to owertake Latvia.
So my recommendation for you if you come back to eLV politics is to maka a party programm where we could clearly see your goals of being here.
Kas tās par idiotisma straumēm no maitas puses? Vai kā latviski tulkojās svolo4?
Nejauc real life are eRepublik.
un vispār, sociālismam nav ne vainas, ja saki, ka ir, tad lūdzu atsakies no visiem valsts pabalstiem.
Zemgalieti, man šķiet, ka Svolo4 ļoti sakarīgi paskaidroja Nocholasam latviešu attieksmi pret komunistiem un sociālistiem. Te nav pamata kaut kādiem uzbraucieniem.
Nu jau "komunisti un sociālisti", pirms dienas bija "komunisms = sociālisms"
Reālā partija arī tik strauji maina savu nostāju jeb tu te atlaid bremzes?
Spiritualized.. burvīgs domu gājiens 🙂
Pārādi man speles noteikumos striktu punktu, kurā rakstīts- nejaukt RL ar eLife! es to gan ne īpaši daru, bet tādas gailisma izpausmes, kas man te gribēs noteikt ko man darīt un ko- ne, pamodina principa jautajumu 🙂
Es personīgi nesaņemu nekādu valsts pabalstu ne te, ne RL, bet savukārt tu, kā sociālisma piekritējs vnk AIZMIRSTI domu par biznesu, AIZMIRSTI domu par kapitālu, saglabā naudu sev tik daudz, cik vajadzīgs lai nopirktu vienu klaipu maizes.. gl! 😃
HEY WERE AM I IN THE STORY 😃
If you dont understand i can explain that !
All my votes took Zemesargs.lv - but i think its better 🙂
But you didnt have so much votes to protect from any TO !
Šajā gadījumā "Svolo4" ir taisnība.
@plumz
It was small things and unnecessarily stressful problems like this very TO which stopped us from producing a solid party platform. The platform was being formed, and needed someone to type it out in Latvian for the Latvian people to read, however then my vacation came, and it was never finished.
Ljoti nesmuki no VL puses. Kameer es piekriitu, ka aarzemniekiem nevajadzeetu jaukties eLatvijas politikaa, un man nav saprotams kaadas motivaacijas vadiiti vinji to vispaar dara, es uzskatu, ka pie jebkura radikaala leemuma ir jaanonaak demokraatiskaa celjaa, nevis netiiriem, manipulatiiviem trikiem un meliem - ja tauta uzskata, ka vajag zviedru vadiitu sociaalistu partiju - bet luudzu. Ar shaadu gaajienu tiek panaakta tikai liidzjuutiiba pret cieteejiem un nicinaajums pret zadzeejiem.
-- English translation in case anyone's intereste😛
A very unethical move by "Visu Latvijai". While I would agree that foreigners have no place in the eLatvian polical scene, and I cannot even understand why would they even want to be involved, I believe that any radical decision or change must be made in a democratic way and not by cheap, manipulative tricks and lies. If the people think that eLatvia needs a Swedish-run socialist party, then it should. Such a move by "Visu Latvijai" accomplishes nothing but sympathy for the victims and provokes contempt and disdain for the thieves.
Okay, seems like I've missed some political discussions.
First, I can understand Svolo4's first post, that truly made sence. To answer to that, I tell you that we are far from communism. Here in Sweden, as I am from indeed, our biggest Party is the SocialDemokraterna (Socialistic Democrats), who has a Socialistic politic, but still far from Communism. There are many big differences there.
I guess that aswer is good for the other posts aswell, but as I said, there is HUGE difference between our Socialism and Leninism.
Oh, and we do not got any connection to the IRL LSP, I didn't even know they existed. Please people, you cannot draw lines between us and them🙂
Well, peace out everybody, and thanks for voting me up to 5😇
I'm very sorry for your misery Mushmoon.
And I'm not going to even read the posts because wast majority has no clue what socialism and communism is and after all, what's the difference.
Even though I'm strong supporter for capitalism ideas, I believe idea of socialist party is superb, even more because I know how well it works in Sweden in RL.
Take care,
Robert
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VOTE THIS UP!
So everybody who isn't socialist (by your measure) is Right wing extremist? This view reminds me some totalitarian countries and their leaders.
If socialists in Socialist party are minority, that is not Socialist party anymore, keep in mind. That happened this time. Or you are sorry for lost positions?
"Zemgalieti, man šķiet, ka Svolo4 ļoti sakarīgi paskaidroja Nocholasam latviešu attieksmi pret komunistiem un sociālistiem. Te nav pamata kaut kādiem uzbraucieniem."
manuprāt zemesargiem tomēr derētu pastudēt politikas teoriju, un pēc braukt augumā kurš un ko definē vai nedefinē pareizi vai nepareizi. un vispār - komunisms tiešām bija PSRS (ne velti vadošai partija piekabināja Komunistiskā, ta nu tā tiem, kas te ūdeni lej ap un par). Sociālismu raksturo diezgan radikali atšķirīga pieeja daudzām lietām. TAGAD RAKSTĪŠU LIELIEM BURTIEM, LAI TIE, KURI TE TĒLO BAIGOS GUDRĪŠUS POLITIKĀ SAPROTAM PĀRIS ELEMENTĀRAS LIETAS (ĪPAŠI ZEMEESARGAM UN TAMLĪDZĪGIEM FRUKTIEM) - JEBKURA PARTIJA AGRI VAI VĒLU KĻUST CENTRISKA NEATKARĪGI NO TĀS VĒLĒŠANU LOZUNGIEM, TĀPĒC KA RADIKĀLISMS NOVED VĒL LIELĀKĀ RADIKĀLISMĀ (skat. vēsturi Rietumeiropā). TĀPĒC APGALVOJU, KA PĒC IEVĒLĒŠANAS vl SAVĀ REĀLAJĀ DARBĪBĀ (ja tā tiešām centīsies ko darīt eLatvijas labā, par ko ļoti šaubos)BŪS SPIESTA IEVĒROT PRAGMATISKUS UN LIETISĶUS RISINĀJUMUS PROBLĒMĀM, KAS RODAS KATRU DIENU, NEVIS TIKAI UZ VĒLĒŠANĀM. LIDZ AR TO TIE VISI vl LOZUNGI UN SOLĪJUMI IR TĪRAIS BLEFS UN NEKAS VAIRĀK.