The Real Russian Relationship
ResouIa
I need to talk about something I have been holding in for months. I've tried to be friendly. I've given Russia the benefit of ignoring every hostile action for many months, but I am tired of it. I have a statement grown from personal experience to make. A statement that I will then go on to show you how it was grown, and how unbelievably tiring it has made me to try to stay friendly.
Russia, you are currently the worst ally ever.
Yeah. And before I get started on telling the eWorld just why Russia is currently the worst ally ever, I'd like to put the definition of what an alliance is up here for reference.
Alliance: a union between people, groups, countries, etc. : a relationship in which people agree to work together
Spoiler alert: Russia doesn't fit that definition and it hasn't for a very long time. It was a great one when Pacifica was formed, but after that leadership was gone they turned into what they are. The worst ally in the entire eWorld.
And here's the TL
😉R version: Russia is a bad ally. They've worked against USA and Pacifica for too long. All the hows, whys, and any screenshots I've kept are in the non TL
😉R version. I want Russian-USA relations to be mended, but until Russia stops trying to weaken USA and Pacifica, this can never happen. Skip to the last section to see my Letter to Russia.
Let me go as far back as I can to start. Once upon a time USA was invaded by Bulgaria, FYROM, and Chile. I was one of the two active NSC Chairmen in charge of organizing our defense. I took the country's FA in this matter into my own hands and reached out to our allies. Pacifica was very supportive and sent us plenty of help. Except for Russia that is. After ignoring me for three days, the administration finally got back to me telling me that they would not help fight against their ally of whom they meant Bulgaria. Ironically, when you looked at the orders and the battlefield, everything showed Russians helping Bulgaria. That was the day I learned I couldn't trust Russia to help their allies. That was the day they turned on Pacifica, the alliance they helped found, and sided with Bulgaria instead.
There was a lot more crap during the period after that and before my next example, but nothing nearly as bad as fighting against USA and Pacifica while they dared to hold a founder position. What happened afterwards was mainly just Russia ignoring their allies, refusing to work together, and doing things that are generally not what Pacifica wants, without consulting Pacifica first. I will be skipping ahead to the incident with Georgia.
After a turn of events, eUSA wished to sign an MPP with Georgia to fill in some damage to our lower divisions. Instead of explaining this, I will show you how these negotiations went.
We didn't receive a direct reply. We were just told to go talk to Nimnul, and anyone who was ever worked in eUSA FA with Russia over the past year knows that talks with him go nowhere fast.
Personally, I enjoy the above response up to a point. It was the most diplomatic I have ever seen Nimnul act. But if you know anything about Nimnul, it’s that he refuses to answer a straightforward question. (At least with the truth.)
I love that part. He said Bulgaria would never dare attack the USA or they'd lose the Russian MPP. However, they did attack us and Russia refused to help us, and Nimnul wanted us to believe that this russian administration would pick us over them when they already put them before us. I'd love to know what the Russian dictionary says an "ally" is, because Nimnul acts the enemy better than Bulgaria themselves. In the picture you can also see him threaten the status of the Russian-USA friendship if we took the Georgian MPP. I find that hysterical. He threatened the friendship that he himself has worked consistently to dismantle. His attempts at manipulation failed, obviously. Let's move on. He didn't reply for a bit, the MPP was proposed, and his FA came back to us.
So after refusing to answer our straightforward questions they responded only with "Georgia is our enemy" (A country with whom they hadn’t had hostilities with for over a year). Then they had the gall to lie to our faces about our own words.
Hear that? Apparently in their fantasy world no one asked them about the MPP with BG. USA never disputed it. Well let’s see what our FA from that time thinks about that.
Oh wait, we DID ask them. It's almost as if they took their fantasies and tried to replace reality with them. Oh wait, they do that all the time. They’re a big fan of that tactic recently, which is what we will talk about next.
Now let's start talking about more recent events. Russia’s administration has for a few months now been running a campaign of libel and mudslinging against eUSA. They have been spreading lies about us and trying to turn our allies against us. And for months we have sat around and taken it sitting down. In the interests of keeping relations between "allies" high we took their libel and looked only to keep relations high, but no longer. Here's one example of lies that Russia has spread about eUSA.
Hear that? We "intentionally" spoiled relations with BG. I guess we asked them to invade us. We wanted to spend a ton of cash kicking them, FYROM, and Chile out. It was all a conspiracy. Yeah try again Nimnul. In fact, let's look at something that was written very recently at of the time of writing this.
So us attacking FYROM, a country that has shown extreme hostility to Pacifica, is "fighting against Russia". Us attacking someone that invaded us, who every last member except Russia aided us in fighting against, is "fighting against Russia". We and the rest of Pacifica, whose members have agreed to help us land (except Russia) and take the battle to the enemy is “fighting against Russia” And when i confront Nimnul with the truth, what does he do? Lie some more. He has been trying to push us out of Pacifica for months, and I am sick of it. Pacifica is a great alliance, one we are proud to be a part of and proud to work along side of. Nimnul, you need to STOP trying to ruin that alliance.
There's more on that article too. Some random Russian trying to call USA out for not helping Latvia, meanwhile we offered to AS Lithuania for Latvia and have sent them our damage ever since the war started. Check the DoD orders, the proof is there.
Russia has even begun working against Latvia in their war with Lithuania. Their hatred of Pacifica is no longer limited to us. They have undergone several plans without consulting anyone in Pacifica that have heavily worked against Latvia. I haven't gotten the honor of working with any of the new Pacifica members (Poland/Hungary), but out of all the old members I worked with during my time in NSC, Latvia was always my favorite. And to see Russia slowly begin treating them as they threat us sickens me.
I miss the times when our countries got along. I miss when Pacifica was founded and Russia acted like a true ally, but then Nimnul showed up. Russia began putting itself before anyone else. They've worked against Pacifica at many turns. You should see the alliance meetings. Even if we agree with Russia they decide to suddenly word the agreed upon statement differently and argue that their wording is much better and that our wording is somehow the opposite when they only changed two minor words. (I have logs of this if anyone wants to see, but I figured this article was long enough. I will include an example of this if it is requested.)
Russia, I want to get along with you. I want Pacifica to be united. But as long as your administration opposes eUSA, as long as it oppose Pacifica, and as long as it continues spreading lies and trying to sabotage relations? We will never be friends. If your administration want to be the enemy so badly then it has chosen the wrong alliance. Pacifica stands strong as friends. We always have and we always will. Nimnul is never going to change that, no matter how hard he tries.
What is required for relations between USA and Russia to be mended is for the Russian leadership to embrace a friendlier approach. Russia needs to stop their campaigns of libel refocus their effort into changing themselves domestically. They need to decide where their loyalties truly lie, and stop treating their allies like the enemy.
I have waited three months to reveal the truth. I have sat back and acted diplomatically passive. But someone had to finally speak out. Change is required, or else these tensions are only going to make things worse. I hope Russia’s leadership can see the wisdom in preventing any further selfish acts against eUSA and Pacifica. If it doesn’t stop soon then I fear the damage may be irreparable.
Lastly, I have a final note to Nimnul. I assume you will deny everything in this article (even the things where i have provided proof) and I assume you will try to paint me a “liar”. Every time I have confronted you with the truth you have done just that. I don’t know if you fear the truth or just want to write history yourself, but either way I want you to know something very important. Your manipulative actions do nothing but weaken Pacifica. I hope you will realize this sooner rather than later. Please do not ruin a friendship between countries due to your disdain for individuals in mine. Be reasonable and let’s begin restoring relations back to a place where USA and Russia will be proud to call each other allies.
Hail Pacifica o7
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Why can't you just be cool, Russia?
The Real Russian Relationship
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When a country has to continually monitor an "ally's" media to troll and push a narrative, you can tell they're full of crap.
Next month when I'm CP imma just airstrike the Ruskies.
Huh. Some good food for thought.
A genuine question for you. When Pacifica was founded, what was the status of US-Bulgarian relations?
Someone who was more active at the time can give a better answer than me, but i checked the wiki to confirm my mental timeline, and based on it, I believe US-Bulgarian relations were neutral/leaning towards negative.
We were allies in CoT, however on numerous occasions when we needed Bulgarian support, they were nowhere to be found (shocker right?) During our summer wipe of 2014 for instance, I had to yell at several Bulgarians in the CoT room to get us higher up on the prio list, because they were more interested in their dumb Balkan wars then helping us get unwiped.
It used to be one shitty ally who didn't help you at all.
Now it's another shitty ally who don't help you at all.
Seems like the problem is not with your allies but in US FA itself.
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I aim to please.
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Hm. From what I can read here, it seemed to me like they said "No" pretty early on in that conversation. Whether they gave a legitimate reason other than "Georgia is our enemy", well I think that's open for debate. Also, they certainly didn't acknowledge the BG counterargument.
Perhaps a period of cooling down would avoid tensions. I can understand that frustrations are high, but instead of inflaming tensions by posting comments on Russian media, and engaging arguments throughout media, we can let tensions cool and relook at the situation in a week or two?
Tom, you thought ASing to help allies was "ASing to AS". Now you think them posting on our media is us posting on their media.
Tom, a period of "cooling down" has been going on for months, but there has been no cooling down, only escalation.
Tom. Please. Ask questions. Don't assume.
I would suggest removing the above content, as it reflects comments I made in private Congress.
It's fine tom XD a 9 character paraphrase of an opinion isn't going to get anyone in trouble unless it includes sekrit numbers.
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No American government member has, at any point, wrote articles in Russian media or engaged in comment wars in Russian media. Russians on the other hand have repeatedly tried to mess in our media narrative.
Understood, then I'll gladly rescind my earlier comment above.
Best comment. Hahaha, at least they know where we're from now.
Looks pretty spot on to me.
Honestly, this whole situation has nothing to do with The USA - Russia relationship. The only reason why it's all going that crappy way is personal tensions between nimnul and Wild Owl. They have their unresolved issues, fears, hatred toward some nations without a solid reason and that affects us all.
Except my country under my leadership was always there for Russia when it was attacked, regardless of who attacked. The favor was not returned when it was our turn to ask for help. And only one of us has engaged in a campaign of mudslinging in US media (Russia) to unsuccessfully turn USA against its current allies and me.
I'm not going to deny that or agree with that. It's been discussed so many times that I'm sick of it. My point is that nobody's perfect or infallible, everybody makes mistakes... except you and nimnul, of course. You guys are playing your own ego-boosting games, blaming each other on disloyalty. Mother Russia and Father America are about to get divorced and we, your little children, have to watch you fight in propaganda wars and which is even worse - take sides. That's just disgusting.
Nice attempt to make it sound like another me vs nimnul thing.
And how thankless, refusing to "admit or deny" our undeniable help. That's why we moved on from you.
I have read some shit
WOW!
OPEN LETTER TO NIMNUL!
I am flattered!
You shouldn't have started with "Russia bad ally".
The best beginning for this article could be "I miss the times when our countries got along. I miss when Pacifica was founded and Russia acted like a true ally...
but then Nimnul showed up." ahaha
Maybe you do not know that Nimnul was Russian MoFA back in 2010 when State Secretary St Krems first contacted us and suggested to move from confrontation to cooperation. Soon Terra was created and it was one of the best alliances in our history. Nimnul was CP/MoFA when USA left Terra in 2012 and contributed to maintaining friendly relations with USA during their attempt to create CTRL and further.
Nimnul was Russian CP when we joined CoT few months after USA. Nimnul stood for maintaining relations with USA when CoT was dissolved and USA joined Sirius. Nimnul was MoFA when USA was kicked from Sirius and your leadership came to me with an idea to join our alliance called GDR - that was how Pacifica was created. Nimnul has been a supporter of friendship with USA for more than five years. During all this time USA has been one of the most important allies for me.
And then Resoula showed up
Who are you? And why are you acting like that?
You claim that you were smb in US government in January during the Invasion and contacted Pacifica. I was CP of Russia that month and I do not know you. We worked hard with president Azazel to _prevent_ that very attack and when we failed I was the one who put the order to fight FOR USA with full strength in spite that we had to oppose our another important ally - Bulgaria. And even though I am still sure it was the right decision in the given circumstances, after reading such articles and especially considering your actions, some doubts arise.
P.S.
I would like to remind you, boy, that publication of a private correspondence of other persons is a mauvais ton. In the first years of erepublik you could even get punished by admins for such actions, but now nobody cares.
For me this means that from now on I cannot trust any american politician even in private conversations. As a result I have to suspend all diplomatic contacts with you
I am really sorry that the quality of the US leadership has deteriorated so sharply since the good old times, but that's a common problem for many countries. To make matters worse I have lost any hope that anything would change for the good.
Maybe I will publish a more detailed answer (because it's necessary to debunk all that crappy propaganda), maybe not (because I have almost lost any faith in the American people and therefore I think the effort is futile)
Good thing nobody really wanted to talk to you anyway.
Publish it. It's appreciated to have both ends of the spectrum. Prove the statements you just made. Show that you fought for the U.S.
p.s. i didn't read any of this and have no plans on it. Others have told me it's just your typical lies and narrative injecting like your other comments, so I wouldn't be missing much.
You just have nothing to object.
I don't think anyone, yourself included, can attack my credentials when it comes to the era you're talking about, and I'll say this:
Working with Russia was always difficult, if only because communication was difficult. I'm not talking 'you have to download an entirely new program to talk to China' bad, or 'Ukraine only talks over Skype' bad, but still difficult. Getting support almost always included a quid pro quo, and at times I would just not ask because only Finland was more adamant in demanding high priority placement on the orders tracker when there were multiple engagements at the same time.
I (for the most part) enjoyed the Russian leaders I worked with, so please don't construe this as an attack. The simple fact is that when the USA requested aid in a war from Russia, Russia wasn't there. Why weren't they there? I can't say, because I'm not President of Russia. What can be said is that one of the countries attacking the USA had an MPP with Russia both before and after the attack in question. An MPP they hold to this day.
That is questionable treatment by an 'ally'. I do not believe that point can be logically refuted.
Lol, repeatedly referring to yourself in the third person is pretty hilarious. You could just say "When I was...", it would make you sound far less pompous.
You should know Pfeiffer better than that by now!
he's talking about nimnul, who refers to himself as Nimnul was this and Nimnul was that.... as opposed to pfeiffer who says I... which makes nimnul a bigger asshole than pfeiffer....
We NE-ed them they say, but they never say that (Bulgaria-Russia) fooled us when we were added in that game and two countries invaded us and offered "Super-Puper NAP-PLAN", that's why lately we NE-ed you, cause you lied, that was long ago tho, we thought that our relations are neutral, but now i see.
This leaked conversation was before resource wars
Last time our countries fought against each other 2 years ago on the Christmas, so even before resource wars we were not considering you as an Enemy, and we thought that you shared our behavior, cause couple of NE laws against us always were rejected by majority of congressmens.
Welcome to the world of Nimnul. He is a snake. Keep him at arms length at all times if you want to make sure he can't bite you.
what is sad, is before all this when Russia was attacked we supported them with lots of damage. I remember multiple times doing 1 billion plus damage in battles for Russia. We helped un wipe them at least 2 times.
And we are very thankful to all Americans for that
and of course to you personally
We do remember the good
I may not be happy about Russia fighting against the US now, but I feel betrayed about Russia’s actions during the attack on eUS soil by Chile, FRYOM, and Bulgaria. When Russia was attacked I (and other eUS players) fought hard for Russia, but when the eUS is attacked Russia fights against us? That is not the actions of an ally.
When eUSA was attacked we were fighting for eUSA.
Please don't trust crappy propaganda
About now.
I am sorry that some of our players act like that. But that's the natural consequence of all that crap, which WO, Resoula and Orikfricai produce
They are quite good in provocations but weak in real help.
Lol you lie way too much. It's pathetic.
"And then Nimnul showed up" - that actually made me laugh. I think he "showed up" before I was effing born.
Two more remarks:
1. "Bulgaria would not attack, and then they attacked - that's a clear lie, those talks were after they attacked you, not before. To renew MPP with Russia BG had to agree not to attack USA or other Pacifica members. And you are posting that "proof" with no date on it... smells fishy.
2. eUSA interests are not equal to interests of Pacifica. I know you would like to think of them that way, but no, they aren't.
1. A lie? I never said "before" or "after". Is it a common trait of russians to inject their own narrative?
2. Never said they were. Again, the injecting your own narrative thing. That just come naturally over there or what?
You're making too many assumptions. That is an ignorant thing to do. Ask questions if you do not know the answer. Do not make things in place of information you lack.
1. "He said Bulgaria would never dare attack the USA or they'd lose the Russian MPP."
"However, they did attack us"
So, Resoula, did they attack you before or after you had this talk?
2. "They've worked against USA and Pacifica for too long.", "trying to weaken USA and Pacifica", "fighting against USA and Pacifica", "selfish acts against eUSA and Pacifica". Right, you never said it, lol.
1. Before. Hence this sentence. "would pick us over them when they already put them before us. "
Sorry, I am tired. Should have double checked. I did say "Before". But you did accuse me of saying "after" so i guess that doesn't really matter.
2. That is right I didn't. How you interpret my words in your own defensive mentality is your problem, not mine. Your interpretation does not change the facts of what I have said. Had you been attending alliance meetings over the past year, you would understand. Had you interacted with your government from a foreign viewpoint, you'd understand. eUSA stands with Pacifica's interests and always makes sure to confirm that none of our actions stray from that. Pacifica's interests are not always ours, but we refuse to be the anti of Pacifica's interests as your country has been recently. We do not stand for our allies, but we do stand with them.